Q&A Who Is Diego Umejuarez? - Ryu Q&A Thread

[Ninjaman1350]

Hello!
I've been away from my WiiU for the past 9 or so months while I was in college. As I just came home, I've pretty much had to relearn a main. So I've decided to main (you guessed it) Ryu!
Now I was a C.Falc main a year ago with Lucina as a secondary. And I've been struggling making a traction from C.Falc (an aerial fighter) to Ryu.
My question is: Is there a correct/optimal way to play as Ryu? Is he an aerial fighter, or more grounded? And are there any tips for the Corrin matchup?
Thanks! Stay classy.

 

[earla]

how effective is focus attack to get out of bayo combos?

what DI do you generally use for ryu to escape bayo combos?

 

[Megamang]

Its ok, but if they are true combos you aren't getting out.

There was a GIF/Oddshot floating around of Tyroy, Dabuz, and ESAM figuring out how to avoid the ladder to heaven. I'd suggest you wait a little to know what may be optimal.

As of right now, I SDI towards her and in when I have low damage, away and down at high damage, and always away and down for divekicks. But the new idea seems to be enough SDI up can let you avoid the final uair finisher. This may be difficult for Ryu, as he is huge and rather heavy.

 

[PokemonyeWest]

how effective is focus attack to get out of bayo combos?

what DI do you generally use for ryu to escape bayo combos?

>That feel when Bayonetta nerfs

:-D

 

[HoSmash4]

Hi can anyone explain how and when kill confirming utilt/dtilt to TSRK works? I feel like kill confirming it is unreactable for me. Can I react in time to do the TSRK?

 

[Emblem Lord]

Utilt you can do one and just react.

Dtilt you will need at least 2.

So if dtilt with just one hit alludes you, don't sweat it. It's not you.

 

[ForetoldWaffle]

How do you input standing True Shoryuken?

 

[HoSmash4]

When should I use Hadouken rather than shakunetsu hadouken?

 

[Zakhara]

When should I use Hadouken rather than shakunetsu hadouken?

Apologies for the tardiness, but maybe I can be of service.

Shakunetsu translated into the SSB system strangely. It's basically like ST (in that there's no restriction on its use), but it's likely dealing more damage. Much like ST, the only thing holding it back is the input--except here, you have to turn around if you're not doing it from the air. Sometimes a faster input is just that.

Is it true that SSB has stricter priorities on projectile interaction? If Shakunetsu has different durability or hitboxes from a standard Hadouken, that'd be reason to consider one over another too.

 

[Z1GMA]

Any way to garantuee mid-level specials, other than holding the buttons for the precise time?

 

[ForetoldWaffle]

What is the timing for neutral jab 1 to True Tatsu/True Shoryuken?

 

[Emblem Lord]

Instantly. Soon as jab hits you need to cancel. Its about a 2 frame window.

 

[Z1GMA]

What is the timing for neutral jab 1 to True Tatsu/True Shoryuken?

Like Emblem Lord said.

Also, additional info: You can start the TS input even before the jab has actually connected.
It may not sound as much of a helpful advice at first glance, but the mindset of doing it it this way helps a lot.
You'll buffer a TS easy as pie.

 

[Emblem Lord]

Also to answer your question before about medium specials. There really is no special method besides just knowing the timing and grinding it out.

 

[ForetoldWaffle]

I have a question about the third method of True Shoryuken as seen in MSC's Ryu video. What is the timing for that method; I'm having trouble doing it and I really need to know this method.

 

[EternalFlare]

Apologies for the tardiness, but maybe I can be of service.

Shakunetsu translated into the SSB system strangely. It's basically like ST (in that there's no restriction on its use), but it's likely dealing more damage. Much like ST, the only thing holding it back is the input--except here, you have to turn around if you're not doing it from the air. Sometimes a faster input is just that.

Is it true that SSB has stricter priorities on projectile interaction? If Shakunetsu has different durability or hitboxes from a standard Hadouken, that'd be reason to consider one over another too.

At max range Hadoken deals more damage than Shaku. Shaku only does 1 percent at max range, Hadoken still deals full damage. So at max range Hadoken is probably better.

How do you input standing True Shoryuken?

I'd like to know as well if there's a way to do this instantly while standing. So no crouching, walking or dashing first. AFAIK this is impossible unless you buffer it out of a previous action.

I have a few questions myself:

1. How reliable is ledge trump bair for Ryu? Is it true or can they air dodge out? Either way it seems like a solid mixup to me if they aren't buffering ledge options as it kills fairly early.

2. I've noticed soft hit nair at higher percents starts popping the opponent up instead of just sliding them across stage. Is this also effected by rage? If Ryu has more rage, will it start popping them up earlier?

3. How safe is nair in general on block? Can they attack before you down tilt if they don't powershield?

4. How much advantage does focus attack on block grant if any? Would focus on block, dash forward, downtilt be a true blockstring if timed properly?

5. What purpose does Ryu's jab serve? It seems downtilt and up tilt are better in every way. I know jab 1 - SRK works but it also works with downtilt which is safer to throw out (as it chains into more downtilts) and also hit confirmable (with 2 downtilts).

6. How much shield damage does hard uptilt - TSRK do? I think it might a great setup versus even a slightly used shield as you can buffer the TSRK within the hard up tilt (option select), and then it will only come out if you actually land it.

7. Does hard regular (non-true) SRK have startup invincibility? Or only TSRK?

 

[Zakhara]

At max range Hadoken deals more damage than Shaku. Shaku only does 1 percent at max range, Hadoken still deals full damage. So at max range Hadoken is probably better.

Ah, thanks for the clarification. It doesn't do that in SF.

I'd like to know as well if there's a way to do this instantly while standing. So no crouching, walking or dashing first. AFAIK this is impossible unless you buffer it out of a previous action.

TL;DR do it faster. Done efficiently, you'll enter 623A fast enough that Ryu barely starts crouching as you input 3+A. Same way as in SF. Much like in SF, however, there are certain benefits to a DP from crouch.

How much advantage does focus attack on block grant if any? Would focus on block, dash forward, downtilt be a true blockstring if timed properly?

In SFIV it's dependent on the charge (and the speed of a character's FADC). Smash Bros. isn't so favourable when it comes to advantage, so I can't really say.

What purpose does Ryu's jab serve? It seems downtilt and up tilt are better in every way. I know jab 1 - SRK works but it also works with downtilt which is safer to throw out (as it chains into more downtilts) and also hit confirmable (with 2 downtilts).

Jabs are suitable for low-angle anti-airs from a modest distance--not unlike how King of Fighters uses them. Not the common usage, but it's there.

 

[JustSomeScrub]

What are Ryu's worst matchups?

 

[EternalFlare]

Ah, thanks for the clarification. It doesn't do that in SF.


TL;DR do it faster. Done efficiently, you'll enter 623A fast enough that Ryu barely starts crouching as you input 3+A. Same way as in SF. Much like in SF, however, there are certain benefits to a DP from crouch.


In SFIV it's dependent on the charge (and the speed of a character's FADC). Smash Bros. isn't so favourable when it comes to advantage, so I can't really say.


Jabs are suitable for low-angle anti-airs from a modest distance--not unlike how King of Fighters uses them. Not the common usage, but it's there.

I actually played SF4 quite a bit so I'm aware of most of those things. I think most level 2 focus attacks in SF4 were negative.

I'm impressed by how accurate Ryu is in this game though I kind of wish he had a meter system as well. Though he's already arguably one of the best characters, with things like a super with 4 bars and FADCs with two bars he might become way too good.

I forgot about using jabs as anti-airs which also works in SF. I guess it's less commitment then an SRK. However the move will never kill whereas hard utilt will eventually start killing so I think that's a better option for a fast standing AA.

Edit:

Are there any recent, good Ryu guides new players should watch? Preferably recent ones.

 

[Megamang]

What are Ryu's worst matchups?

Megaman, Shiek?, Villager?

 

[C0rvus]

Trying to get into Ryu. The neutral has me a bit lost. I doing a fair amount of walking, poking with fire balls, sometimes spaces bairs but I know jumping as Ryu isn't great. I suppose my question is which player or players should I study the neutral from? Who has a strong grasp of it?

 

[Emblem Lord]

Spacing with SH bairs is NOT the same as doing a FULL STAGE run in and jump with a soft hit nair. What you are doing is fine.

No Ryu has fully grasped his neutral.

Good luck. ha.

 

[EternalFlare]

At max range Hadoken deals more damage than Shaku. Shaku only does 1 percent at max range, Hadoken still deals full damage. So at max range Hadoken is probably better.



I'd like to know as well if there's a way to do this instantly while standing. So no crouching, walking or dashing first. AFAIK this is impossible unless you buffer it out of a previous action.

I have a few questions myself:

1. How reliable is ledge trump bair for Ryu? Is it true or can they air dodge out? Either way it seems like a solid mixup to me if they aren't buffering ledge options as it kills fairly early.

2. I've noticed soft hit nair at higher percents starts popping the opponent up instead of just sliding them across stage. Is this also effected by rage? If Ryu has more rage, will it start popping them up earlier?

4. How much advantage does focus attack on block grant if any? Would focus on block, dash forward, downtilt be a true blockstring if timed properly?

6. How much shield damage does hard uptilt - TSRK do? I think it might a great setup versus even a slightly used shield as you can buffer the TSRK within the hard up tilt (option select), and then it will only come out if you actually land it.

7. Does hard regular (non-true) SRK have startup invincibility? Or only TSRK?

I'm still looking for answers to these particular questions. If anyone can answer them it'd be much appreciated.

 

[ForetoldWaffle]

I am having a little bit of trouble with the Corrin MU. How do I get through and punish the back-airs when Corrin's back-air pushes him/her back?

 

[luke_atyeo]

hey dudes, I'm trying to collect a bunch of quick easy info graphics on essential character knowledge to make a quick reference guide for commentators (we all hate it when a commentator says something that is wrong)
This shulk thing here is an example of the kinda stuff I am looking for

I'm going around to all the character boards and it'll be a little messy for me to try and check them all, so if you have any cool things like that, or just some useful info that I could turn into a similar picture, please send me a message. Cheers lads.

 

[tyro8]

Yo i dunno if this question has already been asked but can ryu u tilt and d tilt combos ne SDIed? Ex: the u tilt x3 nair combo or light d tilt x3 strong d tilt to true tatsu or the u tilt to shoryu combo be SDIed????

 

[Emblem Lord]

Yes of course they can be.

 

[tyro8]

Including the U tilt to shoryu with only one light u tilt?

 

[Emblem Lord]

If they know they are going to be hit yes they can SDI it.

 

[tyro8]

If they know they are going to be hit yes they can SDI it.

Thnkz for the response, and at which direction do they have to sdi to escape it?

 

[ForetoldWaffle]

What is the best way to approach characters that have disjointed hitboxes like Corrin? And also, I'm having trouble performing down/neutral/up tilt to TSK to the left. What is the best way to be more consistent when performing this to the left?

 

[Z1GMA]

Any advice on how to edgeguard a recovering zss?

 

[Katyria]

I just started playing Ryu recently and have always had smash attack on c stick. I was wondering if people consider it mandatory to play with attack on the c stick?

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

What is the best way to approach characters that have disjointed hitboxes like Corrin? And also, I'm having trouble performing down/neutral/up tilt to TSK to the left. What is the best way to be more consistent when performing this to the left?

Sorry for the late reply.
Don't approach. Bait. Baiting them towards you, if you can, with hadokens and shakanetsus is the best way to keep them from mauling you in neutral. Other than that you can attempt to approach with quick dashes and focus dashes. Not recommended though.

Practice. It's easiest to do it from U-tilt but it's also easy from D-tilt. F-tilt is a bit more tricky. However, if you're using true Shoryuken with B. Don't. Get in the habit of using A. This way you can combo directly into the TS without having to even move your thumb. So, do the tilts and then when you're going to True Shoryuken input NOT . If you're just asking about the frames, well, it's all in the timing.

Any advice on how to edgeguard a recovering zss?

Again, sorry for the late reply.
Zero Suit is a tough one. Obviously, pressuring with Hadokens works for mid recovery. Ryu's F-air is a little disjointed too, so that's good for high recovery. Low recovery is basically impossible. Ledge recovery is simply D-smash and D-tilts.

I just started playing Ryu recently and have always had smash attack on c stick. I was wondering if people consider it mandatory to play with attack on the c stick?

No. I never play with attack on I always have Smash. Having attack on helps with True Shoryuken Combos but it is far from mandatory. Just depends on your preference.

 

[Labernash]

Hey Ryu's! Just wondering, what characters does Ryu actually struggle against? Any at all? Or does he just have easy contending MUs against everyone?
I found an older MU chart of the whole cast and it said Ryu had like 8 losing MUs. Not sure if I agree, but you tell me.

Struggling to find any decent MU for any character really haha

 

[Krysco]

As someone who enjoys using Melee Falco (and to a point Brawl Falco) is Ryu a good choice for a viable replacement for that kind of playstyle since Sm4sh Falco is pretty bad? Main thing in particular that I'm wondering is if Hadoukens can be used in anyway to force reactions or make the opponent go into an unfavourable position. They have an faf of 58 which is just under a full second and I know they're nowhere as powerful as shac lasers from Melee and Brawl but at the same time, there is 6 different variants of the move (b input tapped, b input held, manual input tapped and held and the red ones tapped and held). Originally didn't give Ryu any consideration since I wasn't a fan of his manual inputs but recently I picked up Ultra SFIV so I'm getting more used to and comfortable with SF inputs. If Ryu isn't too close of a playstyle to the old Falco, I'll probably just stick to focusing on Mewtwo since Shadow Balls do a decent enough job of what I want a projectile to do.

 

[Ulevo]

Could someone tell me what the rehit rate is on light up tilt if the move is spammed?

 

[Emblem Lord]

Can you re-word that? I think I know what you mean, but I want further clarification.

Seems you want to know about diminishing hitstun when the move is decayed?

 

[d3adlykansas]

Any advice on how to edgeguard a recovering zss?

the best advice i could give is down tilt right next to urge unless u see her or read her jumping then do up tilt into down air combo

 

[TomatoParty]

Im having trouble with the match up for ryu, is it a bad matchup or am I just playing against him wrong