Who else is nervous about Brawl potentially sucking?

[Red Exodus]

Well at least the games are good, otherwise the CC wouldn't be worth it. I hope they make the CC optional in more games, you have to admit, the wiimote + nuchuka won't work with every game, motion sensing or not, it looks great for FPS' but what about RPGs and RTS' [then again it might work better for RTS']?

It might actually make developers think before making other crappy game that lacks depth.

 

[Superstar]

Ahh, sorry, I've been crazy programming on a website. Doing some systems before Pkmn Diamond/Pearl comes out.

I think a Wii-more+Nunchuk would work fine, although I would hate to play that way. Just use the buttons, have motion sensing disabled, buttons do exist on the Wii-Mote and Nunchuk. Like some people said, CC seems to be the biggest possibility. I just hope you can use GC controllers as well.

Oh, Dylan, I should play more often. I have been programming, so I couldn't really play. We need a rematch. I remember how I owned you most of the time. I don't really play much anymore, you'll see that winning too much gets... boring.

 

[Mr.GAW]

Wiimotes are built for motion sensing. There isn't going to be motion sensing in Brawl so it would be pointless to use a controller built around motion sensing for a game that doesn't support it.

This really doesn’t make any sense. The Wiimotes work fine as a regular controller as well. Just because Brawl doesn’t support motion sensing doesn’t mean that the Wiimote shouldn’t be used, especially when it has the necessary buttons.

I hate to admit it but wiimotes will probably be the default controllers for Brawl, GCN controller support is probable and CC is a big maybe.

More like, CC will probably will be the default controllers for Brawl, Wiimote+Chuck support is probable, and GC is a small maybe.

GC controllers will probably be supported. Wii remotes will more then likely be supported. I can almost guarentee you that the CC will be the main option for playing though. I'm not sure how anyone could draw anything but that conclusion. Explain, and we'll debate some more.

Exactly.

OFF TOPIC: Another thing that pisses me off:

Why are all of the controllers wireless? They don't even have chargers so now I'm gonna have to stock up on a bunch of batteries everytime I want to do a marathon. That is just stupid, seriously, who the hell comes up with ******** stuff like this?

http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product_id=802574

GAW, thank God. Common sense was taking a beating in here, glad to see some back-up.

I can't. It's subjective. Nintendo made a ******** error that is the Classic controller and now we have to live with it and it's ******** entirety.

You can’t because you have no reason. Also, how is the Classic Controller ********, and how does it matter that it has to connect to the Wii Remote?

.... Him again, I don't handle fanboys too well so if I disappear for a while...

Hmm…, I don’t see how it makes me a fanboy. I like Nintendo, but anybody whose seen some of my criticisms of Wii knows how bad I want a 360.

Besides, we all have a little bit of a fanboy in us, don’t we?

^^^Your Sig.

Well... alright.

I guess, in the end, it is a matter of opinion, but I think it'd be hard to disagree with the following. Here are the basic moves in a Smash Bros. game:

Jump
Sheild
Grab
Normal Attack
Special Attack

That's five different moves. Held classic style, the Wiimote only allows easy access to two or three of it's buttons (1, 2 are natural, A is a tiny bit awkward and needs you to shift your hand off the D-Pad). B is more awkward to get to than A. And for the fifth, unassigned move so far... whoops, we're out of buttons. Unless you want to move into + and - territory, which would be a horrible design choice.

Sure, you could make it so the only way to jump is by pressing up, and that'd take out one. And you could eliminate the need for a grab button by making it Sheild+Attack. It would work, on paper.

It just wouldn't be easy, fun or elegant to play. Smash Brothers is a fighting game, so it relies heavily on quick and easy button presses. Hell, even if you disagree there, nobody wants to play a game with that awkward, neutered control scheme. It would work, it just wouldn't work well.

NUNCHUCK
Anolog: Move and Jump
Z Button: Attack (A Button on GC)
C Button: Attack (B Button on GC)

WII REMOTE
D-Pad Smash Attack (Like the C-Stick on GC)
A Button: Jump
B Button (Trigger): Air Dodge/Sheild
+ (Plus) Button: Pause
- Button: Options or nothing
1 Button: Possibly enter crawling form from a crouch. Otherwise its nothing.
2 Button: Super Smash Attack. (1 Button and 2 Button controls are interchangeable)

BUTTON COMBINATIONS
B+C: Grab/Pick up Item/Catch Item/Throw Item
B+Down: Airdodge

As far as I'm concerned, this control setup would work perfectly. There would be no motion control, so that you don't have to be "waving your arms all over the place."
Wavedashing would be a fluid, almost better motion than melee. (A+B+Control Stick)
SHFFLing would be cake, quickly tap the A button for a SH, fastfall, L-Cancel with B

I have no experience with Wiis so I'm in uncharted turf here,

This says it all.

It's not fair/wise for Nintendo to force people to buy controller to play a game, no matter how good it is, it's just not fair/wise. I know it's not much money if you just buy one for yourself but if you want to play with friends who don't have Wiis you'll be looking at spending over $100.

Well, Nintendo wants to push CC sales, as that will probably boost VC profits. And Nintendo won’t FORCE us, I mean, we’ll probably have two other control schemes.

Well maybe I went overboard with the fanboy comment but I find it odd that he showed up the day the topic changed to controller options.

I’ve actually been posting in this thread since it started, but whatever. I showed up when it changed to controller discussion, because I enjoy discussing that. I feel that what I believe in concerning the controllers that will be used for Brawl is correct, and I kinda get irritated when people state other stuff that really doesn’t make any sense.

 

[Johnknight1]

GAW, thank God. Common sense was taking a beating in here, glad to see some back-up.

You haven't played with a CC, have you? Seeing doesn't count; I'm talking about holding it in your hands and playing with one. If you haven't, I can completely understand what you mean...it does look too small, looks too uncomfortable, doesn't seem like it would work.

But trust me, I have one. I LOVE it. In fact, I really wish they would make it so that GC games could be played with it, as it's, IMO, one of the best controllers ever.

It's not named 'classic controller' because of classic games. It's named that because it's classic in the sense that it's not original....it's old-school, if you will.

I am almost sure that the game will have a CC control scheme, as it is, as you guys put it, a more traditional style game. Same with Fire Emblem, which only works with the CC (I'm pretty sure. I know it doesn't work with the Wii remote, although I wish it did...it's one of those games that really needs it).

[Edit:]

AxemRed, it wouldn't be a bad thing, per se, it would just be a dumb move on Nintendo's part. That means that they'd have to continue to manufacture GC controllers for a much longer time.

And I had something else to say...but I don't remember. But pretend you've all been philosophically enlightened.

Actually I own a CC, and I like it for classic games, but games like SSB just would be hard to use it with. I like it, but I don't see it working with SSB, and I think I would rather use another controller.

The CC is more of a SNES controller with a lot more buttons, and a lot better feel, which of course is still awsome! But anyways, I would like the CC to work for SSBB, but I can't see SSBB and Nintendo relying on that and the GC controller forever with more traditionally controlled games. Nintendo will simply need another new controller for the Wii.

Also the Wiimote & Numchuck for SSBB with or without motion sensoring I still wouldn't use it. If they made it work I would prefer the GC controller anyday (or CC for that matter), and I wouldn't see many people using it. A new more tradition controller, however I could see working a lot better, and a lot more people using.

 

[Shai Hulud]

GAW, thank God. Common sense was taking a beating in here, glad to see some back-up.

You haven't played with a CC, have you? Seeing doesn't count; I'm talking about holding it in your hands and playing with one. If you haven't, I can completely understand what you mean...it does look too small, looks too uncomfortable, doesn't seem like it would work.

But trust me, I have one. I LOVE it. In fact, I really wish they would make it so that GC games could be played with it, as it's, IMO, one of the best controllers ever.

It's not named 'classic controller' because of classic games. It's named that because it's classic in the sense that it's not original....it's old-school, if you will.

I am almost sure that the game will have a CC control scheme, as it is, as you guys put it, a more traditional style game. Same with Fire Emblem, which only works with the CC (I'm pretty sure. I know it doesn't work with the Wii remote, although I wish it did...it's one of those games that really needs it).

[Edit:]

AxemRed, it wouldn't be a bad thing, per se, it would just be a dumb move on Nintendo's part. That means that they'd have to continue to manufacture GC controllers for a much longer time.

And I had something else to say...but I don't remember. But pretend you've all been philosophically enlightened.

I've held a classic controller, and while it may be great for SNES games and whatnot, it is impossible to claw given the button placements and lack of grip. Controllers with dual control sticks really need an ergonomic design. The classic controller just looks like an SNES pad with a couple sticks thrown in.

 

[Red Exodus]

First off I'd like to apologize if I came off as rude or arrogant. I don't know what happened, it's probably a side effect of my inability to express myself properly.

Well is going to be tough since I can't see what you are replying to so bare with me.

This really doesn’t make any sense. The Wiimotes work fine as a regular controller as well. Just because Brawl doesn’t support motion sensing doesn’t mean that the Wiimote shouldn’t be used, especially when it has the necessary buttons.

I don't even remember what that was in response to. If it was to someone who suggested that Brawl use that control scheme only then I stand by my statement. If it was suggested by someone who merely wants it as an option I retract my statement.

More like, CC will probably will be the default controllers for Brawl, Wiimote+Chuck support is probable, and GC is a small maybe.

Basically the same as my prediction, either way Wii's peripherals [sp?] come out on top.

http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product_id=802574

I don't trust 3rd party companies much anymore. They always seem to bite me in the ***.

You can’t because you have no reason. Also, how is the Classic Controller ********, and how does it matter that it has to connect to the Wii Remote?

Because for each CC you have to have a Wiimote, now that might not be big to you guys since wiimotes and CCs are fairly reasonable but the price down here is probbly going to be enough for a game or 2.

Also, you might have friends that have Wiis, so you don't have to worry about your friends having to share a controller, but down here not that many people are going to get Wiis because they cannot afford it or just don't want one so playing mutiplayer is going to be impossible unless someone like me provides at least 1 extra controller [which, as I said eariler, costs more than a game].

Hmm…, I don’t see how it makes me a fanboy. I like Nintendo, but anybody whose seen some of my criticisms of Wii knows how bad I want a 360.

Besides, we all have a little bit of a fanboy in us, don’t we?

^^^Your Sig.

Meh. I put those in because those are characters I like. I'd like to see them in Brawl but I'm not gonna go on a crusade and try to persuade other people.

NUNCHUCK
Anolog: Move and Jump
Z Button: Attack (A Button on GC)
C Button: Attack (B Button on GC)

WII REMOTE
D-Pad Smash Attack (Like the C-Stick on GC)
A Button: Jump
B Button (Trigger): Air Dodge/Sheild
+ (Plus) Button: Pause
- Button: Options or nothing
1 Button: Possibly enter crawling form from a crouch. Otherwise its nothing.
2 Button: Super Smash Attack. (1 Button and 2 Button controls are interchangeable)

BUTTON COMBINATIONS
B+C: Grab/Pick up Item/Catch Item/Throw Item
B+Down: Airdodge

As far as I'm concerned, this control setup would work perfectly. There would be no motion control, so that you don't have to be "waving your arms all over the place."
Wavedashing would be a fluid, almost better motion than melee. (A+B+Control Stick)
SHFFLing would be cake, quickly tap the A button for a SH, fastfall, L-Cancel with B

I have no experience with Wiis so I'm in uncharted turf here,

This says it all.

Yes it does.

Well, Nintendo wants to push CC sales, as that will probably boost VC profits. And Nintendo won’t FORCE us, I mean, we’ll probably have two other control schemes.

I hope this isn't going to be a habit from Nintendo, the other companies have much simplier set-ups and require less add-ons.

 

[Mr.GAW]

Because for each CC you have to have a Wiimote, now that might not be big to you guys since wiimotes and CCs are fairly reasonable but the price down here is probbly going to be enough for a game or 2.

Also, you might have friends that have Wiis, so you don't have to worry about your friends having to share a controller, but down here not that many people are going to get Wiis because they cannot afford it or just don't want one so playing mutiplayer is going to be impossible unless someone like me provides at least 1 extra controller [which, as I said eariler, costs more than a game].

Every 360 controller cost 40-50 dollars, correct me if I'm wrong, and PS3's controllers are similar to that as well. 10 dollars more for a Wiiremote and Nunchuck/Wiimote and CC isn't really variing that much from other companies controller prices. And remember, youi will most likely be able to use a GC controller if you so choose. Otherwise, I don't know what to tell you. Nintendo doesn't set the prices for people in Barbados. No other companies have anything similar to CC controllers. Keep in mind what the Wii would need for the CC to be wireless. Either the CC would be more expenseve to be wirless (30-40 dollars. ) Or the Wii would need a place to put the chord.

Yes it does.

If this is somehow mocking my control scheme, please tell me why you think so, so that I can prove you wrong.

 

[Red Exodus]

No lol, that was when I said [I'm too lazy to do all of the quote stuff right now]:


"I have no experience with Wiis so I'm in uncharted turf here,"

then in response you said:

"This says it all."

Then I said:

"Yes it does."

Which means my lack of comprehension of how the Wii and control scheme works is probably to blame for my misconceptions.

Anyway, I understand now, you win.

 

[Caael]

Deleted due to Missing out information.

 

[Red Exodus]

So did you need a tractor to dig up that old post? Read past page 2 before you jump to conclusions.

 

[Caael]

And yes, if wavedashing is out of Brawl, a LOTTTTTTTTT of people will NOT play it.

Ah, but you wont know it has it or not until you buy the game. And if you dont buy a game, because 1 technique is not included, thats quite sad. I dont care how bad it turns out, it's still gonna be awesome.

 

[KevinM]

WTF no if its bad a lot of people are not going to buy it.. and if they buy it and it sucks their most likely going to return it, why waste money?

 

[Caael]

WTF no if its bad a lot of people are not going to buy it.. and if they buy it and it sucks their most likely going to return it, why waste money?

Well.. you cant exactly judge a game before playing it, so yes, you would have to buy/rent/borrow it. And even if you do return it, you hardly ever get all your money back.

 

[cubaisdeath]

You guys say this as if you didn't know that Nintendo and the Smash team encountered "wavedashing" when they were doing their testing in development. They all knew about it, but they left it in because if they took it out and tried to fix it, they would have to alter the entire physics engine. Nintendo even coined it the term "superdash" but no one found out about it for a few years, and then used it in competitive play. I'm sure with 6+ years of developement they found a way around it, but really, I don't care if its in or out, the game is gonna be just as kickass as we all hoped.

And about the vids being slow; all movies on the internet play at 30 fps. So its going to appear slow anyways. And if they keep in L-canceling, play will be sped up naturally for experienced smashers.

-I didn't read the entire thread because its over 100 pages long, so if I doubled anything I'm sorry, but I just wanted to get this out there.

 

[Zephyr]

Whenever anyone says anything in here, it's going to have a double somewhere, so don't worry about that. Honestly, this thread has been way off topic for a long time now, but that's only because we've discussed all there is to discuss about Brawl with the information we have.

In other news, Scav sucks.

 

[CizreK]

I dont understand why everyone thinks Wave Dashings so Great, I NEVER Wash Dash, when brawls out look out for my name, and Ill prove to you, you dont need to WD to be good.

 

[Cisne]

oh you never wd ? can u tell me how do u fight a marth player that have some spacing skills ? :S

back on topic...brawl will NOT suck, u all know it D:, u all trust sakurai , dont u ? ;3

 

[CizreK]

My friend Uses marth, I can beat him, you just gotta act fast WD is lame to me

 

[Superstar]

Your friend stinks then, no spacing skills whatsoever.

You do need to Wavedash to be good, or your other skills need to be so great to overcome the need to Wavedash. Aniki is basically the only living example.

Hmm, like I said, Wavedash has like a 1000 uses.

1) Edgehog
2) Wavesmash [wavedash to smash, count every smash as one use, since their use depends on attack]
3) Waveshine. Use reflector, then wavedash in order to follow up with a combo.
4) Spacing. Weave in and out a Marth's sword, position yourself for an attack
5) Dodge, part of spacing.
6) Wavegrab to combo.

Darn, I haven't played in a while, so I forgot some uses. It also depends by character.

Also, most people who are new in the game have the illusion that they are good, happened to all of us. If you have never been in a tournament, and have never beaten a highly ranked player, then most probably you are no good. I also used to think that Wavedash is pointless, but it has some uses under the hood, its just REALLY hidden [unless you look online].

To see Wavedash in action, search youtube for Greenish Machine 2. See it first before responding.

 

[Caael]

What I dont like, is people who dont like the look of brawl because ' it doesnt look competetive enough' or ' Wavedashing might not be in it, so I wont buy it'

You make me sick.

O noes, a 'pro' technique might not be in the game! Let's all Boycott it!


And people who think wavedash determines noobs from pro's are also very, very ignorant people who need to stop boasting, and stop bishing about the game.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

I dont understand why everyone thinks Wave Dashings so Great, I NEVER Wash Dash, when brawls out look out for my name, and Ill prove to you, you dont need to WD to be good.

Oh. **** OFF SCRUB!

Im not even arguing this again, refer to pages 1-100 where I destroyed about three hundred ****ing morons with the exact same mentaility as you.

Go on, tell me ''ANIKI DUN WAVEDEHS!!!'' I don't give a ****. Wavedashing is NOT a pro technique, its ****ing easy, my friends 8 year old cousin can do it, AND apply it. ITs easier than SHFFLING and shffling is more important. But wavedashing give you a precision unparalled by walking or dashing, or crouch canceling your dash and CRITICAL moments. TRY playing falco, and beating someone on your state / country's power rankings and WINNING (because winning is the only god**** thing that matters in a video game you morons) without wavedashing.

Please, post me a video of a good falco player who doesnt wavedash, you cant chase someones DI out of a shine if you dont waveshine, your approaches get messed up, and you generally suck.

So whatever, pick roy, have honor, dont edgehog, have TEH PHIRE!!! and get the hell out of here. CHRIST.

I hear the same **** in this thread over, and over, and over from people who didnt even bother participating it.

This thread was made 2 FRIGGIN MONTHS AGO. A LOT has been discussed / resolved. And if you didnt bother to follow along or AT LEAST READ THE LAST 5-6 PAGES, THEN SHUT THE HELL UP.

K thanks, bye. GG NO RE DD NOOB GO DIE.

What I dont like, is people who dont like the look of brawl because ' it doesnt look competetive enough' or ' Wavedashing might not be in it, so I wont buy it'

You make me sick.

O noes, a 'pro' technique might not be in the game! Let's all Boycott it!

Yup, again if you've read any of my posts that Ive made in the past 6 weeks youd know that I will be buying Brawl. But I wont bother competing if there is no wavedashing because I consider wavedashing to be essential to my spacing game. Without wavedash I would not get half as many grabs and could not maintain control. I play friggin shiek/falco. Shiek without pulsewalking mindgames would blow (for my playstyle) and you CANT PLAY FALCO WITHOUT WAVEDASHING.

My friend Uses marth, I can beat him, you just gotta act fast WD is lame to me

Who do you play? And how well does your friend play marth? Just being able to wavedash means NOTHING. once again, if you had followed the thread or any of my or other good players opinions wavedashing by itself is really ********, you have to apply it.

Look, you sound like a total and complete noob, so your friend probably is too and he probably wavedashes just for the SAKE of it, to look cool, and has no idea whatsoever how to apply it to marths tech-chase game and tie it in with his grab game, and use it for tippering.




That felt good.

 

[Superstar]

What I dont like, is people who dont like the look of brawl because ' it doesnt look competetive enough' or ' Wavedashing might not be in it, so I wont buy it'

You make me sick.

O noes, a 'pro' technique might not be in the game! Let's all Boycott it!


And people who think wavedash determines noobs from pro's are also very, very ignorant people who need to stop boasting, and stop bishing about the game.

No, its one of the things that determine skill. You won't see a pro who is incapable of wavedashing [Aniki does not wavedash cause he does not wish to, he is clearly capable of doing it if he wants to].

But it is also possible for someone to wavedash and still be a noob. Its not in the wavedash, but in the application.

Also, later in the thread, Dylan said he would buy it and play a bit for fun, but if it has no wavedash he will not play it competitively.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Superstar as always is more concise and way less angry than me, but im having a really really really bad week, and I cant believe there are still nub ****s that want to argue this with me when they know for a fact theyve never competed or done well in a real tournament in their life. ****.

 

[Unfaithfulfetus]

Sometimes it seems like a lot of you pros and hardcore players think of Melee more as an equation than a game. (this is not just to you, Tnga) Don't forget to have fun when you play.

"winning is the only god**** thing that matters in a video game you morons"

No. When I lose, it's still fun to play. I like having fun, maybe you (pl) don't feel that way though. That's what I thought games were for. Don't get me wrong, I love competition and training and even learning advanced techniques, but in the end it's fun to compete, win or lose.

(when you try to make yourself look cool by making me look like a n00b, don't try the "you're just saying that because you lose all the time" approach. i have won local tournaments and beat everyone waiting for a wii at walmart on Nov. 19th. true nintendo fans. i'm no pro, but by no means a n00b.)

 

[Shai Hulud]

Characters playable at a high level without wavedashing:

Bowser (insofar as he is playable at a high level at all)
Zelda (again, insofar as she is playable)
Link
Captain Falcon can get by without it, just because his dash is so long and fast. But WD still helps.

Pretty much every other character has good uses for wavedashing, and Bowser/Link/Zelda may as well. Their jumps are just very slow so it seems less useful. Ganon's jump is also slow, but his waveland => jab pwns your soul, and if you can't wavedash I doubt you can waveland, so whatever.

Man, that Greenish Machine video makes me want to play Luigi

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Sometimes it seems like a lot of you pros and hardcore players think of Melee more as an equation than a game. (this is not just to you, Tnga) Don't forget to have fun when you play.

"winning is the only god**** thing that matters in a video game you morons"

No. When I lose, it's still fun to play. I like having fun, maybe you (pl) don't feel that way though. That's what I thought games were for. Don't get me wrong, I love competition and training and even learning advanced techniques, but in the end it's fun to compete, win or lose.

(when you try to make yourself look cool by making me look like a n00b, don't try the "you're just saying that because you lose all the time" approach. i have won local tournaments and beat everyone waiting for a wii at walmart on Nov. 19th. true nintendo fans. i'm no pro, but by no means a n00b.)

I love losing too, as it improves me and shows my errors., but winning is the POINT of any video game. Do you play mario 3 to fall in a hole and laugh? Maybe if you're a gimp or something.

Yup, your opinion is exactly mine in anger I expressed myself and you couldnt tell my true opinion, but yes competing is fun win lose or draw. But I hate the people that will put me, and the rest of the competitive scene down for making winning the game our focus and my argument to that completly stupid mentality is that a video game only knows winning and losing. Fun is entirely subjective, if I wasnt having fun playing Melee.... I wouldnt play it.

I play this game and I enjoy myself EVERY time. Win, lose, 4 stock someone, get 4 stocked its all good. I really really love smash and I think that where half of the angry passion comes from in my posts. I had a really bad week too like I mentioned so I came home and exploded mostly because the above posts are replicas of posts Ive seen at least forty times in this thread alone.

 

[AxemRed]

You guys say this as if you didn't know that Nintendo and the Smash team encountered "wavedashing" when they were doing their testing in development. They all knew about it, but they left it in because if they took it out and tried to fix it, they would have to alter the entire physics engine. Nintendo even coined it the term "superdash" but no one found out about it for a few years, and then used it in competitive play. I'm sure with 6+ years of developement they found a way around it, but really, I don't care if its in or out, the game is gonna be just as kickass as we all hoped.

And about the vids being slow; all movies on the internet play at 30 fps. So its going to appear slow anyways. And if they keep in L-canceling, play will be sped up naturally for experienced smashers.

-I didn't read the entire thread because its over 100 pages long, so if I doubled anything I'm sorry, but I just wanted to get this out there.

This is the kind of post that bothers me. Pretending to know exactly what wavedashing is and whether or not it was "intended" based on unreliable sources and word of mouth.

Although if you got this information from a reputable source, do correct me.

 

[Red Exodus]

What I dont like, is people who dont like the look of brawl because ' it doesnt look competetive enough' or ' Wavedashing might not be in it, so I wont buy it'

You make me sick.

O noes, a 'pro' technique might not be in the game! Let's all Boycott it!


And people who think wavedash determines noobs from pro's are also very, very ignorant people who need to stop boasting, and stop bishing about the game.

Shhhhh. You stopped making sense now. You obviously don't know what you are talking about. A noob can wavedash and a pro can wavedash. BUT the difference between a noob and a pro is that a noob is going to WD everywhere and a pro is going to use it for spacing and speed.


If you don't want do be part of the competitive scene, why join this site? Why post on this thread? This is where tournaments go-ers and people in transition, such as myself, go to talk about smash and learn about the game.

If you don't like it then join a less hardcore site. You're only fooling yourself if you think this is where casual players go to discuss smash.

 

[Unfaithfulfetus]

On topic...

I love losing too, as it improves me and shows my errors., but winning is the POINT of any video game. Do you play mario 3 to fall in a hole and laugh? Maybe if you're a gimp or something.

Yup, your opinion is exactly mine in anger I expressed myself and you couldnt tell my true opinion, but yes competing is fun win lose or draw. But I hate the people that will put me, and the rest of the competitive scene down for making winning the game our focus and my argument to that completly stupid mentality is that a video game only knows winning and losing. Fun is entirely subjective, if I wasnt having fun playing Melee.... I wouldnt play it.

I play this game and I enjoy myself EVERY time. Win, lose, 4 stock someone, get 4 stocked its all good. I really really love smash and I think that where half of the angry passion comes from in my posts. I had a really bad week too like I mentioned so I came home and exploded mostly because the above posts are replicas of posts Ive seen at least forty times in this thread alone.

I don't know if your verdict is that I'm "completely stupid" or that you agree, but I'll admit winning is a lot funner than losing. Games don't care if you have fun, true, but gamers care if they're having fun. Again, this isn't just to you. (and now that you've clarified, it is less to you) I was just pointing out that it seems a lot of people think of this game as a science and not a game. I want to win, and I'll work to better myself, but if I don't that just drives me more. (like you said.) It doesn't make me feel like the match was a waste of time.

...Oh, and on topic... The videos do look slowed down, and that's my biggest worry. I realize that this may be due to inexperianced computers players, but if the game is slower it won't be the same. And I'm cautiously confident in them adding stuff. Sure, they could add something stupid that hinders the games, but remember the transition from 64 to Melee. They added a lot of good stuff, nothing useless.

And a final note: I want as many characters and stages as possible. Don't get me wrong, I don't want filler, craptastic characters or more clones, but the more unique characters and stages the longer this game will be awesome. (although it's not like I haven't been playing melee for what, six years, since it came out?)

 

[FSLMJM]

If Brawl really sucks then I would just go back to Melee.

 

[NeoFalconHavok]

So what you are saying is alienate people new to the series and make it "pro/hardcore" only? thats the message im getting from most of your speech

 

[Mr.GAW]

No lol, that was when I said [I'm too lazy to do all of the quote stuff right now]:


"I have no experience with Wiis so I'm in uncharted turf here,"

then in response you said:

"This says it all."

Then I said:

"Yes it does."

Which means my lack of comprehension of how the Wii and control scheme works is probably to blame for my misconceptions.

Anyway, I understand now, you win.

Oh. Well. Sorry for being such a ******* then. I feel very silly and immature now.

 

[Devastlian]

I don't see how anybody could've possibly inferred that, NeoFalconHavok. People want the same level of depth hidden in the simplistic outer shell the series known for. They don't want the techniques they've spent the last few years perfecting taken out because it's hard imagining anything taking their place or liking the game as much without them. There'll still be an overwhelmingly large amount of people buying the game because it's good group fun and stars their favourite characters and there'll still be this little niche that are dedicated to this game that want it to live up to the last and last as long. The hardcore players just don't wanna be left out, see. That's pretty much what this thread is about.

 

[NeoFalconHavok]

I don't see how anybody could've possibly inferred that, NeoFalconHavok. People want the same level of depth hidden in the simplistic outer shell the series known for. They don't want the techniques they've spent the last few years perfecting taken out because it's hard imagining anything taking their place or liking the game as much without them. There'll still be an overwhelmingly large amount of people buying the game because it's good group fun and stars their favourite and there'll still be this little niche that are dedicated to this game that want it to live up to the last and last as long. The hardcore players just don't wanna be left out, see. That's pretty much what this thread is about.

I guess so. The wording in the first post throws off a lot. Then again he didn't respond just now

 

[Devastlian]

Well, a lot's been discussed since that post and people have changed there stances and don't post as colorfully (usually) as they used to.

 

[sonofashrub]

dude. it's sakurai again. What's the worst that could happen? The game's definately not going to suck. At most it won't be as impressive as melee was when it came out, but it's definately NOT going to suck.

Trust me. Trust nintendo and sakurai. The game is going to be good, and if it's really different from melee, then we'll ***** and moan but we'll adapt just like we did when melee first came out.

I thought that regular smash would never die when melee came out, but it has. I haven't played that game in quite awhile. I'm sure melee will live on for maybe a year or so, before all the players move up to brawl. I bet all the good players will want to switch as quick as possible, so that they won't lose too much skill.

 

[Red Exodus]

It's highly unlikely that all of the smashers will move to Brawl. Why? Because up to this day SSB64 lives, if you play on Kaillera you'll understand. If the same happens with Melee [Kaillera], well don't expect Melee to die for a long long time.

Maybe I talked too soon? Here's a link to a thread that'll give you advice on getting smash online.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=75113

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

So what you are saying is alienate people new to the series and make it "pro/hardcore" only? thats the message im getting from most of your speech

....

How could smashbrothers be made ''pro/hardcore'' Look at melee... thats fun for newbies but can be pushed very very far by better players.

Thats what I want from brawl, if brawl was more technical than melee, only like.. japanese people would be able to compete at it

I want a game with potential. That potential would be halfed or even destroyed without WDing.

 

[cyberdemon]

@ Dylan Tnga: I know you hate noobs so much, but don't forget you once were a noob too.
(Or have you always been a pro at the game? I don't think so. Everybody starts as a noob)

And what would you have done, if somebody insulted you and called you a noob, when you didn't know about the advanced smash techniques?

Put yourself in the noob's place, whenever you think of flaming them.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

@ Dylan Tnga: I know you hate noobs so much, but don't forget you once were a noob too.
(Or have you always been a pro at the game? I don't think so. Everybody starts as a noob)

And what would you have done, if somebody insulted you and called you a noob, when you didn't know about the advanced smash techniques?

Put yourself in the noob's place, whenever you think of flaming them.

Ive known about these forums for YEARS. And I have always respected them. I EXPECTED to be flamed if I signed up here and was not part of the tournament scene in my area, and didnt have videos to prove my skill.

out of RESPECT FOR THIS GAME. I didnt sign up on these forums until after 3 years of playing Melee, knowing about these forums for about 2 and a half years, reading them ALL the time.

Noobs, DESERVE to be flamed. They shouldnt post here because they seem to think their opinions matter, and that somehow what they say has either the same, or greater priority over players far more skilled than them

Essentially, Noob : Go die.


BTW nice falco combo vid, I love the intro. You seem pretty skilled but obviously far from the top (Top being Dashizwizz / BS / PC) , Id consider myself around your level with falco maybe a bit worse (I main him these days, him and shiek)

Ill have to make my combo vid soon, Ive recorded more than enough falco matches to do so and have had some sick combos, some were even like 15%-120% - death.