Where you AGT? The Official Toon Link General Discussion/ Video Thread!

[`dazrin]

You'll understand once the changelog comes out, azngamer

 

[AznGamer405]

You'll understand once the changelog comes out, azngamer

Ah alright. It feels weird though lol.

Does anyone know when the changelog will come out by any chance?

 

[`dazrin]

sometime very soon. you won't have to wait too long for it, im sure.

but i strongly suggest u test things out on ur own and try to find out the changes for yourself as best as you can

 

[9bit]

I'm not sure if I've just gotten a bit better, but I'm finding it easier to bomb jump now.

Also I love the new dair.

 

[Deleted member]

Dair is new?
Hmm.. How so?

 

[AznGamer405]

Not sure about a new D-Air but did notice a difference with Tink's grounded D-Tilt when sweetspotted.

In 2.5b it would prop your opponent in the air, and leaving him or her in hitstun.

In 2.6, the stun is still there, but at low percentages, the sweetspot doesn't launch your opponent upwards anymore.

It's an interesting change, and I'm trying to modify my old strategies that worked with it in 2.5b to 2.6.

 

[BRLNK88]

Any early thoughts on how Toon does against MK now?
Still seems like a difficult MU.

 

[Deleted member]

Not really, TL just needs to spam bombs and boomerangs and he will beat the MK. If he wrecklessly approaches then you can shield and punish with w/e you want.

 

[BRLNK88]

OK, finally got a chance to mess around a bit with 2.6, TL's bomb jump is now DEFINITELY harder.
It seems like you have to be even more precise with your glide toss, and now I find myself hitting the bomb with the spin attack and it won't explode.
I'm very curious to see that change list.

 

[shadow0x0cloud]

I think they're trying to experiment on something with up b bombing. I've wanted to try agt up and up b so that I grab the ledge with my up b but hit the bomb on my way up towards the stage. I also wanted to try throwing up a bomb, grounded up b near the ledge, catch the bomb in the up b and fall off the stage. You cancel the grounded up b into a ledge grab, and I want to see how the bombs trajectory changes. Can probably be a good gimp tool?

 

[B.W.]

I really haven't had the chance to play 2.6 with anyone. Just messing around by myself I've noticed a few things I think, but I might be wrong on some, if not all, of them.

-Faster fall speed.
-F-Air is faster and might have more KBG
-Boomerang catch animation is gone except when standing still.

Other than that, I'm not sure why people are having trouble AGTing. It was the first thing I tried with him and it all feels the same to me.

 

[Shadic]

Only the last of your three changes are actually true.

People should use Bair more.

 

[B.W.]

I didn't notice anything different at all about B-air, if you're implying something way changed.

Hoping the change log comes out soon so I can see what all is different about T.Link and Pikachu.

 

[BJN39]

Bair feels like it kills earlier, but I'm guessing that's not a change.

Also, didn't Fair do 15% in 2.5 iterations? Up B also feels like it goes farther, but I haven't played in a while, so that may just be me.

 

[Shadic]

Bair sends at a higher angle, and has one frame faster IASA to match TL's Bair in Melee.

 

[shadow0x0cloud]

Bair juggle > boomerang toss > reset neutral
<3 <3

 

[BRLNK88]

I really haven't had the chance to play 2.6 with anyone. Just messing around by myself I've noticed a few things I think, but I might be wrong on some, if not all, of them.

-Faster fall speed.
-F-Air is faster and might have more KBG
-Boomerang catch animation is gone except when standing still.

Other than that, I'm not sure why people are having trouble AGTing. It was the first thing I tried with him and it all feels the same to me.

No, AGTing is exactly the same, it's the bomb jump itself.
My timing is dead on, I catch up to the bomb but it wont explode on me unless I hit it dead center with TL's body.
It also now seems to hit TL's sword and won't explode, never did that before. I could perform seemingly endless bomb jumps in 2.5b, now I have trouble doing just one.

 

[B.W.]

No, AGTing is exactly the same, it's the bomb jump itself.
My timing is dead on, I catch up to the bomb but it wont explode on me unless I hit it dead center with TL's body.
It also now seems to hit TL's sword and won't explode, never did that before. I could perform seemingly endless bomb jumps in 2.5b, now I have trouble doing just one.

I had no trouble bomb jumping either, so I dunno.

 

[BlinkIV]

Bomb jumping seems the same for me, I'm not having problems compared to 2.5b

 

[shadow0x0cloud]

I usually start to have problems bomb jumping on my 3rd Agt. Idk if its my own input error but it seems even when I line TL's head up with the bomb, the bomb bounces away.

Anyway, I was playing around with Agt ( mostly agt down recatch off stage) and I found out you can double jump, Agt down at the peak of your double jump and then Waveland to catch the bomb or agt right before you touch the ground to immediately throw it.

 

[Spac3Roids]

does up-b not go as high?

 

[BJN39]

I highly doubt that they made up b go any lower.

Bair stringing cpus into up b for the kill was fun in 2.5b, now it's even easier. I like that.

 

[BlinkIV]

Up-B seems to go a little higher compared to 2.5, and it seems a little more "floaty".

 

[BRLNK88]

Up-B seems to go a little higher compared to 2.5, and it seems a little more "floaty".

I think its also harder to sweetspot now, but the sweetspot is stronger than 2.5b.
Can someone "link" the changelist here when it comes out? I'm lazy.

 

[Fuzzyness]

Sai, I'll critique you when I return from the states.

If there were two moves I'd recommend people to experiment with in 2.6 it would be bair and fthrow.

- Jolteon

 

[BlinkIV]

Alright, sounds good. I'll definitely work with those moves, and I might be busting out my Toon Link at Low Tier City this weekend as well.

 

[AznGamer405]

By any chance, would there be a matchup sheet for Toon Link?

I'm curious to see which matches are in my favor, and which ones I have to put more work into lol.

 

[Deleted member]

Messing with AGTs online and my AGTs seem to either never reach or the bomb is for w/e reason hit away instead of exploding on me.

 

[BRLNK88]

Messing with AGTs online and my AGTs seem to either never reach or the bomb is for w/e reason hit away instead of exploding on me.

Good, I'm not alone on that.

 

[AznGamer405]

Good, I'm not alone on that.

I guess we have to be more precise now?

But yeah... the change in the AGT really hurts, especially when Tink was pretty gimpable to begin with imo.

 

[`dazrin]

It's not a change to AGT. AGT is exactly the same; the height for the up-b is the exact same as well (I'm pretty certain).

It's the up-b *hit* in itself that is a little different, which as a result, affected multi-bombjumps indirectly. Like I said before, whenever the changelog gets released, it should become clear.

 

[BRLNK88]

Make dem change it back, 2.6b, NAO.

 

[Tehtigerfist]

Does anybody know how many frames you have to up+B after you bomb jump, to reach the bomb and blow it up?

 

[B.W.]

I've still had 0 trouble bomb jumping. I do it like I've always done it and everything works the same as it always has for me.

 

[BRLNK88]

I've still had 0 trouble bomb jumping. I do it like I've always done it and everything works the same as it always has for me.

Prove it dawg.

 

[BRLNK88]

By any chance, would there be a matchup sheet for Toon Link?

I'm curious to see which matches are in my favor, and which ones I have to put more work into lol.

No MU sheet, but it holds pretty consistently thus far with YL's MUs in Melee.
He has trouble against the spacies, and does well against floaties.
Overall does better against Sheik and Marth thanks to his buffs, does well against Peach and does VERY well against Puff.

 

[AznGamer405]

Prove it dawg.

If he does prove it, then is it safe to say we all just suck? ;-;

No MU sheet, but it holds pretty consistently thus far with YL's MUs in Melee.
He has trouble against the spacies, and does well against floaties.
Overall does better against Sheik and Marth thanks to his buffs, does well against Peach and does VERY well against Puff.

Yeah, I figured the matchups would be equivalent to YL's Melee MUs.

However, while toying around with Melee, and seeing some of the people who main him in action, I've noticed that Young Link is mostly hit and run with Bomb -> Boomerang and either Up-Air or Down-Air.

My TL playstyle is a bit different as while I do use my projectiles, I find myself going on the offensive and approching with TL's interesting ground game - which has been working out for me so far.

Should I be playing him more like YL though?

Also, if you've played one, how exactly is the matchup between TL and Mario? I'm just curious that's all.

 

[Deleted member]

TL shouldn't be exactly like YL when you play him, you have more options now, better movement, and a bit more killing power. Still camp though, because boomerangs and bombs are the best.
Mario VS Tl is prolly like 55 45 Mario, He has really good grabs, tons of gimps, and a projectile. You can still beat him but its definitely not in his favor.

 

[AznGamer405]

TL shouldn't be exactly like YL when you play him, you have more options now, better movement, and a bit more killing power. Still camp though, because boomerangs and bombs are the best.
Mario VS Tl is prolly like 55 45 Mario, He has really good grabs, tons of gimps, and a projectile. You can still beat him but its definitely not in his favor.

Hm. Maybe I'll incorporate a bit more of my YL game into TL. I'm not particularly fond of camping too much though.

But anyways, the reason why I was asking about the Mario matchup was because I dealt with one in a friendly tourney I participated around a week ago.

2.6 just came out and the changed frame for the spin attack really did affect my multi-bomb jumping. Those fireballs gimped me pretty badly lol.

 

[B.W.]

Mario actually has a lot of **** on T.Link that, if you're a campy/runaway player, you're going to have to adjust to.

His fireballs are, in some cases (not all), more spammable than T.Link's projectiles. He has the cape to send poorly thrown projectiles back at you and he can gimp you very hard with his cape and b-air.

That's not to say T.Link has nothing against Mario. He can combo him decently, and his mobility is much better than Mario's and if there aren't any walls he can edge guard Mario with his (mindless) Aerial Up-Bing on the ledge.

imo I've always felt the matchup to be like 60-40 Mario. But I'm not 100% on that with 2.6 so I'll get back to you on that.