Where do you draw the line of what is in good tastes.

[Savon]

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MuraRengan and I are having an argument with a friend of ours from school.

This friend was talking about a video where a woman who played WoW died in RL and the players/friends she knew on the server decided to have an ingame memorial for her.

A guild then decided to crash the memorial as it occurred and procedded to make a mess of the entire event pvping people and disrupting it.
The video is here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHJVolaC8pw

He said that he found the video to be hilarious, but I still tried to explain to him that regardless of whether or not this was in game or in RL, the very concept of crashing a memorial of any type of a person who has died is in terrible tastes. It reminded of me those crazy WestBoro Church people who have no idea of what respect is in reference to the dead.

I guess I just wanted to see what other opinions are in reference to this entire thing. I have not touched WoW a day in my life, and I know the video is old, but it disturbs me that people find pleasure in that emotionless 4chan sense of humor that I find to be disgusting.

 

[ndayday]

People are stupid when they're in a group.
Dumb.

 

[SSBM_or_GTFO]

Maybe they shouldn't be hosting a memorial in a video game. Especially one with trolls.

Just my first impression upon reading.

 

[Teran]

Where do I draw the line? I don't, there is no line for me. It can end up upsetting people but whatever that's their problem.

People each have their own boundaries, and society sets general boundaries but it's up to the individual where that line lies, ultimately.

Also I found that pretty hilarious, but oh well I'm just a bad person.

 

[Skadorski]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that was a PvP server? If that's the truth then there's prolly a gain out of doing that (absolutely not defending their actions though). I think there are areas you can go to that prevent PvP action, so they should've thought of that ahead of time.
[couldn't see the whole video due to language and parents, but I remember hearing about it a long time ago].

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I agree with Teran that people have their own boundaries, but you should think about how people would feel about this. Can't really decide if this is too far or not due to the above factors, but I don't think they should've done it.

 

[Firus]

Where do I draw the line? I don't, there is no line for me. It can end up upsetting people but whatever that's their problem.

People each have their own boundaries, and society sets general boundaries but it's up to the individual where that line lies, ultimately.

Couldn't have put it better myself; this is almost exactly what I thought immediately after reading the title.

 

[theeboredone]

Well, not everyone has the same common sense and rational level. If everyone did, the world would be a happier place. Like Teran has said, everyone has their own limits, but at the same time, there are those who just don't care or...I hate to use this term, but "socially awkward" to the rest of the world. I'm not surprised that there was some raid or crash on the memorial, though it does bring up a question or two.

1. Were they aware before hand there was a memorial going on? Even if it was on the boards, maybe they wern't aware of it? If so, that's trolling at its finest.

2. You can make a case where having a in game memorial was going too far. I understand it was an emotional time, but make a social group on the forums or even a private chat room of some sorts...they were setting themselves up big time when they decided to go in game.

From a personal perspective, I would have just left them alone to do their own thing. I also find it terrible how so many people are making JOKES about the girl when she's dead. Nothing makes you cooler than being an internet tough guy.

I do understand though the process of a community as a whole not necessarily being "hurt", but definitely feeling "something" when someone in the group passes away. It was only a week ago when Sake (The Snake player I blogged about) from NoCal passed away due to contracting meningitis. I didn't know the guy, but just being part of a smash community meant something a little bit more than a death you hear on the news. Least I could do was send my condolences and prayers.

 

[*JuriHan*]

People are stupid when they're in a group.
Dumb.

This. Dat groupthink.

 

[Fuelbi]

So wheres Kenny, Kyle, and Stan when you need them? (forget Cartman, he'd probably be one of the raiders lol)

But seriously, I only started laughing when the Scatman song came on (though that's only really because of the DR >_>). What I don't get though is that if the girl really liked fishing and w/e then couldn't she go outside and do it herself instead of a ****ing game so that stroke wouldn't have happened in the first place? I honestly don't get people who go to a place because "it has calming noises" as if it were a real place like that girl did when you could easily do the real thing yourself.

Eh, that stroke had to come from somewhere I guess (no offense)

 

[RATED]

Where do I draw the line? I don't, there is no line for me. It can end up upsetting people but whatever that's their problem.

People each have their own boundaries, and society sets general boundaries but it's up to the individual where that line lies, ultimately.

Also I found that pretty hilarious, but oh well I'm just a bad person.

I LOL'd too at reading what happened, but I still think that's wrong. If I were on their shoes I would be mad. So IMO is 50-50.

everyone has a different line

 

[ndayday]

Poor girl probably didn't have any friends irl to do that stuff with, man.

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posting too much real talk w/ you today Fuelbi lol

 

[Spelt]

Wow ... people holding a memorial in an MMO? That is just ********.

 

[§witch]

I try to not give a **** about anything, much less things that don't effect me in the slightest.

 

[finalark]

What can I say? People are **** and do stupid things.

Honestly, though, I think the people who crashed the memorial should get punched while at the same time those organizing it should have done something to prevent this, given that it is the internet.

 

[Tesh]

Thats actually pretty sad. Not as sad as those Everquest guild leaders that met in real life and killed each other, but still. But, if you have jerks like that in real life that will crash funerals, its no surprise that you will have them online.




I've never played WoW, didn't know you could go beat people up without them agreeing to fight you.

 

[finalark]

Thats actually pretty sad. Not as sad as those Everquest guild leaders that met in real life and killed each other, but still.

When did this happen? No, seriously, I've never heard of this.

I've never played WoW, didn't know you could go beat people up without them agreeing to fight you.

Usually that's the way it works, but if you're playing on a PvP server players from the opposing side can freely attack you.

 

[theeboredone]

I must now google this Everquest story.

 

[Tesh]

Might not have been everquest, I remember the story back in 2005-2008 (the period during which i played an MMO). 2 prestigious guild leaders met face to face and one of them wound up dead.

Looking it up now.....and it appears to be about Lineage 2. 2 incidents actually. 1 where a player met another player in real life and stomped him to death, and the other that I mentioned already.

Though, not to derail this thread, which is about inconsiderate jerks, not obsessed ******* that take a game too far.

 

[Snuc]

4chan isnt that bad....

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[Noobicidal]

I think that the entire idea of having that in-game memorial is pretty stupid to begin with, but that's neither here nor there. The memorial planners were pretty ignorant to assume that an event of this size and nature would not be interrupted, regardless if they were in a PvP zone or not. The fact that they decided to actually host the funeral in a PvP area and that the mourners got crashed by a clan just puts icing on the hilarity cake for me.

I could definitely imagine that clan getting an unofficial motto along the lines of "Not even death will save you from us".

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The double meanings are just killing me.

 

[El Nino]

I think there's a significant contrast between what happened there and what happened here recently with the death of a Smash player. For one, people have to meet face to face for a game like Smash, and that means interaction in physical reality. Playing Smash forces you to deal with people and develop social skills. You can't even just walk into an arcade and play against a stranger to play Smash competitively. You have to meet someone and invite them over to your house (or vice versa). I think that sort of thing shapes even your online interactions within the community in different ways than in a game like WoW where the majority have never met each other.

I guess you could say that it's less a matter of "good taste" and more a matter of social maturity. Both the group that was holding the online memorial and the group that sabotaged it seem socially maladjusted to me, though obviously the former was more innocent about it than the latter. I do kind of feel bad for those kids because to them it was probably a big deal.

That said, with all due respect to the deceased, I did find the concept behind that video humorous, even if the execution was below the belt. If I were to have an online funeral, I want my friends to be that rampaging horde and thoroughly **** up someone else's party. I want every serious business on the Net to be brought to a halt and relentlessly hit with Captain Falcon memes in my honor.

And IRL I want to be cremated and my ashes scattered by airplane over a playground in some gated community where rich soccer moms take their young children to play.

"Look, mommy, it's snowing!"

Edit: the Lineage II killings happened in Russia, 2 incidents, 1 in 2008, 1 in 2007.

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/01/20/lineage-ii-clan-rivalry-ends-in-real-life-murder/

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/01/31/moscows-lineage-ii-meet-up-murder/

 

[Krystedez]

Holding a memorial in a PvP server is like holding a funeral in a warzone. You just don't do it. People aren't going to suddenly stop and admire or ignore your service; they're gunna obstruct it, one way or another.

 

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MuraRengan and I are having an argument with a friend of ours from school.

This friend was talking about a video where a woman who played WoW died in RL and the players/friends she knew on the server decided to have an ingame memorial for her.

A guild then decided to crash the memorial as it occurred and procedded to make a mess of the entire event pvping people and disrupting it.
The video is here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHJVolaC8pw

He said that he found the video to be hilarious, but I still tried to explain to him that regardless of whether or not this was in game or in RL, the very concept of crashing a memorial of any type of a person who has died is in terrible tastes. It reminded of me those crazy WestBoro Church people who have no idea of what respect is in reference to the dead.

I guess I just wanted to see what other opinions are in reference to this entire thing. I have not touched WoW a day in my life, and I know the video is old, but it disturbs me that people find pleasure in that emotionless 4chan sense of humor that I find to be disgusting.

Don't you DARE compare what WBC does to what happened in a video game. I'm ashamed to say I'm from the same state they are.

The event in that video was the result of awful planning on the part of the organizers. From my memory, they decided to do it during a point of the year where there's high PVP traffic, in a high PVP area, during a time of day where there's a lot of PVP.
Basically, they asked for it.
Was it "nice"? No.
Was it morally wrong? Meh. Debatable.
Was it the result of poor planning and lack of thought on the part of the organizers? Absolutely. I would have been a pround member of that raid group.
And it's NOT 4chan humor. Trust me. There was not a single cat, disgusting picture of a mans backdoor nor a single mention of Milhouse. Not even a LEEROOOOOY JEEEEEEENKIIIIIIINS.

That said, with all due respect to the deceased, I did find the concept behind that video humorous, even if the execution was below the belt. If I were to have an online funeral, I want my friends to be that rampaging horde and thoroughly **** up someone else's party. I want every serious business on the Net to be brought to a halt and relentlessly hit with Captain Falcon memes in my honor.

And IRL I want to be cremated and my ashes scattered by airplane over a playground in some gated community where rich soccer moms take their young children to play.

"Look, mommy, it's snowing!"

I think I love you.

 

[deepseadiva]

Was it morally wrong? Meh. Debatable.

"Debatable?" How?

They were being mean *******s. That's why it's so damn funny.

 

[MTKO]

Everyone draws their line at a different point. I really don't like the "4chan" type humor, as you described, that it seems my friends think is hilarious. It saddens me to know other go through a great deal of suffering and tons of people find it funny. I often think of how I'd feel of something horrible happened to someone close to me and it was made into a joke. It makes me pretty upset to say the least.

It's hard to avoid people that are like this sometimes. When my friends are around I just avoid talking about any of that stuff with them and focus on the activities we planned on doing.

 

[Super_Sonic8677]

Speaking of bad taste, someone I haven't seen in probably a year popped up on aim at of the blue.

He has a kind of dry humor when he types most of the time. Well I asked how life had been treatin him and he said he was dying but other than that was good.

I said something smart, thinking he wasn't serious. Except he is serious. I feel like a total *** now especially since he left basically right after that. I pretty much hate my life. And I had only said 4 hours ago that I can't go a day without somebody hurting, dead or dying or has some ailment of some kind.

Not funny cosmic joke was not funny.

I'm a moron and did I say I hate my life?

 

[El Nino]

@Super_Sonic: If you can, try to re-connect with him a little bit later. But don't beat yourself up over your mistake. Misunderstandings happen a lot on AIM or over the Internet in general. Facebook, AIM, texting, none of these things are very effective modes of communication. We use them out of convenience.

 

[Super_Sonic8677]

The problem with that is there's a reason I haven't talked to him in nearly a year. He's never on when I am. And since the clan that I ran way back when is long gone, AIM is now the only means I have of communication with this person.

 

[El Nino]

Try sending him a message anyway. He'll see it when he next logs on.