What SBR Members Think of Metaknight (DL UP!)

[Deoxys]

WTF! Start debating... please....

NVM, getting something to work I guess.

 

[M15t3R E]

*Keeps listening as I go make popcorn*

 

[Deoxys]

Lol finally.

 

[aeghrur]

Lmao.
"everybody, shut the fuck up."

 

[Sinz]

God. This is going to be hard to transcribe....

 

[WaterTails]

Don't worry, Sinz. Ankoku's got it!

 

[Espy Rose]

That was so **** awesome. Good job guys.

and lol @ Ankoku.

 

[Sinz]

I just got ***** by everyone.

 

[jaaboy]

is there a replay or a has someone written it down somewhere?

 

[Sinz]

I am still debating whether or not to transcribe this.

:/

Maybe I will split with Ankoku.

 

[Praxis]

Wow, good stuff. I felt pro-ban had the stronger argument.

Sinz, I would love you forever if you transcribed... <3 But it's a dang tough job.

 

[thesage]

I'll help with the transcription as well. I'll take the beginning (first hour) cuz I missed it.

 

[Anth0ny]

This was an amazing podcast. Great stuff from both sides.

And I'm still listening right now LOLZ.

 

[metalmonstar]

The first topics were pretty much even. I can't say either side really moved me at all. The last two when OS had to fend for himself were great though. He showed a real understanding for metaknights moves and strategies. I felt that his facts were well researched and he portrayed his argument well. Anti ban did well on those also but OS really stepped it up a notch. The last topic really didn't move me for either side. I felt like there wasn't much content and both sides seemed to stray off of topic which was sad because I really wanted to hear the arguments on that one.

I am leaning more towards the pro ban side now but I still think experimentation is the best way to go.

 

[DanGR]

It sounded like no matter how good Overswarm's arguments were, Panda kept riding the fence in his reviews. I'm looking specifically at the moveset discussion review Panda gave. I thought OS nailed it hard.

 

[Steeler]

so i herd wichita bi-weekly and i got a semi-shoutout?? what is this madness?

 

[Praxis]

I was the one that IM'd OS on the "Megaman argument". AlphaZealot was suggesting that by leaving MK, thus putting everyone who mains someone else in a disadvantaged situation, the other mains would simply get better because of the fact that they're always at the disadvantage. It's essentially arguing that a good player can safely always fight at a disadvantage and win.

Frankly, it's a really silly theory to me. It works in Megaman games where you can outsmart the game's AI and win despite an absurd disadvantage, but when your opponent is a human being, the ideal is NOT for one set of players- the Metaknights- to always have the advantage and the other players have to be significantly better, not just equal, to overcome them.

 

[XienZo]

When's the download gonna come up? I totally forgot these things happen on the east coast.

 

[Steeler]

When's the download gonna come up? I totally forgot these things happen on the east coast.

a few days. i'd say around wednesday.

 

[Espy Rose]

It sounded like no matter how good Overswarm's arguments were, Panda kept riding the fence in his reviews. I'm looking specifically at the moveset discussion review Panda gave. I thought OS nailed it hard.

I kinda felt the same way, but I could understand why he'd want to continue to stay neutral despite whichever side felt stronger.

I think both sides did a great job. However, I feel that the pro-ban side felt a little more stronger than the anti-ban side the further down on the topics the chat went into.

Oh, and it sucks that edrees had to take off so soon. I would've loved to hear what he'd have to say on those later subjects.

Overall, great shiz with this podcast guys, looking forward to some Brawl+ talk next time.

 

[Hylian]

Lmao.
"everybody, shut the fuck up."

LOL Umbreon is amazing.

 

[momochuu]

Lmao.
"everybody, shut the fuck up."

That single line match my entire night, lol.

 

[DanGR]

I kinda felt the same way, but I could understand why he'd want to continue to stay neutral despite whichever side felt stronger.

This was a debate though. Panda can stay undecided if he wants to, and that's fine. His personal stance on the subject shouldn't interfere with his reviews though. Look at the election debates.

 

[Espy Rose]

This was a debate though. Panda can stay undecided if he wants to, and that's fine. His personal stance on the subject shouldn't interfere with his reviews though. Look at the election debates.

Yeah, I'm aware of that, and I understand it.

 

[Deleted member]

it's much easier to defend the ban MK side on the basis that people are tired of this character and want to see him gone for any reason.

 

[Miles.]

Really well done.

Very intelligent debates.

Looking forward to lots more from you guys.

 

[Overswarm]

it's much easier to defend the ban MK side on the basis that people are tired of this character and want to see him gone for any reason.

Being right helps too.

 

[DanGR]

edit: OS got it first. >_>

hey, can I use your sig OS?

 

[SamuraiPanda]

This was a debate though. Panda can stay undecided if he wants to, and that's fine. His personal stance on the subject shouldn't interfere with his reviews though. Look at the election debates.

Negative. They weren't reveiews... they were the shifts in my personal opinion. The entire point of the debate was to convince ME as a smasher that MK should be banned. It was not to say one side won over the other.

Also, I kept in mind counterpoints and arguments that were brought up in other places to some of the points they raised. I didn't want to make the podcast run 2-3 times longer than it did, so I didn't actually verbalize these specific counterpoints.

 

[Espy Rose]

Negative. They weren't reveiews... they were the shifts in my personal opinion. The entire point of the debate was to convince ME as a smasher that MK should be banned. It was not to say one side won over the other.

Also, I kept in mind counterpoints and arguments that were brought up in other places to some of the points they raised. I didn't want to make the podcast run 2-3 times longer than it did, so I didn't actually verbalize these specific counterpoints.

What the hell!?

Your avatar is a penguin. Switch it back to the panda this instant.

 

[metalmonstar]

Any idea why your site was suspended? That seemed a little odd to me.

Great job though. The podcast was really fun to watch. I wish I could have been on the other chat also but it just wouldn't come up for me.

 

[MBlaze]

I'm sorry OS I fell asleep during the final debate but don't get me wrongit was a great debate, did Penguin go with pro ban?

Also I like what you guys said about Mario in the beginning, he's a really great character and deserves some more respect. I hope to see him raised up to middle on the teir list.

 

[Drecker]

We think he takes a ton of skill to play, and a ton of time to lea-

I couldn't finish that, I'm laughing way too hard. I'd say Metaknight is the Ken of Brawl, but Third Strike has a learning curve.

 

[The Real Inferno]

As for "Why not?" because allowing public access gives players that future rulings will affect a chance to anticipate changes and such. If the things that happen in the SBR only affected SBR members it would be fine to keep it hidden, but it affects the majority of the community, if not all of them. I still see no real drawback to allowing the SBR to be public viewable.

That and no one is supposed to know about the "Increase Your Post Count Thread"....OH SHI- /0

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Are there any transcriptions available already?

 

[DanGR]

Negative. They weren't reveiews... they were the shifts in my personal opinion. The entire point of the debate was to convince ME as a smasher that MK should be banned. It was not to say one side won over the other.

Also, I kept in mind counterpoints and arguments that were brought up in other places to some of the points they raised. I didn't want to make the podcast run 2-3 times longer than it did, so I didn't actually verbalize these specific counterpoints.

ah, that makes sense. kk

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

I still think that there should be two levels to the SBroom. 1st level is reading access. With an instaban or a temp ban if you make a thread like an idiot.

And then the 2nd level which would be posting rights.


I'm SO mad I didn't get to hear most of the debate live. T_T Can't wait for the release. ^_^

 

[Asdioh]

What the hell!?

Your avatar is a penguin. Switch it back to the panda this instant.

That's no penguin, that's a space st-

I mean, it looks like a ferret or weasel to me.


What was this thread again? Oh yeah, the podcast was interesting. I agree with Overswarm, though I used to be fairly neutral.

My reasoning for anti-ban was that
1. MK isn't unbeatable
2. It's satisfying to beat a MK player because then you KNOW you're better than him :D
^ that's not really a good reason.

My pro-ban reasoning is:
1. MK has no bad matchups or stages
2. Just because MK isn't unbeatable doesn't mean you'll win. If you have an opponent that abuses MK to the fullest extent, well...I've heard that half his attacks come out as fast or faster than Kirby's Jab attack, so um, yeah. Many of them are less punishable as well.
3. Variety? >_> if people are really picking up MK to fight other MKs, and finding that they can simply main him, this game is becoming (more) ********.

 

[Flayl]

There was a point in the debate about MK's moveset that I can not agree with by any means. The anti-ban side said MK's aerials are "dedicated"... Ok so what about the rest of the cast? I guess they're "super-dedicated"?

 

[ShadowLink84]

Its true though, MK's cannot erally pop out most of his aerials twice in one hop.
Uair and Dair but not his other moves. It doesn't mean much though because he can just retreat while using the aerial though not to such a degree as Marth.