This is a non edit convo between me and reno while i was bored at work and he was just at home chilling.
I really would like to hear some responses about this ... I really like contributing to mayb spreading the game ... to mayb even the brawl kids that thought the game was amazing but saw the defaults in brawl. I'm sry if u play brawl and take it serious, but lets be serious its not on any level compared to the depth of melee.
anyway just please post your opinions! I'm really trying to work on getting sponsors for this game because i think it deserves every dollar !
Renonyc 12:35 pm
alukard
plz
tell me u are there
AlukardEMP 12:35 pm
yea
wassup
?
Renonyc 12:36 pm
omg
OH MY GOD
ALUKARD
AlukardEMP 12:36 pm
wa
Renonyc 12:36 pm
I DID
AlukardEMP 12:36 pm
?!?!?!
Renonyc 12:36 pm
THE
1 FRAME
CANCEL
EX-CANCEL TO ULTRA
O_O
AlukardEMP 12:36 pm
viper
Renonyc 12:36 pm
nooo
abel
abel's EX -change of direction to ULTRA
after absorbing a hit
AlukardEMP 12:37 pm
that doesn't sound to hard
Renonyc 12:37 pm
...
AlukardEMP 12:37 pm
i mean only cuz its still the same motion
i can see it being easier
AlukardEMP 12:37 pm
i'm sry lol ... i dont wanna take away credit or anything
especially since u are so happy lol
Renonyc 12:37 pm
i need u to see it
its the hardest manuever in all of sf4
AlukardEMP 12:38 pm
really
?
Renonyc 12:38 pm
im finding u a good video
AlukardEMP 12:39 pm
lol
k
Renonyc 12:39 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moF_4kBL4Sc
thats balrogs version
AlukardEMP 12:40 pm
i can sooo see u churnning that butter for abel tho
i mean it doesn't sound hard for him
lol
Renonyc 12:40 pm
definitely WAS!
mad hard!
but only b/c i was doing
AlukardEMP 12:41 pm
balrogs looks O_o'
Renonyc 12:41 pm
the ex change of direction
so i can continue it
AlukardEMP 12:42 pm
this is wild
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEEjcSzAfu0&feature=related
Renonyc 12:42 pm
yep
anYHOO
THAT **** IS HARD
2 DO
=x
ALMOST AS HARD AS SHADALOO
Renonyc 12:44 pm
lululul
AlukardEMP 12:44 pm
shadaloo?
Renonyc 12:44 pm
nvm
AlukardEMP 12:44 pm
-___-
reno is s SF4 head now lmfao
Renonyc 12:46 pm
nahhh
lol
its just easier to play other ppl
than smash
h
AlukardEMP 12:46 pm
yea i know
that is tru
but theres no doubles!!!
LOL
so it gets kinda boring to me >_>
Renonyc 12:48 pm
singles is all about that skillies
no dependence
AlukardEMP 12:48 pm
ummm
not tru
lol
that makes no sense LOLOL
Renonyc 12:49 pm
how does that make no sense
AlukardEMP 12:49 pm
listen to wat u said
how wouldn't it take skill
y did jesus and m2k **** at genesis and zhu and m2k can't win ****
and they teamed twice
AlukardEMP 12:50 pm
cuz zhu isn't better then jesus
why do me and g$ do so well in doubles ...
because we take it serious and practice at it
Renonyc 12:51 pm
it doesn't take "more" skill
AlukardEMP 12:51 pm
i didn't say that
i think its the same
Renonyc 12:51 pm
i dont think its the same at all
AlukardEMP 12:51 pm
it is
Renonyc 12:51 pm
theres a certain amount of dependence on your partner to do well
its not an independent
thing
AlukardEMP 12:52 pm
well thats why u practice
Renonyc 12:52 pm
no
listen
AlukardEMP 12:52 pm
lol no?
Renonyc 12:52 pm
you're not getting the argumenet
AlukardEMP 12:52 pm
ur just saying that wat if ur partner does bad that one game
Renonyc 12:52 pm
i didnt say that at all brian
i said
AlukardEMP 12:52 pm
well i mean that can be said about urself in singles
u dont have to depend on ur partner
Renonyc 12:52 pm
no it cannot.
AlukardEMP 12:52 pm
yes it can
Renonyc 12:52 pm
in singles
AlukardEMP 12:52 pm
wat u can choke in singles
Renonyc 12:52 pm
its independent
theres no dependence
AlukardEMP 12:53 pm
just like u can choke in doubles
so because ur dependant on ur partner ... it takes no skill
Renonyc 12:53 pm
i didnt say it takes no skill
AlukardEMP 12:53 pm
that is the original argument
Renonyc 12:53 pm
did u see me say at all
?
i said singles is all about the skillies
i didnt diss doubles
in any way
doubles takes skill too
takes chemistry between partners
but
regardless if one person is having a rough day
there can be people to over shadow the teammate
for instance
mango +
anyone
mango obviously just does better
theres an immense amount of co-dependency
by his teammate
is what im saying
in singles theres no one to support you
you are on your own
Renonyc 12:55 pm
and it shines your individual skills the best.
as a player.
you don't go around saying yo im the BEST.. at doubles.
it doesn't make sense
AlukardEMP 12:55 pm
not true
it does
look at darc
look at isai
Renonyc 12:55 pm
?
they've been great at both singles and doubles
every great singles player has been great at doubles.
but not vice versa
AlukardEMP 12:55 pm
but no where near as good as they are in doubles
Renonyc 12:56 pm
they seem better in doubles b/c of the co-dependency on their teammate
AlukardEMP 12:56 pm
lmfao
forget it
ur just going to say that about everything
Renonyc 12:56 pm
you haven't even given a valid arguement
AlukardEMP 12:56 pm
it doesn't apply to just every aspect of doubles bro
Renonyc 12:57 pm
you just said
AlukardEMP 12:57 pm
yes i have
Renonyc 12:57 pm
doubles takes a lot of skill
AlukardEMP 12:57 pm
doubles takes just as much skill
Renonyc 12:57 pm
not just as much
AlukardEMP 12:57 pm
as singles
Renonyc 12:57 pm
at all
AlukardEMP 12:57 pm
its even a different mindset
Renonyc 12:57 pm
AT ALL.
AlukardEMP 12:57 pm
u dont have to always chase
Renonyc 12:57 pm
looking at an individual stand point
for instance
AlukardEMP 12:57 pm
u can zone better
Renonyc 12:57 pm
u n G$
AlukardEMP 12:57 pm
because u have ur partner
Renonyc 12:57 pm
hear me out
u n G$
for instance
lets say G$ sucks at edge gaurding
AlukardEMP 12:57 pm
he does
Renonyc 12:57 pm
u do alll the edgeguarding
right?
lets just say
AlukardEMP 12:57 pm
majority
Renonyc 12:58 pm
it SHOWS.
AlukardEMP 12:58 pm
unless he is falco
Renonyc 12:58 pm
no
no characters
lets take hypotheticals
you do 100% of edgeguarding
G$ hits on stage.
it SHOWS, that where his skill lies
as an individual player
and it will SHOW when he plays singles
AlukardEMP 12:58 pm
but thats the way it is tho
Renonyc 12:58 pm
b/c he can't edgeguard
AlukardEMP 12:58 pm
where one person sucks
Renonyc 12:58 pm
do u know what i mean?
AlukardEMP 12:58 pm
the other excels
Renonyc 12:58 pm
but
thats just IT
the individual skill
is still there
Renonyc 12:59 pm
and it doesn't take just as much skill to play doubles because you have your partner
to back u up
where u fail
AlukardEMP 12:59 pm
and then the it gets balanced by the players
Renonyc 12:59 pm
do u get what im saying?
AlukardEMP 12:59 pm
yes it does
WTf
Renonyc 12:59 pm
>_<
AlukardEMP 12:59 pm
that means ur have to be on point
Renonyc 12:59 pm
omg
AlukardEMP 12:59 pm
like the person that takes care of a certain job
Renonyc 12:59 pm
brian stop warping the arguement you're bringing in like a million variables.
what does being on point have to do with anythig
AlukardEMP 1:00 pm
thats like saying support in halo suck at FFA
Renonyc 1:00 pm
G$ doing his BEST
CANT
EDGUARD
YOU DO ALL THE EDGEGUARDING
when he plays singles
he can't edgeguard
AlukardEMP 1:00 pm
***** this is an age old convo ... and melee is the ONLY community that thinks with their head up their butt
lol
Renonyc 1:00 pm
and thats why he doesn't NEED to worry as much in doubles (LESS SKILL) because you are there to do it for him
AlukardEMP 1:01 pm
but wat i'm saying
Renonyc 1:01 pm
where you don't excel your partner picks up the slack
AlukardEMP 1:01 pm
is that yes he has to do one thing less
Renonyc 1:01 pm
yes
AlukardEMP 1:01 pm
but has to do some things more
Renonyc 1:01 pm
and thats less skillful
AlukardEMP 1:01 pm
so it should balance it out
Renonyc 1:01 pm
u have to be able to do all around
AlukardEMP 1:01 pm
not tru
thats why theres character differences
Renonyc 1:01 pm
u have to be able to edgeguard at any given chance u know why?
cause your partner could be across the stage
u have to possess every skill
AlukardEMP 1:01 pm
like a jiggs doesn't approach
Renonyc 1:02 pm
to get the kill
AlukardEMP 1:02 pm
she relies on the partner
and thats why she is sooo good at doubles
cuz she just waits
and punishes
man
ur just looking at it one sided
like the whole community
Renonyc 1:02 pm
how is it one sided when it makes complete sense
AlukardEMP 1:02 pm
its like telling somone that got 15 assists and went +3 in halo did meh
but he is support
Renonyc 1:02 pm
no its not
AlukardEMP 1:02 pm
thats his job
Renonyc 1:02 pm
at all
AlukardEMP 1:03 pm
yes it is
Renonyc 1:03 pm
no
not at all
AlukardEMP 1:03 pm
yes yes yes
Renonyc 1:03 pm
just listen to this statement
Renonyc 1:03 pm
Everyone who is good at Singles, is generally pretty good at doubles
Everyone who is good at doubles, isn't neccessarily good at singles.
AlukardEMP 1:03 pm
listen i agree with this for the way the melee community thinks
Renonyc 1:03 pm
do those 2 statements make sense?
AlukardEMP 1:04 pm
but it shouldn't be that way
is wat i'm saying
doubles should be a totally different mindset
it should be filling the gaps
its like a whole different game really
AlukardEMP 1:05 pm
look at peach
and jiggs
and CF
how they change in doubles
because the gaps get filled
Renonyc 1:05 pm
u have seen m2k n jman
haven't u?
they take their opponents
AlukardEMP 1:05 pm
and the partners fill the gaps
Renonyc 1:05 pm
to left and right side
they do 2 singles matches
AlukardEMP 1:06 pm
yea
but when the people stick together they lose
Renonyc 1:06 pm
and they go very far in singles
AlukardEMP 1:06 pm
like mango and pc
they won a couple with peach and jiggs
Renonyc 1:06 pm
im saying chemistry has to be there it strengthens the team, yes it does help
but then 2 super powers
AlukardEMP 1:06 pm
and then when jesus and m2k tried team combos
Renonyc 1:06 pm
get together
AlukardEMP 1:06 pm
they failed
lol
Renonyc 1:06 pm
and they have a much better chance
to win
this is non-character specific brian
AlukardEMP 1:07 pm
but it should be because its an aspect of the game
Renonyc 1:07 pm
lets just take
the best of what they do
Renonyc 1:07 pm
plus they play mains
regardless
they may have a backup
whatever
they have a main character
they usually play
so taking that
M2k + jman
they will seperate you,
single you out on each side of FD
and ****
edgeguard etc.
AlukardEMP 1:08 pm
yea i understand that
Renonyc 1:08 pm
they are both incredible performers in singles
AlukardEMP 1:08 pm
thats their strat tho
Renonyc 1:08 pm
but im saying they don't need any more indepth strategy to be GOOD at doubles
AlukardEMP 1:09 pm
i mean wouldn't u think safer chars like sheik jiggs would bother them back
like peach
Renonyc 1:09 pm
while players that aren't soo good at singles themselves who need their partners to cover their *****
might be better at doubles
AlukardEMP 1:09 pm
because its easy to stick together with her
Renonyc 1:09 pm
if you're good
u can manipulate however u want
AlukardEMP 1:09 pm
i dunno
Renonyc 1:09 pm
like hwat
now
AlukardEMP 1:11 pm
o ok
like the way people practice in this game
theres soooo much depth
AlukardEMP 1:11 pm
but people decide to keep it in
theres maddd stuff that me and u dont know
and we are considered really high level players.
its like on a if u ask i'll tell u stuff basis
and thats dum
when people find things out in the SRK forums or H3 ****
they tell right away
to help the community
alot of people suck granted
but a lot of people dont jump the gap from high level to pro because they lack the help/knowledge someone else got
get me
Renonyc 1:13 pm
ok
AlukardEMP 1:13 pm
i just think the game as a whole would change if people wouldn't just think onesided
Renonyc 1:13 pm
well somepeople dont think if it quite as much as a community
not a "we-play-to-have-fun"
its
i play to win
and why would someone who wins going to give up their trump
so that they can get beat?
AlukardEMP 1:14 pm
yea thats why we are a ****ty community and our sponsors died
cuz all our players quit
after the whole omg i can't understand how he did that ?!?!
Renonyc 1:14 pm
no resolve =/, good players figure **** out for themselves
AlukardEMP 1:14 pm
nah
Renonyc 1:14 pm
cause they try
and try
AlukardEMP 1:14 pm
not tru
theres people that just come into the game
and are good
but need to know ****
like pc
he doesn't know much about the game
and then he just asks around and learned because he did well at the tournies in nyc
wes picked him up and taught him a lot of **** ...
AlukardEMP 1:15 pm
AT's that u obviously need to know to win
Renonyc 1:16 pm
thats the easy way to getting it
AlukardEMP 1:16 pm
theres tons of **** u figure out in this game out of luck
or it happens to fast to understand
Renonyc 1:16 pm
but im sure not ONE person
discovered Wavedashing
but ONE person put it online first
AlukardEMP 1:16 pm
and then
it helped the game greatly
sooo many people started playing because of it
**** i did
Renonyc 1:16 pm
it helped everyone else "level" the playing field and thats that person's perrogative
but its like saying im in war with you, you obviously suck and have no strategy or technology,
HERE
let me teach you to make
bombs
airplanes
etc.
so we can have a fair fight
AlukardEMP 1:17 pm
yes
why is that bad
?
Renonyc 1:17 pm
cause in a WAR
AlukardEMP 1:17 pm
then it becomes skill
Renonyc 1:17 pm
you want to WIN
AlukardEMP 1:17 pm
its not war
AlukardEMP 1:17 pm
its supposed to be fair reno
Renonyc 1:18 pm
with minimal casualties
AlukardEMP 1:18 pm
if not then why have ****ing rules
of banning
Renonyc 1:18 pm
if i know mroe about the game
than you do
and i beat u
AlukardEMP 1:18 pm
i swear this convo is godly
Renonyc 1:18 pm
then u have studying to do
AlukardEMP 1:18 pm
i'm sooo posting it on smashboards lmfao
LMFAO
Renonyc 1:18 pm
im not gonna give you my strategy
to beating you
anyone who is doing that is obviously being "nice"
AlukardEMP 1:18 pm
i understand wat ur saying
Renonyc 1:18 pm
i know the community you want is all friendly lovey-dovey
but its not
it is what it is
you learn what u can
from the friends you make
AlukardEMP 1:19 pm
but if really are amazing at the game tho u should be able to beat someone on an even skill
Renonyc 1:19 pm
if you're some noob and someone no one likes
u ask someone for help
they aren't gonna help you
AlukardEMP 1:19 pm
at least even knowledgable
theres tons of times i lose to jesus and he goes
why did u challenge that
x beats y
and i'm like o ****
Renonyc 1:19 pm
b/c then everyone playing at their best
AlukardEMP 1:19 pm
lesson learned ...
Renonyc 1:20 pm
playing the best each character they can play
will end up playing fox
do u understand ?
AlukardEMP 1:20 pm
nah
Renonyc 1:20 pm
b/c there is still stuff we don't know
AlukardEMP 1:20 pm
not tru
Renonyc 1:20 pm
about each n every character
AlukardEMP 1:20 pm
i think if everyone would know stuff
people would play alot more different chars
Renonyc 1:20 pm
everyone has a hidden advantage unless you know everything about that character
AlukardEMP 1:20 pm
now ay
why does m2k lose ever
Renonyc 1:21 pm
reflex problems
mistakes
etc.
thats part of being human
but im saying
if everyone played like robots
AlukardEMP 1:21 pm
exactly
Renonyc 1:21 pm
in a general sense
AlukardEMP 1:21 pm
so wat i'm saying
Renonyc 1:21 pm
everyone would play fox
AlukardEMP 1:21 pm
is that if people knew wat beats wat
Renonyc 1:21 pm
cause hes blatantly the best character
AlukardEMP 1:21 pm
it would be street fighter
dead ***
so is ryu
but people learned to bait him
because they know his limits
they know inside and out a lot of ****
Renonyc 1:22 pm
but thats the thing thats why people would choose different characters to have figured something that the opponent hasn't about the character to get the upper hand
AlukardEMP 1:22 pm
why is sagat not winning either
Renonyc 1:22 pm
he SI
he IS
AlukardEMP 1:22 pm
nothing big tho
Renonyc 1:22 pm
ppl dont choose him out of guilt.
AlukardEMP 1:22 pm
i'm just saying
spreading the knowledge hurts only the weak
Renonyc 1:22 pm
if you play to win, you always want the upperhand.
in some way.
AlukardEMP 1:23 pm
in every way
i think thats why m2k is losing now
i strongly believe that
no one knew about a lot of ****
Renonyc 1:23 pm
m2k is losing b/c he doens't have confidence and he doens't practice
AlukardEMP 1:23 pm
i dunno
people are playing amazing vs him now
its like its an even playing field when he plays
Renonyc 1:23 pm
but thats also it
u see
AlukardEMP 1:23 pm
have u been watching like tourney matches now
everyone is sooo good
Renonyc 1:23 pm
m2k is giving away his secret
s
Renonyc 1:24 pm
that he made
that he crafted to give him the upperhand
AlukardEMP 1:24 pm
making all these amazing decisions because the game is getting back to the old days with fuel
Renonyc 1:24 pm
he may not be telling you personally in words
AlukardEMP 1:24 pm
with people posting and askign questions and being creative
Renonyc 1:24 pm
but hes showing everyone when the matches are recorded
ppl are stealing ****
AlukardEMP 1:24 pm
its not stealing
Renonyc 1:24 pm
and making it their own
AlukardEMP 1:24 pm
ur using the same gun
lmfao
Renonyc 1:24 pm
but u wouldn't ever have thought about using that
until
he DID IT
u take their strategy
and incorporate it into your own
and then you know what to look for
when they try it on you
its like some megaman **** man
AlukardEMP 1:25 pm
exactly
megaman is the best
because he can fight
and then evens out the playing field
Renonyc 1:25 pm
>_<
ugh
Renonyc 1:26 pm
not at all
AlukardEMP 1:26 pm
thatsexactly wat i'm saying
Renonyc 1:26 pm
u have megaman vs megaman
megaman 1 has 4 skills
megaman 2 has 10 skills
megaman 2 also has all the skills that counter megaman's 4 skills
megaman 2 will obviously win
megaman 1 then asks megaman 2, can u show me skills 5-10
megaman 2 says no.
megaman 1 vs megaman 2's match was recorded
AlukardEMP 1:27 pm
thats pushing it
lol
Renonyc 1:27 pm
megaman 1
reviews the tape
megaman 1 learns skills 5-10
AlukardEMP 1:27 pm
and then
its even
lol
Renonyc 1:27 pm
and then megaman2 is out of advantages
AlukardEMP 1:27 pm
i dont understand how u dont see this as even
Renonyc 1:27 pm
but why would he want that?
Ever?
why would he want it to be even?
AlukardEMP 1:27 pm
so then
u can get more people to enter
and then beat everyone
and win more money
get top 8
get sponsored
Renonyc 1:28 pm
beat everyone only because he has a SECRET 11th skill
Renonyc 1:28 pm
that YOU
would complain
AlukardEMP 1:28 pm
no
bro
Renonyc 1:28 pm
hes not teaching u
AlukardEMP 1:28 pm
defintiely not
Renonyc 1:28 pm
and its uneven again
AlukardEMP 1:28 pm
wat i'm trying to say
Renonyc 1:28 pm
if you wanted something "even" play h3
everyone knows everything about everything
everyone is a spartan
no advantages besides for the maps themselves
thats how it is in smash
in fact even in h3 still
if u dont practice
u dont know the certain nade spots
the jump hiding spots
etc. etc.
then ur eview the tape and it becomes even, you still have to suffer that lost
loss*
in smash things move a bit faster, not as much instant re-playability, but when u watch a video
several times
and figure it out
and steal their ****
you even the playing field and whoever has a pocket "extra" skill
will win
AlukardEMP 1:30 pm
well theres really no secrets in h3
because
its a law in mlg
to record
matches
for that reason
Renonyc 1:30 pm
yeah this is my first season in mlg
i dont watch any videoes
AlukardEMP 1:30 pm
did u know its like that for sports too
Renonyc 1:30 pm
i just play
i get my *** handed to me
AlukardEMP 1:30 pm
because u have to be FAIR
no one sponsors secrets
Renonyc 1:30 pm
they come up with new STRATEGIES
thats their SECRET
AlukardEMP 1:31 pm
yes thats fine but the strats can only go so far
then it becomes a real fight
Renonyc 1:31 pm
no strats can counter other strats
strats make H3
AlukardEMP 1:31 pm
woot
i just convinced u
Renonyc 1:31 pm
of what
AlukardEMP 1:31 pm
u are agreeing with me
strats
will become the metagame
not o **** i didn't know nair beat bair
Renonyc 1:31 pm
strategy "is" the metagame in h3.
AlukardEMP 1:31 pm
no i mean for fighters
theres strats in SF4
theres things u shouldn't do
AlukardEMP 1:32 pm
and its widely known
Renonyc 1:32 pm
there are fakeouts and mindgames in sf4
AlukardEMP 1:32 pm
yea i kno that
listen to wat i'm saying
!
lol
Renonyc 1:32 pm
but u can't just take the arguement for a team 4 on 4 everyone is a spartan shooter
and then apply it to a completely different system
you were just saying yourself how characters matter
in smas
h
AlukardEMP 1:33 pm
it does
and u were saying
if everyone knew everything
everyone would play fox
Renonyc 1:33 pm
everyone would pick fox
yes
AlukardEMP 1:33 pm
thats not tru
Renonyc 1:33 pm
if everyone played like robots
100%
AlukardEMP 1:33 pm
but we are human
Renonyc 1:33 pm
fox has the best matchups
vs everyone
AlukardEMP 1:33 pm
i think sheik is still a character that should be winning more
Renonyc 1:33 pm
im saying tho ideally ,the best player with the best techskill wit hthe best everything with all the knowledge
AlukardEMP 1:33 pm
at least 2nd or 3rd every tournament
Renonyc 1:33 pm
would play fox
but does she?
no
b/c everyone knows everything about sheik now
AlukardEMP 1:34 pm
have u seen
the boards *****
falco is excelling
AlukardEMP 1:34 pm
because
mango did well with him
listen
stop thinking one minded ****
lol
jiggs WENT OFF THE CHARTS
after pound 3
theres stuff to learn with sheik
i'm saying people should talk more about it
thats wat a character discussion is about
its abot learning
Renonyc 1:35 pm
If I mained jiggs
and i were as good as mango
i wouldn't say ****.
i'd keep winning.
sure
to friends
id be like
oh this this and this
but i wouldn't offer my super strategy
why would anyone give up their trump
?
AlukardEMP 1:36 pm
well thats my friend
is greedy
and isn't the right thing
which is why we only have a handful of good people
Renonyc 1:37 pm
but thats a moral issue.
AlukardEMP 1:37 pm
not true
this can be related to soo much more
but i rather not get into ti
it*
Renonyc 1:38 pm
o_O
AlukardEMP 1:38 pm
because i seriously feel that when it comes down to it all ... its a stalemate
its all on what ur looking to get from w.e it is ur doing
but thats what i mean when i was talking about the community
it wont grow
AlukardEMP 1:39 pm
i just dont agree with everything
Renonyc 1:39 pm
it wont grow b/c people aren't enticed by an 8 yr old game
it took me
montsh
to get good
people also dont devote that amount of time
you want every game of smash
to be a game of chess
AlukardEMP 1:40 pm
ok agreed that at this point in time
Renonyc 1:40 pm
chess is relatively even
AlukardEMP 1:40 pm
its too old to appeal
but back then
Renonyc 1:40 pm
right?
chess is relatively even
there are advantages and disadvatanges in going first / second
AlukardEMP 1:40 pm
chess would be more of a halo thing
Renonyc 1:40 pm
so u want smash
to be like chess
but currently
AlukardEMP 1:40 pm
yes
Renonyc 1:40 pm
smash is like chess
but
either white
or black
has an extra rook
or bishop
or queen
that they are hiding
do u get what im trying to say?
AlukardEMP 1:41 pm
i feel that the SF franchise is more like chess
yes i know wat ur saying reno
AlukardEMP 1:41 pm
but i just feel that the game would be 1000000 times better if things weren't kept in
Renonyc 1:41 pm
its not that we have everything laid out in front, there are things we just dont know and some people won't tell us how to get the konami code b/c they want to have that extra ace
AlukardEMP 1:41 pm
i dunno i really feel like the WC is more helpful towards one another
exactly
Renonyc 1:42 pm
ec is better still =x
dun wanna hear it
hahahaha llulululululul
AlukardEMP 1:42 pm
lmfao
ok
lets end it there
we should post this sumwhere on the boards tho
Renonyc 1:42 pm
u have my permission to do so
AlukardEMP 1:42 pm
i am really really looking forward to reading peoples responses ...
i just hope stupid people dont post >_>
but thats inevitable
lmfao
Renonyc 1:43 pm
i dunno how mayn ppl are gonna actually respond~~ or read the entire conversation
AlukardEMP 1:43 pm
werd
lmfao
well the other 1298794385 argumentive souls out there will
AlukardEMP 1:43 pm
cuz this all started from teams is equal skill with singles
Renonyc 1:43 pm
-_-'
AlukardEMP 1:43 pm
lolololololol
Renonyc 1:44 pm
which isn't SO!
AlukardEMP 1:44 pm
i beg to differ
=d
Renonyc 1:44 pm
b/c i said so. game over.
end conversation
period x100000000000 infinity
i win
harharharhar
and u know how i did that ? because i typed infinity.
and u didnt know about it.
thats why i win.
AlukardEMP 1:44 pm
LMFAOOOO
Renonyc 1:44 pm
and now when u argue something else with me and use "infinity
"
ill say
AlukardEMP 1:45 pm
dam melee is deep
lmfao
Renonyc 1:45 pm
hahahah infinity + 1
i win again
mwahwhahwhahw
thats what MELEE IS
in a nutshell.
AlukardEMP 1:45 pm
brb lol i gotta get me some coffee
lol
AlukardEMP 1:52 pm
back
where the **** would i post this ****
lol
Renonyc 1:52 pm
i have no idea
no one reads general discussion
u can put it in
atlantic north
AlukardEMP 1:53 pm
k
AlukardEMP 1:56 pm
yo
what were u doing when i was talking to u
Renonyc is offline 1:57 pm
IMs are delivered when the buddy signs in. Send Renonyc a text message
AlukardEMP 1:57 pm
i mean like u know i'm going to describe the convo like ... i was kinda fishing for an aqrgument cuz i'm al angry at work
Renonyc is available 1:57 pm
Totally weird that I have 2 new people who added me to their buddy lists, but I haven't added anyone. wth. 1d and 1h ago Comment
AlukardEMP 1:57 pm
lol
i mean like u know i'm going to describe the convo like ... i was kinda fishing for an aqrgument cuz i'm al angry at work
Renonyc 1:57 pm
huh
u just copy n pasted
twice
?
AlukardEMP 1:58 pm
sry
aim went nuts
Renonyc 1:58 pm
u were fishing for something to do b/c u're bored @ work?
AlukardEMP 1:58 pm
yea
Renonyc 1:58 pm
lulz
AlukardEMP 1:58 pm
this debate
Renonyc 1:58 pm
u sux
lol
AlukardEMP 1:58 pm
came from that
wat were u doing
just bored ?
Renonyc 1:58 pm
playing sf4.
AlukardEMP 1:58 pm
o ok
lol
Renonyc 1:58 pm
n chatting
nuffng much
I really would like to hear some responses about this ... I really like contributing to mayb spreading the game ... to mayb even the brawl kids that thought the game was amazing but saw the defaults in brawl. I'm sry if u play brawl and take it serious, but lets be serious its not on any level compared to the depth of melee.
anyway just please post your opinions! I'm really trying to work on getting sponsors for this game because i think it deserves every dollar !
Renonyc 12:35 pm
alukard
plz
tell me u are there
AlukardEMP 12:35 pm
yea
wassup
?
Renonyc 12:36 pm
omg
OH MY GOD
ALUKARD
AlukardEMP 12:36 pm
wa
Renonyc 12:36 pm
I DID
AlukardEMP 12:36 pm
?!?!?!
Renonyc 12:36 pm
THE
1 FRAME
CANCEL
EX-CANCEL TO ULTRA
O_O
AlukardEMP 12:36 pm
viper
Renonyc 12:36 pm
nooo
abel
abel's EX -change of direction to ULTRA
after absorbing a hit
AlukardEMP 12:37 pm
that doesn't sound to hard
Renonyc 12:37 pm
...
AlukardEMP 12:37 pm
i mean only cuz its still the same motion
i can see it being easier
AlukardEMP 12:37 pm
i'm sry lol ... i dont wanna take away credit or anything
especially since u are so happy lol
Renonyc 12:37 pm
i need u to see it
its the hardest manuever in all of sf4
AlukardEMP 12:38 pm
really
?
Renonyc 12:38 pm
im finding u a good video
AlukardEMP 12:39 pm
lol
k
Renonyc 12:39 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moF_4kBL4Sc
thats balrogs version
AlukardEMP 12:40 pm
i can sooo see u churnning that butter for abel tho
i mean it doesn't sound hard for him
lol
Renonyc 12:40 pm
definitely WAS!
mad hard!
but only b/c i was doing
AlukardEMP 12:41 pm
balrogs looks O_o'
Renonyc 12:41 pm
the ex change of direction
so i can continue it
AlukardEMP 12:42 pm
this is wild
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEEjcSzAfu0&feature=related
Renonyc 12:42 pm
yep
anYHOO
THAT **** IS HARD
2 DO
=x
ALMOST AS HARD AS SHADALOO
Renonyc 12:44 pm
lululul
AlukardEMP 12:44 pm
shadaloo?
Renonyc 12:44 pm
nvm
AlukardEMP 12:44 pm
-___-
reno is s SF4 head now lmfao
Renonyc 12:46 pm
nahhh
lol
its just easier to play other ppl
than smash
hAlukardEMP 12:46 pm
yea i know
that is tru
but theres no doubles!!!
LOL
so it gets kinda boring to me >_>
Renonyc 12:48 pm
singles is all about that skillies
no dependence
AlukardEMP 12:48 pm
ummm
not tru
lol
that makes no sense LOLOL
Renonyc 12:49 pm
how does that make no sense
AlukardEMP 12:49 pm
listen to wat u said
how wouldn't it take skill
y did jesus and m2k **** at genesis and zhu and m2k can't win ****
and they teamed twice
AlukardEMP 12:50 pm
cuz zhu isn't better then jesus
why do me and g$ do so well in doubles ...
because we take it serious and practice at it
Renonyc 12:51 pm
it doesn't take "more" skill
AlukardEMP 12:51 pm
i didn't say that
i think its the same
Renonyc 12:51 pm
i dont think its the same at all
AlukardEMP 12:51 pm
it is
Renonyc 12:51 pm
theres a certain amount of dependence on your partner to do well
its not an independent
thing
AlukardEMP 12:52 pm
well thats why u practice
Renonyc 12:52 pm
no
listen
AlukardEMP 12:52 pm
lol no?
Renonyc 12:52 pm
you're not getting the argumenet
AlukardEMP 12:52 pm
ur just saying that wat if ur partner does bad that one game
Renonyc 12:52 pm
i didnt say that at all brian
i said
AlukardEMP 12:52 pm
well i mean that can be said about urself in singles
u dont have to depend on ur partner
Renonyc 12:52 pm
no it cannot.
AlukardEMP 12:52 pm
yes it can
Renonyc 12:52 pm
in singles
AlukardEMP 12:52 pm
wat u can choke in singles
Renonyc 12:52 pm
its independent
theres no dependence
AlukardEMP 12:53 pm
just like u can choke in doubles
so because ur dependant on ur partner ... it takes no skill
Renonyc 12:53 pm
i didnt say it takes no skill
AlukardEMP 12:53 pm
that is the original argument
Renonyc 12:53 pm
did u see me say at all
?
i said singles is all about the skillies
i didnt diss doubles
in any way
doubles takes skill too
takes chemistry between partners
but
regardless if one person is having a rough day
there can be people to over shadow the teammate
for instance
mango +
anyone
mango obviously just does better
theres an immense amount of co-dependency
by his teammate
is what im saying
in singles theres no one to support you
you are on your own
Renonyc 12:55 pm
and it shines your individual skills the best.
as a player.
you don't go around saying yo im the BEST.. at doubles.
it doesn't make sense
AlukardEMP 12:55 pm
not true
it does
look at darc
look at isai
Renonyc 12:55 pm
?
they've been great at both singles and doubles
every great singles player has been great at doubles.
but not vice versa
AlukardEMP 12:55 pm
but no where near as good as they are in doubles
Renonyc 12:56 pm
they seem better in doubles b/c of the co-dependency on their teammate
AlukardEMP 12:56 pm
lmfao
forget it
ur just going to say that about everything
Renonyc 12:56 pm
you haven't even given a valid arguement
AlukardEMP 12:56 pm
it doesn't apply to just every aspect of doubles bro
Renonyc 12:57 pm
you just said
AlukardEMP 12:57 pm
yes i have
Renonyc 12:57 pm
doubles takes a lot of skill
AlukardEMP 12:57 pm
doubles takes just as much skill
Renonyc 12:57 pm
not just as much
AlukardEMP 12:57 pm
as singles
Renonyc 12:57 pm
at all
AlukardEMP 12:57 pm
its even a different mindset
Renonyc 12:57 pm
AT ALL.
AlukardEMP 12:57 pm
u dont have to always chase
Renonyc 12:57 pm
looking at an individual stand point
for instance
AlukardEMP 12:57 pm
u can zone better
Renonyc 12:57 pm
u n G$
AlukardEMP 12:57 pm
because u have ur partner
Renonyc 12:57 pm
hear me out
u n G$
for instance
lets say G$ sucks at edge gaurding
AlukardEMP 12:57 pm
he does
Renonyc 12:57 pm
u do alll the edgeguarding
right?
lets just say
AlukardEMP 12:57 pm
majority
Renonyc 12:58 pm
it SHOWS.
AlukardEMP 12:58 pm
unless he is falco
Renonyc 12:58 pm
no
no characters
lets take hypotheticals
you do 100% of edgeguarding
G$ hits on stage.
it SHOWS, that where his skill lies
as an individual player
and it will SHOW when he plays singles
AlukardEMP 12:58 pm
but thats the way it is tho
Renonyc 12:58 pm
b/c he can't edgeguard
AlukardEMP 12:58 pm
where one person sucks
Renonyc 12:58 pm
do u know what i mean?
AlukardEMP 12:58 pm
the other excels
Renonyc 12:58 pm
but
thats just IT
the individual skill
is still there
Renonyc 12:59 pm
and it doesn't take just as much skill to play doubles because you have your partner
to back u up
where u fail
AlukardEMP 12:59 pm
and then the it gets balanced by the players
Renonyc 12:59 pm
do u get what im saying?
AlukardEMP 12:59 pm
yes it does
WTf
Renonyc 12:59 pm
>_<
AlukardEMP 12:59 pm
that means ur have to be on point
Renonyc 12:59 pm
omg
AlukardEMP 12:59 pm
like the person that takes care of a certain job
Renonyc 12:59 pm
brian stop warping the arguement you're bringing in like a million variables.
what does being on point have to do with anythig
AlukardEMP 1:00 pm
thats like saying support in halo suck at FFA
Renonyc 1:00 pm
G$ doing his BEST
CANT
EDGUARD
YOU DO ALL THE EDGEGUARDING
when he plays singles
he can't edgeguard
AlukardEMP 1:00 pm
***** this is an age old convo ... and melee is the ONLY community that thinks with their head up their butt
lol
Renonyc 1:00 pm
and thats why he doesn't NEED to worry as much in doubles (LESS SKILL) because you are there to do it for him
AlukardEMP 1:01 pm
but wat i'm saying
Renonyc 1:01 pm
where you don't excel your partner picks up the slack
AlukardEMP 1:01 pm
is that yes he has to do one thing less
Renonyc 1:01 pm
yes
AlukardEMP 1:01 pm
but has to do some things more
Renonyc 1:01 pm
and thats less skillful
AlukardEMP 1:01 pm
so it should balance it out
Renonyc 1:01 pm
u have to be able to do all around
AlukardEMP 1:01 pm
not tru
thats why theres character differences
Renonyc 1:01 pm
u have to be able to edgeguard at any given chance u know why?
cause your partner could be across the stage
u have to possess every skill
AlukardEMP 1:01 pm
like a jiggs doesn't approach
Renonyc 1:02 pm
to get the kill
AlukardEMP 1:02 pm
she relies on the partner
and thats why she is sooo good at doubles
cuz she just waits
and punishes
man
ur just looking at it one sided
like the whole community
Renonyc 1:02 pm
how is it one sided when it makes complete sense
AlukardEMP 1:02 pm
its like telling somone that got 15 assists and went +3 in halo did meh
but he is support
Renonyc 1:02 pm
no its not
AlukardEMP 1:02 pm
thats his job
Renonyc 1:02 pm
at all
AlukardEMP 1:03 pm
yes it is
Renonyc 1:03 pm
no
not at all
AlukardEMP 1:03 pm
yes yes yes
Renonyc 1:03 pm
just listen to this statement
Renonyc 1:03 pm
Everyone who is good at Singles, is generally pretty good at doubles
Everyone who is good at doubles, isn't neccessarily good at singles.
AlukardEMP 1:03 pm
listen i agree with this for the way the melee community thinks
Renonyc 1:03 pm
do those 2 statements make sense?
AlukardEMP 1:04 pm
but it shouldn't be that way
is wat i'm saying
doubles should be a totally different mindset
it should be filling the gaps
its like a whole different game really
AlukardEMP 1:05 pm
look at peach
and jiggs
and CF
how they change in doubles
because the gaps get filled
Renonyc 1:05 pm
u have seen m2k n jman
haven't u?
they take their opponents
AlukardEMP 1:05 pm
and the partners fill the gaps
Renonyc 1:05 pm
to left and right side
they do 2 singles matches
AlukardEMP 1:06 pm
yea
but when the people stick together they lose
Renonyc 1:06 pm
and they go very far in singles
AlukardEMP 1:06 pm
like mango and pc
they won a couple with peach and jiggs
Renonyc 1:06 pm
im saying chemistry has to be there it strengthens the team, yes it does help
but then 2 super powers
AlukardEMP 1:06 pm
and then when jesus and m2k tried team combos
Renonyc 1:06 pm
get together
AlukardEMP 1:06 pm
they failed
lol
Renonyc 1:06 pm
and they have a much better chance
to win
this is non-character specific brian
AlukardEMP 1:07 pm
but it should be because its an aspect of the game
Renonyc 1:07 pm
lets just take
the best of what they do
Renonyc 1:07 pm
plus they play mains
regardless
they may have a backup
whatever
they have a main character
they usually play
so taking that
M2k + jman
they will seperate you,
single you out on each side of FD
and ****
edgeguard etc.
AlukardEMP 1:08 pm
yea i understand that
Renonyc 1:08 pm
they are both incredible performers in singles
AlukardEMP 1:08 pm
thats their strat tho
Renonyc 1:08 pm
but im saying they don't need any more indepth strategy to be GOOD at doubles
AlukardEMP 1:09 pm
i mean wouldn't u think safer chars like sheik jiggs would bother them back
like peach
Renonyc 1:09 pm
while players that aren't soo good at singles themselves who need their partners to cover their *****
might be better at doubles
AlukardEMP 1:09 pm
because its easy to stick together with her
Renonyc 1:09 pm
if you're good
u can manipulate however u want
AlukardEMP 1:09 pm
i dunno
Renonyc 1:09 pm
like hwat
now
AlukardEMP 1:11 pm
o ok
like the way people practice in this game
theres soooo much depth
AlukardEMP 1:11 pm
but people decide to keep it in
theres maddd stuff that me and u dont know
and we are considered really high level players.
its like on a if u ask i'll tell u stuff basis
and thats dum
when people find things out in the SRK forums or H3 ****
they tell right away
to help the community
alot of people suck granted
but a lot of people dont jump the gap from high level to pro because they lack the help/knowledge someone else got
get me
Renonyc 1:13 pm
ok
AlukardEMP 1:13 pm
i just think the game as a whole would change if people wouldn't just think onesided
Renonyc 1:13 pm
well somepeople dont think if it quite as much as a community
not a "we-play-to-have-fun"
its
i play to win
and why would someone who wins going to give up their trump
so that they can get beat?
AlukardEMP 1:14 pm
yea thats why we are a ****ty community and our sponsors died
cuz all our players quit
after the whole omg i can't understand how he did that ?!?!
Renonyc 1:14 pm
no resolve =/, good players figure **** out for themselves
AlukardEMP 1:14 pm
nah
Renonyc 1:14 pm
cause they try
and try
AlukardEMP 1:14 pm
not tru
theres people that just come into the game
and are good
but need to know ****
like pc
he doesn't know much about the game
and then he just asks around and learned because he did well at the tournies in nyc
wes picked him up and taught him a lot of **** ...
AlukardEMP 1:15 pm
AT's that u obviously need to know to win
Renonyc 1:16 pm
thats the easy way to getting it
AlukardEMP 1:16 pm
theres tons of **** u figure out in this game out of luck
or it happens to fast to understand
Renonyc 1:16 pm
but im sure not ONE person
discovered Wavedashing
but ONE person put it online first
AlukardEMP 1:16 pm
and then
it helped the game greatly
sooo many people started playing because of it
**** i did
Renonyc 1:16 pm
it helped everyone else "level" the playing field and thats that person's perrogative
but its like saying im in war with you, you obviously suck and have no strategy or technology,
HERE
let me teach you to make
bombs
airplanes
etc.
so we can have a fair fight
AlukardEMP 1:17 pm
yes
why is that bad
?
Renonyc 1:17 pm
cause in a WAR
AlukardEMP 1:17 pm
then it becomes skill
Renonyc 1:17 pm
you want to WIN
AlukardEMP 1:17 pm
its not war
AlukardEMP 1:17 pm
its supposed to be fair reno
Renonyc 1:18 pm
with minimal casualties
AlukardEMP 1:18 pm
if not then why have ****ing rules
of banning
Renonyc 1:18 pm
if i know mroe about the game
than you do
and i beat u
AlukardEMP 1:18 pm
i swear this convo is godly
Renonyc 1:18 pm
then u have studying to do
AlukardEMP 1:18 pm
i'm sooo posting it on smashboards lmfao
LMFAO
Renonyc 1:18 pm
im not gonna give you my strategy
to beating you
anyone who is doing that is obviously being "nice"
AlukardEMP 1:18 pm
i understand wat ur saying
Renonyc 1:18 pm
i know the community you want is all friendly lovey-dovey
but its not
it is what it is
you learn what u can
from the friends you make
AlukardEMP 1:19 pm
but if really are amazing at the game tho u should be able to beat someone on an even skill
Renonyc 1:19 pm
if you're some noob and someone no one likes
u ask someone for help
they aren't gonna help you
AlukardEMP 1:19 pm
at least even knowledgable
theres tons of times i lose to jesus and he goes
why did u challenge that
x beats y
and i'm like o ****
Renonyc 1:19 pm
b/c then everyone playing at their best
AlukardEMP 1:19 pm
lesson learned ...
Renonyc 1:20 pm
playing the best each character they can play
will end up playing fox
do u understand ?
AlukardEMP 1:20 pm
nah
Renonyc 1:20 pm
b/c there is still stuff we don't know
AlukardEMP 1:20 pm
not tru
Renonyc 1:20 pm
about each n every character
AlukardEMP 1:20 pm
i think if everyone would know stuff
people would play alot more different chars
Renonyc 1:20 pm
everyone has a hidden advantage unless you know everything about that character
AlukardEMP 1:20 pm
now ay
why does m2k lose ever
Renonyc 1:21 pm
reflex problems
mistakes
etc.
thats part of being human
but im saying
if everyone played like robots
AlukardEMP 1:21 pm
exactly
Renonyc 1:21 pm
in a general sense
AlukardEMP 1:21 pm
so wat i'm saying
Renonyc 1:21 pm
everyone would play fox
AlukardEMP 1:21 pm
is that if people knew wat beats wat
Renonyc 1:21 pm
cause hes blatantly the best character
AlukardEMP 1:21 pm
it would be street fighter
dead ***
so is ryu
but people learned to bait him
because they know his limits
they know inside and out a lot of ****
Renonyc 1:22 pm
but thats the thing thats why people would choose different characters to have figured something that the opponent hasn't about the character to get the upper hand
AlukardEMP 1:22 pm
why is sagat not winning either
Renonyc 1:22 pm
he SI
he IS
AlukardEMP 1:22 pm
nothing big tho
Renonyc 1:22 pm
ppl dont choose him out of guilt.
AlukardEMP 1:22 pm
i'm just saying
spreading the knowledge hurts only the weak
Renonyc 1:22 pm
if you play to win, you always want the upperhand.
in some way.
AlukardEMP 1:23 pm
in every way
i think thats why m2k is losing now
i strongly believe that
no one knew about a lot of ****
Renonyc 1:23 pm
m2k is losing b/c he doens't have confidence and he doens't practice
AlukardEMP 1:23 pm
i dunno
people are playing amazing vs him now
its like its an even playing field when he plays
Renonyc 1:23 pm
but thats also it
u see
AlukardEMP 1:23 pm
have u been watching like tourney matches now
everyone is sooo good
Renonyc 1:23 pm
m2k is giving away his secret
s
Renonyc 1:24 pm
that he made
that he crafted to give him the upperhand
AlukardEMP 1:24 pm
making all these amazing decisions because the game is getting back to the old days with fuel
Renonyc 1:24 pm
he may not be telling you personally in words
AlukardEMP 1:24 pm
with people posting and askign questions and being creative
Renonyc 1:24 pm
but hes showing everyone when the matches are recorded
ppl are stealing ****
AlukardEMP 1:24 pm
its not stealing
Renonyc 1:24 pm
and making it their own
AlukardEMP 1:24 pm
ur using the same gun
lmfao
Renonyc 1:24 pm
but u wouldn't ever have thought about using that
until
he DID IT
u take their strategy
and incorporate it into your own
and then you know what to look for
when they try it on you
its like some megaman **** man
AlukardEMP 1:25 pm
exactly
megaman is the best
because he can fight
and then evens out the playing field
Renonyc 1:25 pm
>_<
ugh
Renonyc 1:26 pm
not at all
AlukardEMP 1:26 pm
thatsexactly wat i'm saying
Renonyc 1:26 pm
u have megaman vs megaman
megaman 1 has 4 skills
megaman 2 has 10 skills
megaman 2 also has all the skills that counter megaman's 4 skills
megaman 2 will obviously win
megaman 1 then asks megaman 2, can u show me skills 5-10
megaman 2 says no.
megaman 1 vs megaman 2's match was recorded
AlukardEMP 1:27 pm
thats pushing it
lol
Renonyc 1:27 pm
megaman 1
reviews the tape
megaman 1 learns skills 5-10
AlukardEMP 1:27 pm
and then
its even
lol
Renonyc 1:27 pm
and then megaman2 is out of advantages
AlukardEMP 1:27 pm
i dont understand how u dont see this as even
Renonyc 1:27 pm
but why would he want that?
Ever?
why would he want it to be even?
AlukardEMP 1:27 pm
so then
u can get more people to enter
and then beat everyone
and win more money
get top 8
get sponsored
Renonyc 1:28 pm
beat everyone only because he has a SECRET 11th skill
Renonyc 1:28 pm
that YOU
would complain
AlukardEMP 1:28 pm
no
bro
Renonyc 1:28 pm
hes not teaching u
AlukardEMP 1:28 pm
defintiely not
Renonyc 1:28 pm
and its uneven again
AlukardEMP 1:28 pm
wat i'm trying to say
Renonyc 1:28 pm
if you wanted something "even" play h3
everyone knows everything about everything
everyone is a spartan
no advantages besides for the maps themselves
thats how it is in smash
in fact even in h3 still
if u dont practice
u dont know the certain nade spots
the jump hiding spots
etc. etc.
then ur eview the tape and it becomes even, you still have to suffer that lost
loss*
in smash things move a bit faster, not as much instant re-playability, but when u watch a video
several times
and figure it out
and steal their ****
you even the playing field and whoever has a pocket "extra" skill
will win
AlukardEMP 1:30 pm
well theres really no secrets in h3
because
its a law in mlg
to record
matches
for that reason
Renonyc 1:30 pm
yeah this is my first season in mlg
i dont watch any videoes
AlukardEMP 1:30 pm
did u know its like that for sports too
Renonyc 1:30 pm
i just play
i get my *** handed to me
AlukardEMP 1:30 pm
because u have to be FAIR
no one sponsors secrets
Renonyc 1:30 pm
they come up with new STRATEGIES
thats their SECRET
AlukardEMP 1:31 pm
yes thats fine but the strats can only go so far
then it becomes a real fight
Renonyc 1:31 pm
no strats can counter other strats
strats make H3
AlukardEMP 1:31 pm
woot
i just convinced u
Renonyc 1:31 pm
of what
AlukardEMP 1:31 pm
u are agreeing with me
strats
will become the metagame
not o **** i didn't know nair beat bair
Renonyc 1:31 pm
strategy "is" the metagame in h3.
AlukardEMP 1:31 pm
no i mean for fighters
theres strats in SF4
theres things u shouldn't do
AlukardEMP 1:32 pm
and its widely known
Renonyc 1:32 pm
there are fakeouts and mindgames in sf4
AlukardEMP 1:32 pm
yea i kno that
listen to wat i'm saying
!
lol
Renonyc 1:32 pm
but u can't just take the arguement for a team 4 on 4 everyone is a spartan shooter
and then apply it to a completely different system
you were just saying yourself how characters matter
in smas
h
AlukardEMP 1:33 pm
it does
and u were saying
if everyone knew everything
everyone would play fox
Renonyc 1:33 pm
everyone would pick fox
yes
AlukardEMP 1:33 pm
thats not tru
Renonyc 1:33 pm
if everyone played like robots
100%
AlukardEMP 1:33 pm
but we are human
Renonyc 1:33 pm
fox has the best matchups
vs everyone
AlukardEMP 1:33 pm
i think sheik is still a character that should be winning more
Renonyc 1:33 pm
im saying tho ideally ,the best player with the best techskill wit hthe best everything with all the knowledge
AlukardEMP 1:33 pm
at least 2nd or 3rd every tournament
Renonyc 1:33 pm
would play fox
but does she?
no
b/c everyone knows everything about sheik now
AlukardEMP 1:34 pm
have u seen
the boards *****
falco is excelling
AlukardEMP 1:34 pm
because
mango did well with him
listen
stop thinking one minded ****
lol
jiggs WENT OFF THE CHARTS
after pound 3
theres stuff to learn with sheik
i'm saying people should talk more about it
thats wat a character discussion is about
its abot learning
Renonyc 1:35 pm
If I mained jiggs
and i were as good as mango
i wouldn't say ****.
i'd keep winning.
sure
to friends
id be like
oh this this and this
but i wouldn't offer my super strategy
why would anyone give up their trump
?
AlukardEMP 1:36 pm
well thats my friend
is greedy
and isn't the right thing
which is why we only have a handful of good people
Renonyc 1:37 pm
but thats a moral issue.
AlukardEMP 1:37 pm
not true
this can be related to soo much more
but i rather not get into ti
it*
Renonyc 1:38 pm
o_O
AlukardEMP 1:38 pm
because i seriously feel that when it comes down to it all ... its a stalemate
its all on what ur looking to get from w.e it is ur doing
but thats what i mean when i was talking about the community
it wont grow
AlukardEMP 1:39 pm
i just dont agree with everything
Renonyc 1:39 pm
it wont grow b/c people aren't enticed by an 8 yr old game
it took me
montsh
to get good
people also dont devote that amount of time
you want every game of smash
to be a game of chess
AlukardEMP 1:40 pm
ok agreed that at this point in time
Renonyc 1:40 pm
chess is relatively even
AlukardEMP 1:40 pm
its too old to appeal
but back then
Renonyc 1:40 pm
right?
chess is relatively even
there are advantages and disadvatanges in going first / second
AlukardEMP 1:40 pm
chess would be more of a halo thing
Renonyc 1:40 pm
so u want smash
to be like chess
but currently
AlukardEMP 1:40 pm
yes
Renonyc 1:40 pm
smash is like chess
but
either white
or black
has an extra rook
or bishop
or queen
that they are hiding
do u get what im trying to say?
AlukardEMP 1:41 pm
i feel that the SF franchise is more like chess
yes i know wat ur saying reno
AlukardEMP 1:41 pm
but i just feel that the game would be 1000000 times better if things weren't kept in
Renonyc 1:41 pm
its not that we have everything laid out in front, there are things we just dont know and some people won't tell us how to get the konami code b/c they want to have that extra ace
AlukardEMP 1:41 pm
i dunno i really feel like the WC is more helpful towards one another
exactly
Renonyc 1:42 pm
ec is better still =x
dun wanna hear it
hahahaha llulululululul
AlukardEMP 1:42 pm
lmfao
ok
lets end it there
we should post this sumwhere on the boards tho
Renonyc 1:42 pm
u have my permission to do so
AlukardEMP 1:42 pm
i am really really looking forward to reading peoples responses ...
i just hope stupid people dont post >_>
but thats inevitable
lmfao
Renonyc 1:43 pm
i dunno how mayn ppl are gonna actually respond~~ or read the entire conversation
AlukardEMP 1:43 pm
werd
lmfao
well the other 1298794385 argumentive souls out there will
AlukardEMP 1:43 pm
cuz this all started from teams is equal skill with singles
Renonyc 1:43 pm
-_-'
AlukardEMP 1:43 pm
lolololololol
Renonyc 1:44 pm
which isn't SO!
AlukardEMP 1:44 pm
i beg to differ
=d
Renonyc 1:44 pm
b/c i said so. game over.
end conversation
period x100000000000 infinity
i win
harharharhar
and u know how i did that ? because i typed infinity.
and u didnt know about it.
thats why i win.
AlukardEMP 1:44 pm
LMFAOOOO
Renonyc 1:44 pm
and now when u argue something else with me and use "infinity
"
ill say
AlukardEMP 1:45 pm
dam melee is deep
lmfao
Renonyc 1:45 pm
hahahah infinity + 1
i win again
mwahwhahwhahw
thats what MELEE IS
in a nutshell.
AlukardEMP 1:45 pm
brb lol i gotta get me some coffee
lol
AlukardEMP 1:52 pm
back
where the **** would i post this ****
lol
Renonyc 1:52 pm
i have no idea
no one reads general discussion
u can put it in
atlantic north
AlukardEMP 1:53 pm
k
AlukardEMP 1:56 pm
yo
what were u doing when i was talking to u
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AlukardEMP 1:57 pm
i mean like u know i'm going to describe the convo like ... i was kinda fishing for an aqrgument cuz i'm al angry at work
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AlukardEMP 1:57 pm
lol
i mean like u know i'm going to describe the convo like ... i was kinda fishing for an aqrgument cuz i'm al angry at work
Renonyc 1:57 pm
huh
u just copy n pasted
twice
?
AlukardEMP 1:58 pm
sry
aim went nuts
Renonyc 1:58 pm
u were fishing for something to do b/c u're bored @ work?
AlukardEMP 1:58 pm
yea
Renonyc 1:58 pm
lulz
AlukardEMP 1:58 pm
this debate
Renonyc 1:58 pm
u sux
lol
AlukardEMP 1:58 pm
came from that
wat were u doing
just bored ?
Renonyc 1:58 pm
playing sf4.
AlukardEMP 1:58 pm
o ok
lol
Renonyc 1:58 pm
n chatting
nuffng much
