What does Atlantic North think??

[DJ Nintendo]

*Bowser subscribes

I read the whole conversation and just laughed the entire time lol. Doubles takes alot of skill. Let me give you guys an example. Me & WarriorKnight are mad beast in singles. We entered Genesis and ***** mad people with pretty much the sh*ttiest team in Melee, double Bowser lol. You know all the stuff we gotta through with that team to pull off a win. There are so much things to think about in doubles, even if you're a team that singles people out like M2K & Jman. Its definitely a different mindset. I go through alot of stuff in doubles, especially with the characters I use lol. Although I make it work lol. THERE ARE MAD MINDGAMES IN DOUBLES. Maybe not as much as singles, but there's definitely alot. I'm the perfect example lol.

 

[CanISmash]

reno doesn't make sense. teamwork is teamwork. no **** theres individuality in it... you guys aren't holding hands playing teams but you can be the better team and terrible individuals.

like no offense i may not be 100% correct but g$ and alukard never place like above say 5th in singles.??but there always at least top 3 in doubles. they're a better team than they are individually.

 

[White_Mike]

Well if people are going to argue that great chemistry can make up for lack of skill, then you're basically saying that doubles takes less skill...lol.

Doubles takes different types of skills but I think singles is better for determining player skill and the reason for that is because it's more skill based and it is independent.

Plus I'd probably argue that bowser is a better character in doubles then singles because...I mean he can't get much worse can he? lol

Winning with Double Bowser is **** and shows mad skill yeah, and there will always be special cases in anything melee related, but I still think singles take smore skill.

It's all just opinion.

 

[Eggm]

What everyone is trying to get at is that Singles is a better tool for judging skill than doubles. Kinda like how Neutrals are better for the same reason than CP stages. They provide more consistent accurate results for the more skilled player(s) to win. Does that say that doubles or CP stages take less skill ? Not really just different kinds of skills that don't necessarily prove to be as consistent as singles/neutrals.

 

[teh_spamerer]

LK hasn't played since 1964 and he still did that to you semi-recently, lol. Toooo good. It's cuz he's so beast at MB/BB.

Did...what exactly? All I said was we trained and got better fighting each other and coming up with new strats. Playing once is hardly training.

 

[Cia]

Reno - what are my stats? :o

Also, Singles and Doubles should never be compared as far as "which takes more skill" is concerned. They're both played on the same fighting system with the same characters. Only difference is the number of players on in a match and that's where different strategies are required to excel your field.

Not only that, but this game hasn't been cracked 100 percent. There are still too many things to learn, and until then, you can't even begin to judge which event takes more skill because they're always changing.

 

[SypherPhoenix]

Imagine playing standard chess, one vs. one.

Now, imagine playing chess with two people on each color. The teammates alternate moving their side's pieces every turn*. While all 4 players involved are able to see the entire board at any time, they are not allowed to speak or otherwise communicate to one another.


* such as turn 1, player 1; turn 2, player 2; turn 3, player 1; turn 4, player 2 etc.

 

[toasty]

Wow I actually read the whole thing...though after that I won't bother reading the posts in this thread just yet...just wanted to say:

1) I don't know if I could ever go into an argument with you, Alukard...I'd probably get really frustrated haha

2)

Renonyc 12:57 pm
hear me out
u n G$
for instance
lets say G$ sucks at edge gaurding

AlukardEMP 12:57 pm
he does

had me DYING LOL

 

[Inui]

*Bowser subscribes

I read the whole conversation and just laughed the entire time lol. Doubles takes alot of skill. Let me give you guys an example. Me & WarriorKnight are mad beast in singles. We entered Genesis and ***** mad people with pretty much the sh*ttiest team in Melee, double Bowser lol. You know all the stuff we gotta through with that team to pull off a win. There are so much things to think about in doubles, even if you're a team that singles people out like M2K & Jman. Its definitely a different mindset. I go through alot of stuff in doubles, especially with the characters I use lol. Although I make it work lol. THERE ARE MAD MINDGAMES IN DOUBLES. Maybe not as much as singles, but there's definitely alot. I'm the perfect example lol.

<3

Did...what exactly? All I said was we trained and got better fighting each other and coming up with new strats. Playing once is hardly training.

When we went over your place he did really well against you in Melee despite not playing in forever and definitely playing way less than you. It's because he has your style down. That's all.

 

[slikvik]

just frame moves are hard as ****

DOUBLES > singles

don't reveal your secrets if you want to win

 

[Alukard]

Wow I actually read the whole thing...though after that I won't bother reading the posts in this thread just yet...just wanted to say:

1) I don't know if I could ever go into an argument with you, Alukard...I'd probably get really frustrated haha

2)
had me DYING LOL

hahaha ... well me and reno do this a lot its really fun lololo

also G$ is getting better at edge guarding ... i guess cuz me reno hazz and hbk **** on him for it lmfao

 

[Ryan-K]

i wanna know my stats LOL

also i think skills from singles carry over better into doubles than vice versa. also the skills that you get in singles or playing in general such as quick thinking improvisation etc help you get alot better alot quicker at important things in doubles such as observation and teamwork. communication is the biggest part of doubles tho but i also think its underrated.

 

[Alukard]

i'mmm sooo much better at doubles then singles ... and it pisses me off -___-

 

[Rain(ame)]

Mogwai said it best...it isn't a matter of whether it has "less skill" or not.

It is a different skill and mindset when you play teams. It's like trying to compare 3d fighter to 2d fighters. You can't really do it. They are different games with different mechanics.

Edit: It was an interesting read, btw. Alu and Reno going on a super long debate, xD.

I can't agree with the "Don't reveal your secrets" comments at all. The more the community comes together, in general, the better we do. (Especially as of late in fighting games) The community has come together even more and what has happened? We are able to stop marveling so much at the Japanese players and are starting to compete with them.

Japanese (and in some games Korean) players are just that good because they share and discuss. If you keep it to yourself...you're going to have an edge...yes, but what happens when someone "downloads" your style? If they share it with everyone, you get screwed out of yourself. Why? Because when you try to overcome it...people probably won't share with YOU because YOU had that attitude. This isn't saying that you have to share every little detail of your style, granted. Still...don't be secretive about what you do. Players that have others to play tend to get better than players that play alone.

Sanford Kelly beat Daigo twice yesterday. I'm sure he did some kind of information sharing with Justin Wong. Even though Sanford probably wanted to beat Wong himself. (Which Wong ravaged him, lol.) If Wong had have been like "Eff you Sanford, I ain't tellin' NOTHING!!!" Chances are, he wouldn't have gotten 1st at the tournament. (Daigo would have probably destroyed Wong's team.)

Sharing strats is the key to getting better. Even if it's just a video that you see...you can understand something better if you know about it. Then see it from another person's point of view, and understand it more. Different people use things in different ways. They might even decide to discard a technique all together and not worry about it.

 

[Pierce7d]

I'll just drop a quick .02

I always tell people how to beat me, so I can evolve my own metagame as rapidly as possible. I don't want to get stuck on relying on a strategy that is bound to eventually fail. If I can figure out how to beat me, someone else will too. Instead of waiting for that to come crashing down on me, I just keep evolving as quickly as possible.

I am one of the best people at reading and understanding why people make the decisions they do. You don't have secrets from me <3. Rather than working on understanding players, I just understand the game. Everything else falls into place. I acknowledge this as both a weakness and a strength.

Doubles takes different skills than singles. Also, it is false that everyone who is good at singles is generally good at doubles. Excuse me for the Brawl, but I'll pull up ADHD, and a most Falco mains as a key example.

To be fair, generally, skill in smash is a compilation of a player's understanding, combined with their technical abilities. Someone who is good in both these aspects will generally do well in both formats. In doubles, your partner can cover your ***, but there is also more work to do. I believe, overall, doubles takes a bit more skill, but singles is by far a greater measure of skill. Competing in a setting with more variables takes more skill. However, to measure skill, removing some of those variables is better.

 

[Alukard]

I'll just drop a quick .02

I always tell people how to beat me, so I can evolve my own metagame as rapidly as possible. I don't want to get stuck on relying on a strategy that is bound to eventually fail. If I can figure out how to beat me, someone else will too. Instead of waiting for that to come crashing down on me, I just keep evolving as quickly as possible.

I am one of the best people at reading and understanding why people make the decisions they do. You don't have secrets from me <3. Rather than working on understanding players, I just understand the game. Everything else falls into place. I acknowledge this as both a weakness and a strength.

Doubles takes different skills than singles. Also, it is false that everyone who is good at singles is generally good at doubles. Excuse me for the Brawl, but I'll pull up ADHD, and a most Falco mains as a key example.

To be fair, generally, skill in smash is a compilation of a player's understanding, combined with their technical abilities. Someone who is good in both these aspects will generally do well in both formats. In doubles, your partner can cover your ***, but there is also more work to do. I believe, overall, doubles takes a bit more skill, but singles is by far a greater measure of skill. Competing in a setting with more variables takes more skill. However, to measure skill, removing some of those variables is better.

good ****ing **** pierce ... i totally agree ... i'm trying to improve my singles game ... but its taking me soo long to get as good as i am in doubles ... i hope reno eats his words because i got second yet again even beating some really good teams that i didn't know i could beat people that good

 

[R3N0]

Why would I eat my words? You did exactly as I said. People who are good at doubles aren't necessarily good at singles. ? But people who are good at singles are generally pretty good at doubles. Lol good try tho.

 

[EmuKiller]

R3NO is 100 percent correct.

 

[Cactuar]

*yawn*

Boring read.

There are different skill requirements for good doubles play than in singles. It doesn't make it more or less skillful. The same basic skill core is applied to both, but you drop a large portion of the singles punishment game and pick up a completely different push and pull game. Being "good" at doubles can be accomplished in a wide variety of ways, such as just being a monster in singles play, or having phenomenal team chemistry and team work. It is really just a matter of preference.

There are many paths to being a good player, both in singles and in doubles. Unfortunately, doubles skill does not transfer nearly as easily to singles play than vice versa.

 

[Alukard]

*yawn*

Boring read.

There are different skill requirements for good doubles play than in singles. It doesn't make it more or less skillful. The same basic skill core is applied to both, but you drop a large portion of the singles punishment game and pick up a completely different push and pull game. Being "good" at doubles can be accomplished in a wide variety of ways, such as just being a monster in singles play, or having phenomenal team chemistry and team work. It is really just a matter of preference.

There are many paths to being a good player, both in singles and in doubles. Unfortunately, doubles skill does not transfer nearly as easily to singles play than vice versa.

believe me i know that last sentence all too well

thats why ur gonna help me right cactus =] LOL

 

[DJ Nintendo]

I can help you Alukard =)