Westeros Mafia - Night 6 - ENDGAME - THE NORTH REMEMBERS

[#HBC | Nabe]

Why try and kill us off. I feel betrayed.

Bard was promising that I'd get to hang out with a three-person house and coast to endgame. On his honour, he said. You were the only other house with three members, hence, a threat. And I didn't like it when I heard that you were talking to Holder and the Targs, and you were basically ignoring me, so I decided to agree to it.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Bard was promising that I'd get to hang out with a three-person house and coast to endgame. On his honour, he said. You were the only other house with three members, hence, a threat. And I didn't like it when I heard that you were talking to Holder and the Targs, and you were basically ignoring me, so I decided to agree to it.

Welp that’s my fault for the weekend, everyone was trying to talk with our house and I was busy with friends.

24 hour days,

Anyways where we at now?

 

[BarDulL]

Bard was promising that I'd get to hang out with a three-person house and coast to endgame. On his honour, he said. You were the only other house with three members, hence, a threat. And I didn't like it when I heard that you were talking to Holder and the Targs, and you were basically ignoring me, so I decided to agree to it.

We're both actually going to laugh about this in post game when we both realize what we think happened is not actually the case, but I respect that you are vying for your win condition despite this unfortunate turn of events.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

The point is, Bard isn't an obvious ally, he's an awful ally. And if they really are the White Walkers, rather than just being conniving skinchangers, then they definitely have a solo wincon, too.

 

[Coricus]

That doesn't make sense. He only targeted Disfunc. Is your role related to your “visions in the flame”?

Oh hey, look at what Bard sent me last night

Nah flames are an alliance check. Which at THIS stage is useless because either we're walking away with an alliance to our name and by dint of that know who everyone else is allied with, or we all gun die.

I suppose on the current topic I may as well note that Praline, who's allied with BarDuIl, was pushing for our faction to target Holder and promising OUR faction a coast. But at this point I care less about loyalty and more how this phase plays out.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

There's another flavour explanation, too, but it's more of the same. House Bolton took over Winterfell in the show, and could easily have Stark as a fakeclaim. They're a house who like to flay their enemies and wear their skin.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Coricus

You would know better than me -- is praline likely to be their roleblocker?

 

[Coricus]

Coricus

You would know better than me -- is praline likely to be their roleblocker?

Hell I wouldn't know, Red seems to be the only one in the loop on any factions.

All praline has said to me has pretty much been vague requests for us to do certain things over the past couple night phases, which barring the hypothetical scenario of them being the ones to have taken out Ryu hasn't really been any trouble for us despite the lack of info.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Vote: Bard
Until / unless we have a better idea who the roleblocker is, this is the best vote. And Bard is probably the roleblocker anyway, for that matter.

 

[BarDulL]

Alright, here's my understanding of some pertinent events.

1. Nabe claimed that Shish, myself, and praline, visited Holder last night. I am skeptical of this result (with the exception of my visit as well as praline's). BUT, if he isn't lying, something really bizarre happened and somehow Shish was seen visiting Holder. This has nothing to do with Arya. Don't know what else to say about it, so it's one of those "take it or leave it" type deals, I guess.

2. People have claimed that Holder needed to be hit twice to die, apparently? He never claimed to us, so we of House Stark didn't know about it. Did everyone else know about it?

3. Some results are clearly mixed up, but we stand by the fact that we roleblocked FE on N2. We don't know why this conflicts with Nabe/Maven's results, but it does, and it is what it is. It's a convoluted mess, but the fact remains that we wouldn't chance Vaan living, not a chance in hell.

4. Our house roleblocked Holder and killed him. We deliberately told Nabe, house Targaryen, and House Baratheon that we would protect ourselves. To that end, I apologize; we lied so that we could shield ourselves to kill Holder who swore vengeance upon the end of the last day phase. House Stark claims they did not ever conspire to kill Goldenbot; we had no reason to kill Red Ryu's house, whom we have remained neutral with.

5. I'm curious to know where House Targaryen's house action went. I suspect it has to do with Moydow's ability, but I won't jump to conclusions and will let him speak instead about it. Perhaps we can learn more what Moydow's abilities are.

Probably forgetting some stuff, just got some food and drink from the merchants of the North.

 

[BarDulL]

I am going to unvote for the time being while letting the thread settle a bit; that was an incredibly rowdy day start, and I think we should try to get to the bottom of these mysteries to ensure that any threat, if it does exist, will be eliminated this day phase.

Unvote

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Was Nabe the one who pitched the idea to backstab our house?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Was Nabe the one who pitched the idea to backstab our house?

If I didn't make it abundantly clear already, no, it was Bard.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I'm dead in the water here without an alliance, so I don't have any reason not to be truthful. Bard got me to shoot you, then did some sneaky corpse bananas with Holder, Shish and the other two Starks in tow.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

BarDulL

 

[BarDulL]

Here's what happened, #HBC | Red Ryu :

I knew Nabe was in a position of detriment and would do anything he could to keep himself alive being the single player left of his house (relax, Nabe, and read). I also wanted to keep him alive because of how much he had told my house; I genuinely wanted to win with Nabe in endgame. He informed us that you had a strongman, he told us you were with Goldenbot, and so much more. He even informed us who House Targaryen was alongside the other houses. I also wanted to be in an alliance with you, and knew we could only take one of us to end game, so that's why I made an agreement between your house, nabe's and my own, and never transgressed against either of you until Nabe outed very pertinent information regarding my House.

Even still, I feel that, more than anything else, Nabe deserved to win the most out of us, especially because of all the unfortunate happenings that occurred, which included Coricus outing his team and LoneKonWolf being unable to defend himself. He honestly did not deserve for that to happen considering his play.

Anyway, Nabe was in a position where he needed to equalize the numbers and side with the major houses; if House Baratheon and House Stark remained unaltered, the natural course of action would be that the Baratheons would pair with House Stark pretty much by default. If I were to take him with me to end-game, he had to make a decision between the two. I told him this and said, by my own words, that he stood a better chance of killing the Baratheons rather than the Starks as a means of equalizing the numbers; I told him that House Stark would be protecting two of our slots and told every House this information accordingly. Given that there was a 66% chance of Nabe failing, and having no reason to shoot the Targs or Holder who were on their last legs, he made the decision to side with House Stark.

House Targaryen agreed to shoot Goldenbot since they feared that you would come into the day phase voting for them again by playing the numbers game. However, Goldenbot does not seem to be dead, which is why I question where their house action went. Considering you also have a strange result, I think it is pertinent that we get down to the bottom of this.

Regardless, we never once claimed that we would kill Goldenbot. Nabe, panicking and realize that his lynch may be imminent, lied about this detail as a means of trying to skewer the house that he felt betrayed him. I don't blame him for this as he was playing to his win-condition, but it is nevertheless false. We have the PMs to prove it if that is what you wish from us.

BarDulL

I'm legitimately sad about this too, dude. We're gonna have a good post-game cry, man. Unless we can get to the bottom of this mystery, I'm afraid things may end up playing out the way they are unadulterated. I legit feel bad about it, but I have to walk in pursuit of the truth.

 

[BarDulL]

The only other thing that made me swap against you, Nabe, was that you wanted us to not roleblock Holder, who you said had a claimed poison shot that he intended on shooting Maven with.

I didn't believe you and I felt that you knew very well that Holder would shoot the house that lead to his demise, specifically House Stark. You tried many times to make us not role block him, but it was too great of a risk, and we started to feel that perhaps you were trying to get my house killed. When you opened the day phase and claimed all that pertinent information regarding my house, I felt I could trust you no longer.

That is the ultimate truth of my approach to the game.

 

[Coricus]

So is what everyone saying is that you want me to quit the game because I ruined it for everyone again?

I'll do so if it makes everyone else happy.

 

[BarDulL]

LOL!

No Coricus, we don't want you to quit the game. It was pretty unfair of you to betray the Lannisters like that in the day phase by outing Nabe's house and assisting in LoneKonWolf's death when they saved you from being voted for.

I'm not saying though that you were wrong to be upset with Ryu, but Ryu truly had his best interests for you in mind when he was performing diplomacy during the night phase. The Lannisters had helped you evade death when they voted for Vaan.

It just is what it is.

 

[BarDulL]

Oh yeah, so I'm confused:

Maven claimed Tracker, but Ryu claims that he saw Moydow visit Pokechu/Disfunkshunal.

Does that mean there are two trackers?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

It's really straightforward, and not a mystery at all. Golden didn't die because Bard was the one meant to kill him in Bard's plan, and he killed Holder instead. Targs probably just defended.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

2. People have claimed that Holder needed to be hit twice to die, apparently? He never claimed to us, so we of House Stark didn't know about it. Did everyone else know about it?

Check the flip.

 

[BarDulL]

It's really straightforward, and not a mystery at all. Golden didn't die because Bard was the one meant to kill him in Bard's plan, and he killed Holder instead. Targs probably just defended.

There's no point to me telling you that we were going to kill Golden and then turning around and going for Holder. What's the angle? That I manipulated you into killing Red Ryu to hurt your chances with house Baratheon? And you would risk the Targs killing you to boot; you're not the type of player to just leave that stone unturned. Of course you talked to them and knew exactly what they were going to do.

You killed Red Ryu because you knew that you had a better chance of winning with the Starks than winning with House Baratheon. You pulled the trigger, not me. Don't try to drag me down with you when you made the final call. You knew you had to make a decision between the two major houses. This was inevitable. Take responsibility.

 

[BarDulL]

#HBC | Red Ryu , Coricus , and even #HBC | Nabe , who we are obviously at odds with:

Hypothetically, let's say that House Stark did not "use Shish" somehow to visit Holder. I won't deny that it's possible because, well, obviously it's possible, but for the sake of constructive dialogue, lets say it wasn't us.

We also know that House Targaryen did not perform their house action in the manner they said they would: House Targaryen had stated they would target Golden. However, Golden is still alive.

You know as well as I do that we of House Stark specifically targeted Holder of House Tyrell. We also know that Holder needed to be targeted by TWO lethal actions to be killed. One of my house's actions was a roleblock, hence why Holder did not kill anyone. The second action was a kill by my hand.

Lastly, #HBC | Red Ryu Coricus , we know that Moydow has an ability to target the dead, and was shown visiting Pokechu and Disfunkshunal.

If what everyone has said here is true, then I think it is possible that Moydow has an ability that allows him to have the dead kill for him. I would not be surprised if Disfunkshunal is killed tomorrow by "Pokechu" as some kind of delayed kill. I believe this is a reasonable conclusion, yes?

I would like Moydow to explain this discrepancy if possible, and to go into detail about his abilities.

 

[praline]

Hell I wouldn't know, Red seems to be the only one in the loop on any factions.

All praline has said to me has pretty much been vague requests for us to do certain things over the past couple night phases, which barring the hypothetical scenario of them being the ones to have taken out Ryu hasn't really been any trouble for us despite the lack of info.

Well Coricus it’s bloody hard to talk to you when I get one reply back and then nothing for the rest of the night. I’m not gonna say everything for my ideas if you won’t talk with me.

 

[Disfunkshunal]

Leave it to the janitor to clean up this mess.

I skimmed through everything so I will need to to back and more carefully read but quick thoughts:

It's true, I'm Arya Stark but my role is far more boring than what Nabe is making it out to be. So much so that I have yet to use it this game. As much as I would have loved to be Koh, the face stealer, I am only Katara, the water dancer. I did nothing last night as my ability is contingent on me performing the house action which I did not do.

So is what everyone saying is that you want me to quit the game because I ruined it for everyone again?

I'll do so if it makes everyone else happy.

Not quite. What Bardull was saying was that at different points in the game, your faction has been very powerful. Sometimes due to roles, sometimes information.

Your faction has not always been in harmony which has affected the state of the game but so has literally everything everyone has done. All Bardull was saying is that leaking info on the lannisters was another event that got us to this exact point.

We reached out to you last night because we value you as a player. Spilling the information on the Lannisters happened when your team was disjointed. We intended to correct that by including you from the start. Had Ryu been active, we would have had simultaneous conversations with each of you.

As the night went on with no response, we began to consider other possibilities as well.


That all said, let's talk about the current state of things for a second. Everyone here today wants to win. Everyone here today recognizes that partnering up is the way to win. And everyone here should know that partnering with nabe at this point of the game is bad for two reasons:
1) he betrayed his last alliance
2) everyone else has more players

I think that regardless of how this game turns out, we can all agree keeping nabe alive is not the optimal strategy.

 

[Wolfie557]

Upon heavy consideration... Shish Pokechu Holder are indeed still in the game.

This is mod confirmation that shoulda been done before. Good luck.

 

[Wolfie557]

*quoted PM*

I don't believe this is allowed. Well even if not in rules I'm not letting any more of this.

 

[BarDulL]

Upon heavy consideration... Shish Pokechu Holder are indeed still in the game. This is mod confirmation that shoulda been done before. Good luck.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

lol

I mean, I'm not surprised I guess. There were so many things not adding up.

Vote: Moydow

This is the part where you say "I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling kids."

 

[BarDulL]

#HBC | Nabe , I'm sorry man. We ended up doubting each other extremely hard as a result of this. I understand now that you were telling the truth and why you were concerned. I understand why you revealed your results and revealed what my house did. I hope you understand where I was coming from too.

We are going to have to set aside our differences and kill this very clear threat, otherwise we'll all lose to it. Kind of like the show, I guess. Maven also can't be trusted and will need to be exterminated.

 

[praline]

Bringing back characters is dumb. I thought we were doing season 1 of the show. White Walkers weren't even really a thing then.

 

[BarDulL]

Wolfie557 uh, so, a couple other questions.

In what ways can we interact with Pokechu, Shish, and Holder? Can they be voted for, or killed? Targeted by abilities?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

So Moydow revived like 3 people? Is that what I am reading here?

Vote: Moydow

 

[Maven89]

Apparently there’s no rule that mod given information is correct

In our alliance PM Moydow is given the role of Varys, with the ability to discover who someone is allied to, and the inability to use House Actions. Moydow just revealed to me and Nabe in our alliance pm that this is a lie, he’s really a member of his own faction, and is the Night King. He has been resurrecting people behind our back, and will win when the dead outnumber the living. He made he offer for us to join him, with us getting Nabe lynched today, resurrecting him, then we kill Ryu and get me lynched tomorrow, resurrecting me and winning the game. I do not see how we can get Nabe killed, and more importantly I do not want his faction to win. I’m apparently the only real member of House Targaryen still alive, and dont see how I can win. But I can kill Moydow.

He has a one shot death immunity, so he won’t die from the lynch. When we lynch him, I’ll use my house action to kill him. I know he can’t use House Actions because I was MIA Night 3 and he didn’t send any actions in. You guys can then figure out who wins afterwards.

I don’t have a problem with his faction, but I have a problem that I was given mod information about his role that was entirely false. If moydow hadn’t revealed it to us I would have never once thought he was anything but Varys. When the Night King dies, all of the white walkers die too. This is the only way to kill them.

Vote: Moydow

 

[Moydow]

Guess I'll go quietly, then. Everything Maven just said is true. No hard feelings, folks, I don't like that I had to lie to my house either, but all I could do was work with what was given to me.

I'll see myself out.

Vote: Moydow

 

[praline]

Well that is believable to me. Vote Moydow

 

[redfeatherraven]

Wolfie557 uh, so, a couple other questions.

In what ways can we interact with Pokechu, Shish, and Holder? Can they be voted for, or killed? Targeted by abilities?

They cannot.

But the faction will vanish without their leader.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

So that is settled now for my backstabbers,

#HBC | Nabe i has every intent to get to end game with you but you shot me :/ convince me you won’t do it again.

BarDulL sup so apparently you came up with this devilish plan to end my house. You gonna stick with me or you planning on going elsewhere?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Coricus everything I have tried has been to help us come out on top, or at least higher on the body pile since this is a FFA game.

I have done things without tell you earlier on but this time most of my talking has been be being active with the other slots. I’m here to help you, you ain’t doing anything wrong, well outside of outing all of that info ok private stuff but w/e at this point.

Just work with me so we can be closer up being on top.

 

[BarDulL]

Ughhhhhhhh

I’m sorry about this Moydow. I ended up figuring it out nearing the end but it feels like an empty victory since we really should have known about your soldiers prior.

#HBC | Red Ryu , I will speak to you tonight. A lot of our actions hinges on the true nature of Moydow’s role.