UltiMario
Out of Obscurity
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2684447#post2684447
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Latias is now Uber.
This ruins like 4 of my teams.
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Latias is now Uber.
This ruins like 4 of my teams.
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Well ****balls Mc****
- Thread starter UltiMario
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Riddle
Smash Lord
Unless your playing ubers where they could actually work. And since when is scarf latias a scizor counter?
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Terywj [태리]
Charismatic Maknae~
Battle Tower misplacement, much?
So, with Latias gone do you guys think Infernape usage will rise?
So, with Latias gone do you guys think Infernape usage will rise?
Circa
Smash Champion
I never really used Latias, but I didn't really like a lot of the things that were so common mainly because of her existence either.
So I might actually play the tier a little bit now that she's gone.
So I might actually play the tier a little bit now that she's gone.
HP Fire.
I think Infernape will rise.
And by "rise" I mean "be used as more than just a lead".
Terywj [태리]
Charismatic Maknae~
Tentacruel usage will probably follow Infernape's, then.
That's what I'd assume.
That's what I'd assume.
Riddle
Smash Lord
Uturn and bullet punch **** latias up. And if you get locked into a dragon move...
This is great news.
Not because latias belongs in ubers, but because it finally means we'll see fewer scarftar, worse preparation for a lot of setup threats like DDanything and I can finally get off with my favorite base 115 Spe pokemon because scarftar doesn't **** them handily.
Did I mention I hate scarftar, whose usage will surely go down now that latias, one of its primary pursuit targets, is gone? =D
In general this means that teams will have to be more careful of opening themselves up for a sweep, infernape obviously benefits from it, but I'd also say salamence and kingdra benefit a lot from this just because their primary methods of setup can't be revenged short of more risky revengers like scarfed jirachi and flygon.
Not because latias belongs in ubers, but because it finally means we'll see fewer scarftar, worse preparation for a lot of setup threats like DDanything and I can finally get off with my favorite base 115 Spe pokemon because scarftar doesn't **** them handily.
Did I mention I hate scarftar, whose usage will surely go down now that latias, one of its primary pursuit targets, is gone? =D
In general this means that teams will have to be more careful of opening themselves up for a sweep, infernape obviously benefits from it, but I'd also say salamence and kingdra benefit a lot from this just because their primary methods of setup can't be revenged short of more risky revengers like scarfed jirachi and flygon.
UltiMario
Out of Obscurity
I just realized that me and riddle had this team that had one problem: Latias ***** it.
Now we can fiddle with it and make it useful **** yea.
...
I still lost like my favoritest team from this, though D:
Now we can fiddle with it and make it useful **** yea.
...
I still lost like my favoritest team from this, though D:
Riddle
Smash Lord
Lol at ulti saying me and riddle. I've used that team like 3 times. Might have to use it more now though. We shall work on it tomorrow bro.
xLeafybug =D
Smash Master
I love Latias, and it sucks to see it go, because I used it so much.
That being said, this could also be a good thing. I think TTar will be used less, and Infernape, as well as many things that either fear, or were outclassed by Latias will be used more.
That being said, this could also be a good thing. I think TTar will be used less, and Infernape, as well as many things that either fear, or were outclassed by Latias will be used more.
Riddle
Smash Lord
Zapdos also comes to mind.
I
JUST
RAISED
ONE. ;~;
Seriously, I just had my first battle with my latias yesterday, and its uber now? =3=
Thats a shame...Im not gonna tell anyone who doesn't know about it yet so I can enjoy using her a lil longer. =w=
JUST
RAISED
ONE. ;~;
Seriously, I just had my first battle with my latias yesterday, and its uber now? =3=
Thats a shame...Im not gonna tell anyone who doesn't know about it yet so I can enjoy using her a lil longer. =w=
ss118
Smash Master
I never really cared. But my most recent (undefeated) team lost a member.
Fuelbi
Banned via Warnings
This just ruined my team
Latias is the staple of my team with Surf, which takes down those pesky Infernapes and Ttars
:'(
Miss ya Lati
Charmander
Smash Champion
HAAAAHAAAAA!!!!!!
This just ruined my team
Latias is the staple of my team with Surf, which takes down those pesky Infernapes and Ttars
:'(
Miss ya Lati
This is why I stuck with Salamence as my dragon
WOOOOOOHHOOOOO
I like lati ban
Fuelbi
Banned via Warnings
Oh I have Salamence, but Tbolt and Surf are what actually makes it usefulHAAAAHAAAAA!!!!!!
This is why I stuck with Salamence as my dragon
WOOOOOOHHOOOOO
I like lati ban
T_T
How could you?! Latias was great, haha
WOOOOOOHHOOOOO
I like lati ban
This ruins part of my team though, but I guess it needed an update anyway
Fuelbi
Banned via Warnings
This is blasphemous
I have officially lost all trust in Smogon
I have officially lost all trust in Smogon
ss118
Smash Master
It could be worse. They could ban Garchomp.....
Fuelbi
Banned via Warnings
When do you ever see Garchomp anymore?
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
Roach, get something else to carry surf, or earthquake, or a fighting move, problem solved.
Riddle
Smash Lord
That's not what I meant at all. I just meant its funny that you think of me as a half owner of that team
I should have specified. HP Fire Scarf Latias is for revenge killing Scizor. There's no way it can switch into Scizor, in fact, few things can.
Oh the pain of wifi.
Riddle
Smash Lord
Revenge Killing =/= countering, and you take ~60% damage from a CB bullet punch so you've got to be above 75% when you switch in to even guarantee the revenge kill. And thats just for CB. If its SD then its sure to kill you even without SR up.
E123-omega
Smash Journeyman
Yay for gender equality!
Circa
Smash Champion
And this is about the exact same time that I scream Gyarados and leave this thread forever. So...
USE GYARADOS AND QUIT COMPLAINING *****.
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Also they're talking about testing Salamence.
So lol.
So lol.
UltiMario
Out of Obscurity
They're thinking about banning Mence next.HAAAAHAAAAA!!!!!!
This is why I stuck with Salamence as my dragon
WOOOOOOHHOOOOO
I like lati ban
IMO Mence is the superior Dragon type, and if Latias is gone then there is no way in hell Mence isn't Uber.
Unless Smogon sees that they're stupid and unbans Latias.
No way in hell is Latias Uber, without it the metagame is really freaking gay, it's not overpowered in itself and it balances the metagame, being able to take on a lot of the top threats and preventing some Pokemon from overpowering everything or getting banned themselves.
:/
ss118
Smash Master
The metagame was honestly very stale and it was too easy because of the inclusion of Latias. It wasn't fun, simply put.
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
"Without it the metagame is really frickin gay"
Its far too early to make such a call. It hasn't even been a day yet.
Its far too early to make such a call. It hasn't even been a day yet.
UltiMario
Out of Obscurity
Everyone knows what's going to happen.
Infernape and Heatran skyrocket in use.
Mence gets MORE dominant with the only Dragon that really compared to it gone. Don't pull DNite BS or **** like that, it's not nearly as good as Mence is.
DDTar returns with a vengance.
Also, "not being fun" isn't an excuse for banning a Pokemon. If it's balanced, it's balanced.
Infernape and Heatran skyrocket in use.
Mence gets MORE dominant with the only Dragon that really compared to it gone. Don't pull DNite BS or **** like that, it's not nearly as good as Mence is.
DDTar returns with a vengance.
Also, "not being fun" isn't an excuse for banning a Pokemon. If it's balanced, it's balanced.
ss118
Smash Master
I only have two qualifications for a good metagame in pokemon:
1) The ability to differentiate between a "good" player and a "great" player
2) It is fun.
In the Latias metagame, neither of the above were true. I am a terrible player yet I can reach the top with a couple of hours and a random-*** team? Not cool.
Honestly, I would rather have a metagame with everyone using a single pokemon so long as the other five pokemon were actually quite varied(Garchomp metagame) than a metagame with everyone using the same 16 pokemon everywhere, and anyone who didn't failed miserably(Latias metagame).
I know it's an exaggeration. Even if the Latias metagame of 16, or even 32, pokemon was balanced in the sense of "everything is properly handled without anything being broken", I would rather go back to the Garchomp metagame of "while I may see one pokemon on 5/6 teams every time, at least the pokemon with them are different to the point where teams are actually distinguishable".
1) The ability to differentiate between a "good" player and a "great" player
2) It is fun.
In the Latias metagame, neither of the above were true. I am a terrible player yet I can reach the top with a couple of hours and a random-*** team? Not cool.
Honestly, I would rather have a metagame with everyone using a single pokemon so long as the other five pokemon were actually quite varied(Garchomp metagame) than a metagame with everyone using the same 16 pokemon everywhere, and anyone who didn't failed miserably(Latias metagame).
I know it's an exaggeration. Even if the Latias metagame of 16, or even 32, pokemon was balanced in the sense of "everything is properly handled without anything being broken", I would rather go back to the Garchomp metagame of "while I may see one pokemon on 5/6 teams every time, at least the pokemon with them are different to the point where teams are actually distinguishable".
UltiMario
Out of Obscurity
1. In the Chomp metagame it was Chomp/Chomp Counterx2/Counters to countersx2/Filler on most teams. Where is the variability in this?
2. **** like Dusknoir and Electivire will STILL be bad. Not even Latias' ban will save this from being a 16-Pokemon metagame sort of thing.
3. Brawl and planking isn't fun, but we still do it anyway. Fun has nothing to do with competition, you can't ban things for being unfun, only if they're legitimately broken. Sure, we'd like to have fun PLAYING, but simply playing should be the fun we get, the metagame in itself isn't where you should be looking for fun, it should just be the fun from playing Pokemon.
2. **** like Dusknoir and Electivire will STILL be bad. Not even Latias' ban will save this from being a 16-Pokemon metagame sort of thing.
3. Brawl and planking isn't fun, but we still do it anyway. Fun has nothing to do with competition, you can't ban things for being unfun, only if they're legitimately broken. Sure, we'd like to have fun PLAYING, but simply playing should be the fun we get, the metagame in itself isn't where you should be looking for fun, it should just be the fun from playing Pokemon.