professor mgw
Smash Champion
Honestly I prefer to fight on long boards (I.e. FD smashville), I need some space while fighting this crackhead.
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Weekly Matchup Discussion - Meta Knight
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Llumys
Smash Champion
Do not take Meta Knight to Smashville.
Fino
Smash Master
what's wrong with SV?
You're almost always going to go there on your neutral.
~Fino
RichBrown
Smash Master
smashville aint that bad
that platform is mighty useful, cept against snake, then I hate it. But we are talking about MK, and against MK it helps me recover. It's an ok-sized stage, I feel like I have barely enough room to move around.
in fact I'd probably take MK there after FD and PS1 (those are basically my only 2 CPs ever lol... although I need a third for when people ban one and I win on the other, I really don't have anything reliable >.<)
that platform is mighty useful, cept against snake, then I hate it. But we are talking about MK, and against MK it helps me recover. It's an ok-sized stage, I feel like I have barely enough room to move around.
in fact I'd probably take MK there after FD and PS1 (those are basically my only 2 CPs ever lol... although I need a third for when people ban one and I win on the other, I really don't have anything reliable >.<)
professor mgw
Smash Champion
Lol same here (but I do CP battelfield at times as well) But yeah, not to sure about halberd, I keep considering it because of its length......
BOB SAGET!
Smash Lord
No, don't take MK to battlefield. It's very bad against MK. You'll never be able to land. Mk will always keep u in the air cause of the platforms.
Llumys
Smash Champion
Battlefield:
Meta Knight wants us in the air, and the platforms aid him to do so. Also, I'm skeptical about the short length of the main platform.
Smashville:
It's terribly easy for Meta Knight to fly under the stage to stall.
Halberd:
The first phase allows him to shark well, but the second phase is great for us.
Meta Knight wants us in the air, and the platforms aid him to do so. Also, I'm skeptical about the short length of the main platform.
Smashville:
It's terribly easy for Meta Knight to fly under the stage to stall.
Halberd:
The first phase allows him to shark well, but the second phase is great for us.
professor mgw
Smash Champion
Ok. I'll practice some matches on halberd with mk.
Llumys
Smash Champion
Play a good Meta Knight, because it seems like you haven't.
BOB SAGET!
Smash Lord
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't YI a good neutral stage?
The platform in the middle prevents MK from dair camping us. And like always Uair is great with the platform.
EDIT: Plus he can't stall underneath the stage,
The platform in the middle prevents MK from dair camping us. And like always Uair is great with the platform.
EDIT: Plus he can't stall underneath the stage,
Good mk's destroy me..... T_T
Fino
Smash Master
BF is crap shoot against mk. I beat doj0 there in our MM, and I frequently beat aff!nity there when we play. You have to have amazing stage control... which is all olimar is anyways.
-We want want to pressure mk in the air (like after a usmash or grab combo)... platforms help with that.
-fortunately for us, stalling is banned... so your point is moot
-yeeaaaaahh...... =/
;-;
~Fino
Llumys
Smash Champion
The platforms aid both of us, but I still think Meta Knight has the clear advantage in the air. Also, stalling varies from region to region, obviously.
Lee 2 gud.
BOB SAGET!
Smash Lord
Well fino lets see what others think. I still dont think BF is a great stage in this mu at all.
Dabuz
Fraud at Smash
people, you are looking at this matchup all wrong, in order to win don't camp, never shield, spotdodge lots, use more nair, airdodge into MK, UP-B more, ect.
Does it work on wifi?
Me, I wouldn't take a good MK to BF. I don't like platforms unless they help me recover a la Smashville/Frigate Orpheon/Yoshi's.
BOB SAGET!
Smash Lord
Dabuz there's no point not to camp.
professor mgw
Smash Champion
Anyone know any good mk's that play wi-fi or that live in NY NY.?
Llumys
Smash Champion
Air dodging is great, but our spot dodge is bad.
Fino
Smash Master
*fixed*
PLY LES WIFI PLZ
camping is an amazing pressure mechanic, not just for racking damage. shielding is good... or maybe you just like getting hit a lot O.o
our spot dodge is terribad... expecially when they mashin B a lot (and they do)
nair is aight... but in what situations you talking about
airdodging into mk isn't a bad idea... but whistle + air dodge is safer, less punishable, and leaves you more options (like nairing if you WAC his move)
^this
~Fino
Dabuz
Fraud at Smash
awwwww...i was hoping fino would flame me lots more 
there is only one truth in what i said to do...lets see you figure it out xD
there is only one truth in what i said to do...lets see you figure it out xD
Llumys
Smash Champion
I definitely don't think it'd be neglect the use of your shield, 'cause power shielding is just amazing in this game.
Air dodging into Meta Knight when not in danger of being juggled seems okay.
Your mention of spot dodging was definitely trolling.
Using more chain and nair both seem good, though. If anything, tethering seems more useful.
Air dodging into Meta Knight when not in danger of being juggled seems okay.
Your mention of spot dodging was definitely trolling.
Using more chain and nair both seem good, though. If anything, tethering seems more useful.
Dabuz
Fraud at Smash
*shrugs* your so off...im telling you right now everyone will say im ****ing ******** when they figure out what im talking about....but they will be surprised when i actually use it IRL :D
Fino
Smash Master
Moar vids, less troll. kthnxbai =D
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I think it was this part- V
But seriously, don't shield.
Edit: Well, that's what I think at least.
I'm an obsessive shield user.
I lose to MKs.
Logic dictates that shielding is bad against MK.
Amiright?
Tin Man
Smash Hero
FD, Halberd, good stages to fight MK on, I would use them at least, Halberd got low ceiling, and good room on part 2, and FD is long, lots of room to **** around
Llumys
Smash Champion
Lol, Dan. I do think we're looking at the match-up wrong as well, but I thought that was a given.
Anyway, the first phase of Halberd is hell. Why isn't anyone acknowledging this
Anyway, the first phase of Halberd is hell. Why isn't anyone acknowledging this
Dabuz
Fraud at Smash
well...while shielding is bad in this matchup except to stop nado and to punish dair camping, i was referring to not camping MK
cause halberd's pros massively out way the cons...even though i did the best CP against MK ever
imma keep it a secret cause im mean like that though xD
cause halberd's pros massively out way the cons...even though i did the best CP against MK ever
imma keep it a secret cause im mean like that though xD
Fino
Smash Master
Lol... I was scrolling through really fast.... and I catch what appeared to be a sheik main with a detective conan avi out the corner of my eye (went passed it completely)... and I thought to myself... did I really see it? Scrolled up quickly, and I was like "Yes, I was right" and immediately went back down... and right as I saw dabuz' impossible to read post, I thought to myself.... thats not dan is it? -_-''
it was, lol.
+1
~Fino
it was, lol.
+1
~Fino
Llumys
Smash Champion
Meh. I do think the second phase and the high ceiling are definitely worth it, but I still can't bring myself to ignore the possibility of getting sharked.
I can see how not camping Meta Knight is a good idea, though. From what I've seen, he can punish you no matter how well you pressure him with said tactic.
Regardless, +1
I can see how not camping Meta Knight is a good idea, though. From what I've seen, he can punish you no matter how well you pressure him with said tactic.
Regardless, +1
Dabuz
Fraud at Smash
you pretty much got it llumys...
Denti
Smash Master
YI is best stage. brinstar is worst stage. RC is still hard/bad
when MK abuses glide attack, short hop Uair. the hitbox for Uair is big. if glide attack is way to low, roll twords him when he is close and you'll be on the opposite side of him.
tornado can be beat by full hop Nair. if your shield is full, just shield right before tornado hits you. then where ever they land punish. (weird side note, pikmin tether line beats tornado)
if you get hit off the ledge your probably dead unless you pull something from out of your *** or they screw up. GETTING HIT OFF IS THAT BAD! when they hit you off the stage the MU becomes around 80-20 until you recover
when MK Dair camps, watch his pattern,then up smash or depending on his height Uair.
if possible, MK will always jump Dair after being down thrown. idk a follow up to that yet.
that is all
when MK abuses glide attack, short hop Uair. the hitbox for Uair is big. if glide attack is way to low, roll twords him when he is close and you'll be on the opposite side of him.
tornado can be beat by full hop Nair. if your shield is full, just shield right before tornado hits you. then where ever they land punish. (weird side note, pikmin tether line beats tornado)
if you get hit off the ledge your probably dead unless you pull something from out of your *** or they screw up. GETTING HIT OFF IS THAT BAD! when they hit you off the stage the MU becomes around 80-20 until you recover
when MK Dair camps, watch his pattern,then up smash or depending on his height Uair.
if possible, MK will always jump Dair after being down thrown. idk a follow up to that yet.
that is all