Wario.

[TheEliteSmasher]

I just played a good wario and I need some tips to beat him. He abuses his superior air mobility by never being on the ground. Then I get my *** pounded by uairs and dairs. When I starts hitting him with fairs which works until he uses his air speed to leap high in the air resulting in me not being able to catch and get daired again

 

[Earthbound Zero]

Space. Wario has limited range on most of his aerials.

 

[Affinity]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=179463

 

[Infinitysmash]

Short hop forward air back and forward all day long.

 

[Kamikaze*]

Space with your fair. If the fat man tries to scare you into not spamming it keep doing it. Fair spam to counter his dair spam.

 

[DMG]

Short hop forward air back and forward all day long.

Once I start Boost Smashing, that will be a bad Idea. That and you saw the Fairs of my own I used OOS that punishes MK's Fair.

IDK how MK is supposed to beat Wario, I've found a way around just about anything MK can throw at me. Only advice I can think of is to abuse those Upb invincibility frames the best you can, and try to space well.

 

[Sushi-Man]

When he approaches with dair, just use up-b. The invincibility protect you and hurt the wario. Also, I found stepping back and f-smashing is very effective. It ruins all of wario's approaches.

 

[SilverBlaze]

Wouldn't Tornado cut through all of Wario's aerials? I'm not saying spam it, but it would certainly make him think twice about using them all the time.

 

[DMG]

Wouldn't Tornado cut through all of Wario's aerials? I'm not saying spam it, but it would certainly make him think twice about using them all the time.

Dair beats it out if you use it right. Ftilt and I think Fsmash can also break it. For anything else Wario can just take a step back and wait for it to end and even sometimes punish you.

 

[Sushi-Man]

Dair beats it out if you use it right. Ftilt and I think Fsmash can also break it. For anything else Wario can just take a step back and wait for it to end and even sometimes punish you.

The bite move can also take mk out of his tornado!

 

[DMG]

The bite move can also take mk out of his tornado!

YES! I remember doing that a few times, I still dunno how to replicate it lol. I need to go fool around with that some.

 

[TKD]

Meta vs Wario is a pretty even matchup...

Watch when your opponent uses up both their jumps, so you can dashgrab into the spot they're going to fall on. (EDIT)Don't grab hit or throw, you have a crazy grab release into nair.(EDIT) And as people stated, spacing forward air (upair and nair are cool also) the rest of the time is very effective.

So abuse sword range. If they space right they have mobility vs range which is a pretty even deal. Wario can KO quicker if they save upair or land a fart/fsmash, so keep performing moves and don't give them punishment opportunities.

Also, DO NOT shuttle loop. At least not often. Performing shuttle loop often enough can turn it into Wario's most common KO opportunity by airdodging/spacing out/blocking it and then landing upair on you, maybe even a fart tackle or, if you end your glide near them, an fsmash.

Counterpick stages with low positioned platforms so he can't approach you from above easily. Lylat's amazing for this. There's also Yoshi's Story, maybe...but not Halberd, because Wario's upair can KO at 100% when fresh here because of the low ceiling, maybe 90 if you have a bit more altitude.

IDK how MK is supposed to beat Wario

I don't think he IS supposed to...

 

[DMG]

= Don't grab hit or throw, you have a crazy grab release into nair.

I'm pretty sure MK can't force Wario to release into the air. I've had it done to me a few times, but that was before I learned not to mash upwards or the jump buttons.

 

[LuigiMax]

Keep ur distance. hit him with fairs, and if he gos to the air, abuse him with ur aerials since all of urs are faster and can hit him faster than when he tries to hit u. Grab release is ur best friend buddy :D

 

[Omega_Star]

It was just confirmed to me yesterday just how difficult this matchup is. I think that Wario is the Brawl equivalent of Melee Jigglypuff: high aerial mobility, a good recovery, and a surprise kill move (Wario Waft as compared to rest).

I've played a good Wario all of about four times with Meta Knight, so I don't really have much to contribute on how to win. It was easy for me to hit with tornado, but it wasn't useful for killing. I'm liking the idea of waiting until he uses both his jumps and then grabbing him when he lands. Never tried the alleged grab release (which DMG apparently isn't sure is a sure-fire thing), but Wario is difficult enough to grab as it is.

Oh, and if you're reading this DMG, it wasn't even Bassem I played, which makes me scared of playing Bassem, lol.

Sounds like the Wario section of the match-up thread is going to need some renovating.

 

[DMG]

Oh, and if you're reading this DMG, it wasn't even Bassem I played, which makes me scared of playing Bassem, lol.

Sounds like the Wario section of the match-up thread is going to need some renovating.

Lol let's just say Bassem scares me online, enough that when we played I used mostly G&W.

I do think the Wario section should be gone over a bit, there is much discussing to do.

 

[Heroes_Never_Die]

I think you may be able to perform an aerial Shuttle Loop out of grab release. However, it's unlikely the Wario will air release with any kind of reliability unless you grab him over the edge, which, due to MK's sliding dash grab, isn't too hard to do.

 

[TKD]

I do think the Wario section should be gone over a bit, there is much discussing to do.

There are many matchups in desperate need for attention in the thread. It says Donkey is almost even with MK and other crazy things. Problem is that'd take lots of work.

I think you may be able to perform an aerial Shuttle Loop out of grab release. However, it's unlikely the Wario will air release with any kind of reliability unless you grab him over the edge, which, due to MK's sliding dash grab, isn't too hard to do.

Doesn't matter much, because it doesn't kill. Not that strong. When the game first came out, it was considered crazy strong because people never DI'ed it.

 

[Omega_Star]

There are many matchups in desperate need for attention in the thread. It says Donkey is almost even with MK and other crazy things. Problem is that'd take lots of work.

Progress always requires work. That shouldn't be an especial problem.

 

[Anth0ny]

Honestly Wario-MK is 50:50 in my eyes. I get ***** so hard by bite and fsmash >_>

Pretty much all I could say is don't use UpB. At all. On the stage, you'll get sidestepped/shielded>fsmash, on the ledge you'll get OM NOM NOM'd.

 

[Infinitysmash]

This entire post is @ DMG:

I beat that Bassem dude at Oh Snap. He's really good, but he's nowhere near your level dude.

You want to get in a ton of friendlies next time we bump into each other? Seems like FS5 is the next time we will, but I've got so many money matches that day that I lost track of them all @.@ Plus me and Hylian are going to play each other a ton too. Either way, I'd love a more in-depth understanding of the matchup and if we do play some then I'd definitely make a matchup thread for it here.

 

[Staco]

If you play each other, pls film it for us.

 

[Deoxys]

There are many matchups in desperate need for attention in the thread. It says Donkey is almost even with MK and other crazy things. Problem is that'd take lots of work.

Actually that's not that crazy. DK is like 63/37 MK (ya I went there! ), until Skyworld is legalized tomorrow (I'm guessing/hoping), in which case it becomes like 75/25 lol.

Doesn't matter much, because it doesn't kill. Not that strong. When the game first came out, it was considered crazy strong because people never DI'ed it.

Well it kills if it lets you gimp, although against Wario gimping is relatively difficult.

 

[DMG]

This entire post is @ DMG:

I beat that Bassem dude at Oh Snap. He's really good, but he's nowhere near your level dude.

Online though he makes me look like trash lol.

You want to get in a ton of friendlies next time we bump into each other? Seems like FS5 is the next time we will, but I've got so many money matches that day that I lost track of them all @.@ Plus me and Hylian are going to play each other a ton too. Either way, I'd love a more in-depth understanding of the matchup and if we do play some then I'd definitely make a matchup thread for it here.

Yeah that sounds fine, knowing our bracket luck we will be playing 2nd round anyways lol.

I got some things to test, wanna see if they work when I play you and Dojo.

 

[nevershootme]

grab release -> up-b end of story

 

[Deoxys]

grab release -> up-b end of story

You're kidding, right?

 

[DMG]

grab release -> up-b end of story

U know that if the Wario is smart enough, he will break to the ground? (Assuming he is on even terrain and not over an edge)

I <3 Wario.

 

[Deoxys]

So which is Wario's worst matchup: ZSS or DDD? I keep hearing DDD but can't imagine why it's not ZSS.

I'll probably switch chars on the Wario's CP.

 

[DMG]

So which is Wario's worst matchup: ZSS or DDD? I keep hearing DDD but can't imagine why it's not ZSS.

I'll probably switch chars on the Wario's CP.

I dunno, Dedede isn't nearly as bad as I imagined, and ZSS has issues of her own to deal with in that matchup (although it certainly isn't easy for either side). Wario really only has a few bad matchups that are easier to deal with if you just run around the entire match, which is what I have started to do more and more with some of his harder matchups. I mean he can win most of his matchups if you can concentrate for 8 minutes and run around without getting hit lol.

 

[PKNintendo]

grab release -> up-b end of story

It's statements like these that make me want to quite Brawl. The sheer lack of... info on Wario grab releases surprises me alot.

 

[Deoxys]

I dunno, Dedede isn't nearly as bad as I imagined, and ZSS has issues of her own to deal with in that matchup (although it certainly isn't easy for either side). Wario really only has a few bad matchups that are easier to deal with if you just run around the entire match, which is what I have started to do more and more with some of his harder matchups. I mean he can win most of his matchups if you can concentrate for 8 minutes and run around without getting hit lol.

You must decide!

Spoiler

Otherwise how am I supposed to know the easiest way to beat you?

 

[bassem6]

This entire post is @ DMG:

I beat that Bassem dude at Oh Snap. He's really good, but he's nowhere near your level dude.

You want to get in a ton of friendlies next time we bump into each other? Seems like FS5 is the next time we will, but I've got so many money matches that day that I lost track of them all @.@ Plus me and Hylian are going to play each other a ton too. Either way, I'd love a more in-depth understanding of the matchup and if we do play some then I'd definitely make a matchup thread for it here.

Thats true, but you were the first good offline mk I ever played. Once I get some more offline experience, I'll be even better. Also, Im banning luigis mansion next time >_>

 

[Babar-Thorbald]

Also, Im banning luigis mansion next time >_>

Ouch... Must've hurt.

 

[DMG]

Ouch... Must've hurt.

Not if he destroyed the house :0

LM is a silly stage, all I see on it usually are MK's, Olimars, and the occasional Diddy who wants a bigger FD.

 

[Babar-Thorbald]

Well, for mk, delfino and rainbow cruise are cool to play on to...

 

[MorphedChaos]

One word, Marth, that guy hurts Wario something bad. D3 I can handle very easily, since he was my previous main, I know how to fight him very very well, and you can Uair through D3's upB if you time it right, and get some good juggling damage, you can even Usmash through it if you time it JUST right, but its like a 2 frame window. (Or am I thinking of another character? >.<) Also, due to D3 having the worst air speed, if you get him in the air, you destroy him as Wario, just watch out for the Bairs.

 

[bassem6]

Not if he destroyed the house :0

LM is a silly stage, all I see on it usually are MK's, Olimars, and the occasional Diddy who wants a bigger FD.

Didnt work. He ledged camped till it respawned.

 

[Infinitysmash]

Didnt work. He ledged camped till it respawned.

Lies! Lies and deceit!



...actually it might be true, I don't remember xD

You coming to FS5?

@ DMG: You forgot Donkey Kong! I can tilt lock people with him on that stage :D:D:D

(Holy crap I'm off topic, lol)