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Wario Video & Critique Thread -- Diamond City Theater

DMG

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Not too bad. Quick things I noticed:

1. Early % Uthrow vs Marth is fine. However, your best option after doing this is to follow him with a short hop, not a full hop. Full hopping means regardless of what you choose to throw out or wait for, he can airdodge to the ground too quickly and you can't cover it in time. If you SH, you maintain a fair amount of space while retaining the option of going further up to hit him. If he airdodges early out of habit or fear, its easier to hit him this way.


2. You had some trouble punishing him OOS in certain spots with aerials. Your best aerial to punish Marth with OOS in most circumstances is Nair. Quickest option that covers both sides and can also lead into combos/mixups with the double hit. Fair and Bair depending on the circumstance are fine too, but try to skip Uair unless he does something silly like a full hop approaching Fair REALLY close by and you know it will hit. You had Shield Drop Fsmash/PS Fsmash down pretty well, just something to note if you want to punish some of his retreating aerials and mixups better.


3. If Marth has used his DJ and he's moving onstage, 80% of the time he's gonna airdodge due to the threat of clap/fart. Try to think of where he will weave to land, and focus on zoning that area instead of zoning him higher up in the air. In general it's much easier to punish Marth when he's airborne and you're closer to the ground. If you are both airborne or you are rising quickly due to DJ while he is falling, it's a coin toss and a lot of times his airdodge will be good enough to get down safely. Where as if you zone the area he will probably land near, he has a lot of stuff to worry about.


4. Bite is a hard move to use vs Marth. I tend to nearly skip it 90% of the time because I don't want to be lagging and eat anything dangerous from Marth regardless of %. If you can make it work, more power to you. I dislike the move in that MU and refrain from using it much even when he's pressured on the edge.

5. If you weak hit Fair Marth, expect a Fair to the face right back if he's not at 50+ damage. You HAVE to strong hit Fair early on if you want the time or safety to retreat. Weak Fair can punish mostly anything but the most extreme retreating attack or spacing, but it tends to not be worth it early on if you take more damage than he does in the trade.
 

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The matches from my most recent tournament are finally getting put up. I'll post them here when that happens.
 

Labernash

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I main Wario and secondary Falcon, officially :p
Mr. Pwn!!!! My man!! 'Bout time you showed up again! Falcon eh? Very nice! Hope you stay around, 'cause I'll be getting some matches recorded on the 18th and I want EVERYONES critique!


Reflex, who are those matches against?
 

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Kismet's Falco (in two sets). Player-1's Diddy Kong. MCPeePants's Wolf. Player-3's Fox. Maybe more than that, but, I forget.
 

Player-1

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I don't namesearch I just browse character boards.


You try to namesearch player-1 and see what comes up, all this port priority I can't namesearch even if i wanted to
 

Labernash

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Kismet's Falco (in two sets). Player-1's Diddy Kong. MCPeePants's Wolf. Player-3's Fox. Maybe more than that, but, I forget.
Whew, that's a good bit! I'ma learn me something!

Now, I'm convinced all 4 players are the same person. There's a conspiracy among us.
 

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But.... 3 + 1 = 4 and 3-1 =2 so they're all the same.

But.... If player-3 is also player-2 and Player-1 is also Player-4.... Then..... PLAYER-5 IS SUPER COMBINED ROBOT, POWER RANGERS STYLE?!?
 

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Got some matches from Revival of Salt:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8htPOLL7Fv8 vs Tin Man :olimar: :falco: bracket match
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eupu79_x3DM vs Ally :falco: :snake: $5 MM I took a game off him, yay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS9MVLfS968 vs Will :dk: $10 MM And I did it (mostly) without using the chaingrab
because I kept dropping it :-(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pej4_aZqOmc Doubles with :dedede:, vs Will :dk: and Blackanese :metaknight: :olimar:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh1XRVFcbsM Doubles with :dedede:, vs sauc3 :metaknight: and Phiddlesticks :wario:

More coming when I feel like it.
 

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Got some matches from Revival of Salt:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8htPOLL7Fv8 vs Tin Man :olimar: :falco: bracket match
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eupu79_x3DM vs Ally :falco: :snake: $5 MM I took a game off him, yay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS9MVLfS968 vs Will :dk: $10 MM And I did it (mostly) without using the chaingrab
because I kept dropping it :-(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pej4_aZqOmc Doubles with :dedede:, vs Will :dk: and Blackanese :metaknight: :olimar:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh1XRVFcbsM Doubles with :dedede:, vs sauc3 :metaknight: and Phiddlesticks :wario:

More coming when I feel like it.
i think a mm of me vs raziek should be on that wii. 2 games, mk vs marth, game 2 was on castle seige. my tag was probably yoona.
 

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Got some matches from Revival of Salt:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8htPOLL7Fv8 vs Tin Man :olimar: :falco: bracket match
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eupu79_x3DM vs Ally :falco: :snake: $5 MM I took a game off him, yay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS9MVLfS968 vs Will :dk: $10 MM And I did it (mostly) without using the chaingrab
because I kept dropping it :-(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pej4_aZqOmc Doubles with :dedede:, vs Will :dk: and Blackanese :metaknight: :olimar:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh1XRVFcbsM Doubles with :dedede:, vs sauc3 :metaknight: and Phiddlesticks :wario:

More coming when I feel like it.
Right at the very end of the first match vs Will, the ending was so climactic because of the music ending right when you killed him.

Made me:

 

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I'd avoid taking Olimar to Battlefield unless that's the better neutral out of, say YI or something. Battlefield is probably Olimar's best Neutral vs Wario unless he's down a hard stock since you can time him out with the platform setup. The platforms get in your way of approaching him with the flexibility you want, and they tend to give him free shield pressure/ways out of your own combos. IDK what the starter list was but yeah I'd rather go to FD even than Battlefield vs him imo.
 

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Labernash

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I fight a Yoshi for atleast an hour a day. I have no videos. =(

But, look up Reflex vs Scatz. A few people have random matches against Yoshis.
 

Croi

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Made them myself.

I don't really know much about the MU, honestly. Bait the nair - it telegraphs and if he whiffs that then he's a sitting duck. Keep your eyes peeled for the bair, it's strong and it's hitbox lasts for eternity. If he's carrying an item, nine times out of ten Drake will glide-toss with it. Other than those, idk, just play patient and defensive, ROB doesn't really like to approach so try and force him to.
 

Labernash

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Hey guys, I'm going to a tourney tomorrow! Wish me luck!

But, mainly, I should be getting some matches recorded! Can't wait for critiques!!
 

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I'm not sure why most of my videos aren't up yet, but, I'll have a capture card after tonight, so I'll be able to regularly put up videos quickly now, even friendlies. :)
 
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