Wario Q&A Thread

[6HyPeR9]

I always thought Sonic gets ***** the most by bite.
Then again maybe the Sonic I play sucks.

 

[leatherhead93]

Bait roll and bite :D
But yeah olimar rolls alot so you can probably punish him better with dair

 

[Juno McGrath]

lmao if your playing someone whos going to roll into you, youve got no reason to lose anyway, bite or no bite ;P

 

[leatherhead93]

Wario CAN pressure olimar to roll though. Just saying =(

 

[Masky]

..........

 

[toobusytocare]

bite is good vs snake, d3, diddy, and wario too

 

[Masky]

..........

 

[toobusytocare]

not the way i use it

 

[Damage Points]

I find a way to use bite in most matchups.

 

[Excellence]

I think Bite is pretty bad outside of match-ups where Wario can just pester an opponent so much that they resort to Shielding out of habbit. I think the only time I really like it is versus Jigglypuff, Dedede, Wario, Diddy, and ******** Snake's that think Mortar Slide is Snake's only approach. : ]

 

[toobusytocare]

bite is an air grab and it beats dodges. good move, just dont be bad using it

 

[Excellence]

How to beat Zelda? She does nothing but spam FAir and BAir over and over and just combo stupid **** like throws into Up Smash x2 and other dumb stuff.

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

How to beat Zelda? She does nothing but spam FAir and BAir over and over and just combo stupid **** like throws into Up Smash x2 and other dumb stuff.

Camp her Zelda's such a ***** I hate her. Usmash ***** nair *****.

Also her recovery is gimpable/ punishable Look to abuse this and look to punish her laggy moves.

 

[Excellence]

How do you deal with the annoying FAir/BAir because as far as I know it's too laggy to punish and has priority over everything I do making it like a ****ing wall. Then there's her Down Smash which makes trying to get behind her a *****. NAir is there to piss me off and nothing else. And the fact that I'm playing this Zelda on Wifi makes this an even bigger hell.

 

[toobusytocare]

i just dont be above zelda ever

 

[Lord Chair]

Don't play wifi.

Camp.

 

[Excellence]

What's the match-up ratio?

Uhm, what exactly should I be doing to approach her? I've been trying a lot of things from just trying to poke her with F-Air to running into shield to treating her like ROB and jumping into shield then popping out with NAir and stuff.

 

[toobusytocare]

6:4 warios favor, just learn to not get hit by usmash and everything else is easy

 

[leatherhead93]

Zelda is one my easiest matchups. Now first you cant just approuch retardly. She will **** you if you get to aggresive. You can at certain parts of the match *like when shes up in the air*. ANyway at the start just jump around and wait for an chance to approuch. Thats normally what i do and it works. Zeldas will normally spam upsmash more in this mathcup so jump bait them and punish it. Works alot for me. The move has a notable amount of ending lag so you can punish it will dair. Her fsmash however is pretty safe on shield so just retreat if she hits your shield since wario doesnt have much he can do about it. Also Zeldas fair and bair are garbage in this matchup you should be able to punish her with almost all your aerials if shes not spacing them. She should only be able to land them if she grab releases you which zelda is terriable at getting. If shes spamming nair just back off for a bit. Thats actually the time i pull out bike. Once you have tires out she will most likely use her reflector attack which you can punish with bite.
Overall just play the matchup more. Im kinda bad at explaining matchups unless i JUST played them lol. But you shouldnt lose to a zelda once you get used to her bullcrap.

 

[Excellence]

Are you playing a good Zelda or just one who likes to spam? I'm playing a pretty good one and he doesn't just sit there and spam things. He plays one of the campiest games in the world and will keep camping Din's Fire until I actually decide to approach. Once I get within a certain range he starts running around and using Zelda's FAir and BAir which she can use TWICE in a shorthop meaning, no you probably can't punish her when she uses it because A) it's really fast and B) the priority on it wrecks anything but Bite and I think NAir beats it when it isn't sweetspotted. Everything this Zelda does is spaced to perfection. Tires are sometimes bad for me because he's not afraid to Glide Toss them as an approach or retreat.

I'm just going to camp more because I am very aggressive.

 

[leatherhead93]

I have matches i can send you of how i play zelda.
However if its a zelda who beats you on wifi wouldnt really worry about it.

 

[Excellence]

I have matches i can send you of how i play zelda.
However if its a zelda who beats you on wifi wouldnt really worry about it.

I know that the reason I can't punish everything is because of Wifi but I am still doing a few things wrong and I want to win anyway.

Yeah, send me the videos. That way at least I can see what you're doing.

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

Are you playing a good Zelda or just one who likes to spam? I'm playing a pretty good one and he doesn't just sit there and spam things. He plays one of the campiest games in the world and will keep camping Din's Fire until I actually decide to approach. Once I get within a certain range he starts running around and using Zelda's FAir and BAir which she can use TWICE in a shorthop meaning, no you probably can't punish her when she uses it because A) it's really fast and B) the priority on it wrecks anything but Bite and I think NAir beats it when it isn't sweetspotted. Everything this Zelda does is spaced to perfection. Tires are sometimes bad for me because he's not afraid to Glide Toss them as an approach or retreat.

I'm just going to camp more because I am very aggressive.

Zelda can't force wario to approach and Camping Din's doesn't work against Wario. I've played both spectrums on the MU. Zelda's bair can only be done twice in a SH not a fair. Even when it hits it can be punished. He's just getting you with a lot of gimmicky things that are working on you because of your lack of knowledge in the MU.

 

[Dynomite]

Zelda can't force wario to approach and Camping Din's doesn't work against Wario. I've played both spectrums on the MU. Zelda's bair can only be done twice in a SH not a fair. Even when it hits it can be punished. He's just getting you with a lot of gimmicky things that are working on you because of your lack of knowledge in the MU.

If zelda is only going to spam dins fire? cant you crash your bike on the ledge and get the tires and spam those back? its not that hard to avoid dins fire.

Doesnt take that long to get a tire either.

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

If zelda is only going to spam dins fire? cant you crash your bike on the ledge and get the tires and spam those back? its not that hard to avoid dins fire.

Doesnt take that long to get a tire either.

I don't think so If you're on the bike Dins actually because useful however if you're both in neutral position and you're firing off Din's it's not going to work since it's so easily avoided.

 

[Pwneroni]

in my experience, zelda gets ****ed up by wario combos. only thing you really have to watch out for is grab release to doom kick, usmash, and uair. she doesn't have a stellar defensive game so enough pressure should crack the egg we call zelda.

wario's nair is instrumental in said pressure and wario combos.

make some scrambled zelda with cheese

 

[Dynomite]

I don't think so If you're on the bike Dins actually because useful however if you're both in neutral position and you're firing off Din's it's not going to work since it's so easily avoided.

No i mean if zelda is the whole map away spamming dins fire. You go to the other side and crash your bike (still on the other side) and get the tire and spam tires back. Not ride your bike across. dins will knock you off of that.

 

[toobusytocare]

zelda is just one of those matchups that you play it a bit then you figure it out and never lose again

 

[Juno McGrath]

Yeah ive been holding back on an opinion on the matchup thus far for that exact reason. once you beat it consistantly you wont lose again.

But Im sure someone has said this but just dont full hop downair. upsmash will be over there.

yeah. it be over there.

short hop downair instead. that was my only problem with this matchup at first but after about 2 times i gave up on full hop dair lmao.

 

[Excellence]

Here's what I have trouble with because maybe then I'll just give up on things that don't work.

Approaching Zelda: He's always retreating things and moving backward or throwing out double BAir to try and wall me and things like that. I try to get around the BAir's by Air Doding through them then I get DSmashed, if I try and jump over them and come down with DAir then I get Up Smashed, if I try and jump over it and not attack I get NAired, if I jump over it and Air Dodge then I usually end up with my back to the ledge or close to it.

BAir/FAir Spam: He's abusing the fact that I have no idea what to do against these moves. Literally, before he discovered the right way to use them he didn't win so what's the deal. Does anything beat these attacks, should I jump into shield when I anticipate them or just Air Dodge and do something else? I dunno so you tell me.

Oh and can you punish her FSmash on shield?

Those are my two issues, everything else is peachy.

 

[Pwneroni]

I have a question or two.

1. Uair to Uair at low percents -"Concert Combo": true combo or not? does 30%, works on everyone and i've only missed it once ever. pretty sure MK can't dair in between the hits, closest i've come to getting daired i heard the sound of the attack but it didn't come out, still got the clap off.

2. Tire-Bite trap - if you are above someone while holding a tire, could you z drop the tire then fall down with a bite? just thought of this, the tire would force them to shield, punish them if they do anything else, and the bite would go thru their shield. they could roll away, but then you could just grab the tire and start from neutral position.

can't test this out, took a spill on my longboard and got road rash on my hands. also why it's hard to capitalise letters :/

 

[leatherhead93]

Yeah i use uair to uair as well. Not sure if it a true combo because sometimes ppl airdodge it but i think thats just a case of me being slow. Might want to ask someone else for concrete evidence.

 

[tedeth]

Yes, Uair->uair can be a true combo. Might be character dependant i donno.

And with the tire thing, you'd have to like, z-drop the tire as you were rising for the jump, otherwise you'd eat your own tire.

Also have people noticed that if Wario is right up against a ledge with his back to it and he throws an item down, it actually goes directly below the edge? Fair cool. Donno if other characters can do it.

 

[Pwneroni]

yeah the string is really fast like BAMBAM! not bam....bam.

also if the opponent airdodges after the 2nd clap, potential fart opportuinity. that's what i call a **** brawl combo!

 

[Juno McGrath]

yeah you can call the airdodge with just about anything. which is always a good strategy.


if you dont want to use a waft. lmao.

 

[Asa]

there was some talk about momentum cancelling in the wario guide/mu thread, but i didn't see any definite answers

what is wario's best momentum cancel?

and does bike braking really work?

 

[leatherhead93]

So i survived a snake uptilt at 121% on brinstar using uair
discuss

 

[leatherhead93]

Also does the new rules help wario in any way?

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

So i survived a snake uptilt at 121% on brinstar using uair
discuss

how fresh was the utlit?

What new rules?

 

[Asa]

I think he's talking about the new stage list setup

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=282811