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thanksI believe it has super armor on Frame 8 and not a lot of range. Since no one else releases as badly as Ness/Lucas, you'd have to use it as a super armor counter, which would work in select positions (maybe to go through Olimar's U-Smash on grab-release, as it outspeeds his Frame-11 grab). Requires a hard read, but it does 20% by itself, so it's probably worth looking into if a reasonably frame-neutral position can be forced. That's why D-Throw -> F-Smash works sometimes--People often want to punish you when you have slight frame advantage.