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It's always Waluigi time in this thread.
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...Dang it...Yeah, you are right... Waluigi Time occurs outside of our hearts.
Even Toads know it is Waluigi Time!It's always Waluigi time in this thread.
Toad and Waluigi taunt Sakurai together in newcomer heaven.Even Toads know it is Waluigi Time!
Expecting Waluigi Time in Smash Bros ? Too badYou know, I've said this over at the Social Thread. And I'll say it here...
Even if he never got in. It will always be Waluigi Time in our hearts.
But remember, it's always Waluigi time in our hearts...Expecting Waluigi Time in Smash Bros ? Too bad
Gotta keep the spirit alive, y´know.But remember, it's always Waluigi time in our hearts...
Well, he could open up a bridal boutique (points if you get the reference)...Gotta keep the spirit alive, y´know.
So, i was thinking the other day, if Waluigi got into a main game or his own role, what would it be like ? In my opinion, there are plenty of possibilities, but not all would be as fitting as they would seem. While beggars can´t be choosers, let´s take a look at them.
Warning: Long post ahead
IT´S A WAANDERFUL GAMEWAA
WHAT IS THIS, YOU MAY ASK ? IT´S WALUIGI, YOU IDIOT. AND WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT MY CLOTHES ? THIS IS MY NEW OUTFIT ( AT LEAST FOR NOW ).
BUT WALUIGI, WHY WOULD YOU CHANGE YOUR AMAZINGLY FABULOUS PURPLE AND BLACK OVERALLS FOR THIS TACKY VEST ?
WELL, SIT DOWN. WALUIGI IS ABOUT TO TELL A STORY...
ONCE UPON A TIME, THERE WAS A FANTASTIC MAN CALLED WALUIGI. HE WAS THE NUMBER ONE, YOU-KNOW. BUT, APPARENTLY, NINTENDO, HIS BOSS, WAS ENVIOUS OF HIS PRESENCE. SO THEY DID EVERYTHING THEY COULD TO KEEP WALUIGI´S MIGHT AWAY FROM THEM, WHILE TAKING CARE NOT TO DISTURB THIS GOD IN PURPLE.
NOW, WALUIGI IS SAD,SAD,SAD, BECAUSE THEY DON´T LET HIM DO WALUIGI TIME. BUT THAT IS ABOUT TO CHANGE. WALUIGI IS PROTESTING AGAISN´T NINTENDO. HE IS CHANGING HIS CLOTHES, REFUSING TO SHOW UP AND BEING AS WILD AS HE WAS BORN TO BE. AND, SINCE THEY WON´T GIVE ME MY OWN GAME, I WILL MAKE MY OWN. BECAUSE NO ONE TAMES WALUIGI
"ahem"
I let Waluigi explain the situation because he hasn´t said anything in a while, and his words are more charming than mine. Anyway, Waluigi is sick of being Nintendo´s butt for jokes, and he wants his own adventure. However, he doesn´t know what to do. The purpose of this post is to help him find an idea for a game. Since the thread has been quite active lately, i feel like this is the right time to do this
Post your ideas on this thread (IF YOU DARE) and I, and Waluigi, will answer them. I may also post my own.
I got the reference, and i liked itWell, he could open up a bridal boutique (points if you get the reference)...
I'm so mad that they haven't given him something like this in the Warioware games yet. It would make so much sense! He would be Wario's partner in crime (aka co-owner of Wario's businesses), and he could own multiple side businesses that are separate from Wario's for the most part. He could have a demolition company (explaining his affinity for bombs), a scrap metal shop (which he uses materials from to help Wario with his inventions, namely the hardware used for Wario's game systems or whatever), and an automobile repair shop (he would be the one keeping Wario's bike, Mona's scooter, etc. in good shape). It's so obvious!
So Rosalina commanded Luma to tickle him on his chin to make him feel better?He's right. Rosalina cheated. Waluigi was planned, but Rosalina went to Mr. Sakurai and........ummmmm.........
Let's just say that "she did some things" that Mr. Sakurai liked and made him feel nice, and she promised she would do it again every single night as long as she was in Smash 4.
Close.So Rosalina commanded Luma to tickle him on his chin to make him feel better?
GAME IDEA 2: MARIO AND LUIGI:SUPERVILLAIN SAGA/RPGFar more likely in the RPGs, and that’s where Wario and Waluigi would be best used anyway. The often suggested Wario and Waluigi: Partners in Crime would be amazing
I got the reference, and i liked it
GAME IDEA 1: A BRIDAL BOUTIQUE GAME/FORTUNE STREET-ESQUE GAME ?
WALUIGI´S CREW
A game consisting of Waluigi opening a bridal boutique shop and attending costumers from the Mushroom Kingdom would be a funny idea, but not one that would be very productive. After all, a game consisting of a bridal boutique wouldn´t be that enjoyable. Unless we tackle this issue with a different eyesight.
A game that consisted of Waluigi opening business ( one of the possibilities being a bridal boutique shop ) in the Mushroom Kingdom or some new place in a similar way to Fortune Street, however, is a much better idea. How about this: Waluigi is trying to find a job. He already works as the owner of his oil motor company, construction company and creator of weapons. However, he wants to, not only expand his current business, but create more. The game deals with Waluigi trying to open business, creating the buildings he needs to, destroy other buildings and deal with rivals trying to get in his way, such as Foreman Spike, or another nosy jerk trying to stand in the way of our big-nosed jerk.
Waluigi could get an costume redesign, altough this will be discussed later
This idea pays homage to the Wrecking Crew games and the Bridal Boutique joke, fits with Waluigi´s greedy and jerkish business man personality, and allows for Waluigi to have his own universe, with his own cast of characters and locations. It would be to Waluigi what WarioWare was to Wario. The only problem is that this game would have to come after Waluigi having appeared on a main game or his own. Current viewers should be as used to the character as people were when WarioWare came out. Waluigi´s characteristics should be more explored and demonstrated in order for the game to fit
Overall, i give this idea a 9/10. It´s an ideal direction for the dastardly cheater to go after having his own adventure
GAME IDEA 2: MARIO AND LUIGI:SUPERVILLAIN SAGA/RPG
An RPG game featuring, or starring, Wario and Waluigi is an great idea, albeit one that has been wasted. Nether one of these two had appeared in the RPG games. Wario was set-up for a cameo in Partners in Time, but he, and all the other characters who would appear, were replaced by E.Gadd. Waluigi was perfect for a Dream Team appearence, even if just a cameo inside Luigi´s mind, but he wasn´t even mentioned. The Wario Bros have a chemistry with the Mario Bros that should be explored a lot more. An RPG where the 4 mustaches team up would be a pleasure to the eyes, just to see the two pairs interact with each other. However, there is the issue of why on earth would the Wario´s team up with the Mario´s. At best, all i see is an RPG where they have parallel stories that end up crossing themselves. 6/10. The idea sounds and isgood, but the story would have to take all sorts of twists and turns in order to make this team-up happen
GAME IDEA 3: WARIO AND WALUIGI: PARTNERS IN CRIME
Everytime someone discusses an idea for a Wario & Waluigi game, the name Partners in Crime comes across. An RPG/platformer featuring the two doing what they do best: comedic villainy. There are numerous ideas to get these two together on a adventure that fits their characters. Overall, this is a 9/10 idea. Why not 10/10 ? Because the idea is a game for Waluigi, not Waluigi and Wario. While this idea is excellent, the end result would be that, like M & L, the game would end up focusing more on Wario unless the circunstances said otherwise. This is one of the reasons why it´s not a good idea for Waluigi to be in a Wario Land game.
But still, a fantastic idea. 9.5/10
Okay then...If Waluigi did get his own game without riding Wario’s coattails, I think it would specifically have to play on his underdog Dick Dastardly complex. Essentially, characters would treat Waluigi like they treat Luigi in some of the Mario and Luigi titles, with nobody knowing who he even was and him having to rise to fame. While Psycho Waluigi had some questionable level design, it was on the right track giving him a new ability for a gimmick. Maybe like in that game, Waluigi finds some artifact to give him some new power to give him more interesting gameplay, and with this new power he has the motivation to go out and garner the fame he needs?
First he tries to get fame by being a hero and defeating the local villian, but this doesn’t take up that much of the game. Afterwards when he still hasn’t gained that much fame for it, he goes to more villainous methods to get people to acknowledge him. For the generic optional “collectibles” of the game, there are specific spots where Waluigi can graffiti his emblem, unlocking some extra levels by doing this due to having more “fame”. He doesn’t even particularly want to be a hero or villain, he just wants to leave his mark on the world.
''He already works as the owner of his OIL MOTOR COMPANY, construction company and creator of weapons. However, he wants to, not only expand his current business, but create more. The game deals with Waluigi trying to open business, creating the buildings he needs to, destroy other buildings and deal with rivals trying to get in his way ''3 game ideas for Waluigi and none of them are Waluigi Oil Company
I think you’re grossly exaggerating and over-interpreting such a simplistic character just because there isn’t a lot to go on. Yes, Waluigi would be more brutal in a more adult themed series, but so would Bowser/Wario/etc. Think of the “There will be Brawl” interpretation of Wario, as an example. I don’t think Waluigi’s level of “evil” is higher than Wario’s, given how they seem like two peas in a pod in the various Camelot intros for sports games (Most notably Gamecube Tennis). If anything, Waluigi is less evil than Wario, as Waluigi can’t be as motivated to do anything by raw greed like him. Waluigi is more of a prankster and conman archetype. Maybe a thief, but that’s about as far as I see him going. Comparing Waluigi to characters like Walter White and the Joker is very ridiculous. Given he’s mostly in sports games, the earlier comparison I made to Dick Dastardly is best – he’ll do his best to cheat and get ahead, but it’s not like he’s going to just spontaneously murder his opponents. A darker Waluigi like what you’re suggesting also loses a lot of the more humorous likable aspects of the character.Okay then...
GAME IDEA 4: WALUIGI´S OWN ADVENTURE
WAA ! WALUIGI LIKES THIS IDEA BEST
Altough there is a long time to come before Nintendo acknowledges Waluigi´s potential for an adventure, i will already say that this is the best idea, simply because of the possibilities. Waluigi seems to be the Nintendo poster boy for the unliked underdogs, the oddball weirdo of the Mario franchise. As Martinet puts it, ''Waluigi feels like all the good things that should be happening to him are happening to other people".
A game starring the purple cheater would be great for establishing the character in Nintendo´s history, and expanding his role further, without necessarily shunning him further into obscurity. Waluigi is too selfish and similar to Wario to be in the WarioWare series. Why would he help his partner in a scheme that won´t benefit him ? Waluigi would most likely try to take the company for himself.
I don´t see him helping the Mario Bros either, and if he were to appear on a Luigi game, the role he would get would be something like this.
Neither can he depend on Wario for a role. Luigi started to gain notoriety after having games were he wasn´t the player 2. He was the protagonist. The problem is, Luigi´s games still had a Mario feel to them. They were mostly "Mario games with his green and coward bro".Luigi has enough substance and character to make games of his own, with his own themes and attributes, without going away from his character, and so does Waluigi. A Waluigi game should not be a "Wario game with his lanky, weird partner". It should be a Waluigi game, with Waluigi´s attributes and characteristics. Wario Land was a game with mechanics that worked since the game played like a brutish and sluggish Mario game. Since Luigi´s games follow the Mario mechanics, how would Waluigi´s games work ? By following Mario´s mechanics again ? Quite simply, i believe Nintendo has to create a true "Luigi" game in order to make a good "Waluigi" game.
Which leads to the next topic.
The greatest issue is the character himself. A Waluigi game should exist, just not right now. Why ? It´s not because of the character´s reception ( which is pretty good at this time ) or profits constraints. It´s because of Nintendo´s issues with dealing with their own characters. Let´s compare these two games
Shadow The Hedgehog
Wario Land
What are the differences and similarities between these two games ? Wario Land launched the popular character of Wario into a greater role, gave him his own characteristics and playground and turned him into a franchise. Shadow The Hedgehog took the popular character of Shadow, maximized his characteristics until they weren´t tolerable and shattered a cracked fanbase. These games had the same promise, and it shows. Both characters are very similar to the protagonists of their franchises, but they are darker, less moral and extreme. Where Wario Land succeded ? By showing the previously one-dimensional character of Wario in a brand new light. Suddendly we saw the reason why he did the things he did, we respected him and even sympathized for him. The game played like a brutish and less acrobatic version of a Mario game, which is the way Wario was portrayed. He took Mario´s characteristics a step further and added his own. Shadow the Hedgehog took a previously established character who ended his life in a high note and worsened his traits. Shadow became whiny, angsty. The previously mysterious character was angsting all the time with issues that he should have long ago dealt with. The game added the options of guns and motorcycles, which is a nice break from the current Sonic gameplay. However, if you are a hypersonic hedgehog who can control time and fire destructive blasts of energy, why would you use a motorcycle ?. Quite simply, the idea was good, but it wasn´t executed as well as intended
Like Wario and Shadow, Waluigi himself is a darker and more amoral than the character who he comes from. However, Waluigi manages to one-up Wario in that regard because of how much does Waluigi deviate from the series as a whole. Waluigi, quite simply, has showed no positive qualities so far. He lies, he cheats, he deceives, and he does everything in his power to destroy his rivals, in a similar way to Bowser. However, Bowser has his soft qualities, such as his crush on Peach, his children ( even the Koopalings), how well he treats his followers, his willingness to step aside and play a game with Mario, etc. Waluigi´s life basically consists of attending the party games and dealing with his own business, a.k.a: taking care of his piranha plant army (Mario Party 3), continuously stalk Luigi or find ways to defeat the brothers, etc. But what really makes him stand-out is his motivation. Bowser is motivated by his desire for conquest and an unfulfilled love. Wario is motivated by greed. DK, when he does something bad, does it due to an inability to control his insticts. Kamek, Koopalings, etc do the things they do out of loyalty for Bowser. These are the most frequent bad guys because they fit the Mario series better. In the Mario series, the bad guys are never evil, just misguided. Waluigi falls into that rule, according to Charles Martinet, because of his self-pity and desire to be the best. However, i´ve made a deeper analysis of the character...
The other bad guys of the Mario series are those we see in the RPG´s; Fawful, Princess Shroob, Dark Star, Dimentio, etc. These characters are driven by insanity, hate or a simple desire for conquest. They are not misguided. They know they are bad, and they know they hurt people, and they like it. King Boo falls into this pattern. And, surprisingly, so does Waluigi. Waluigi is motivated by two things: his desire to prove himself, show the world he is the best and become the number one superstar, and his hatred for the kingdom, who continuously makes fun of him and "cheats" him out. He does what he does because he feels like he has no other option, and, according to the Mario Tennis bio, he believes that, until he destroys the Mario Brothers, he will not succeed in anything.
He´s a Mario character who, examined deep enough, shows a disturbing depression and repressed rage (Luigi, altough his is noticeably less extreme) , masked in boisterous showmanship and the "i´m number one" act (Wario)
Sweet dreams...
My point is: making a series that follows a hero with nothing heroic whatsoever isn´t uncommon in recent works of fiction. Characters like Dexter, Hannibal and Walter White are the protagonists, but their characters are so inhuman and incapable of redemption that we feel bad for rooting for them. While Waluigi has never done anything that bad, his personality fits with the actions those 3 are capable of. Dexter murders dozens of people. Hannibal has zero indifference over those he eats, and Walter White poisons a child and manipulates even his family for the sake of his ego. They all put on facades ( Waluigi acts like Wario to mask the fact that he is more like Luigi than he would like to admit ) to mask the fact that, deep down, they are troubled persons who are desperate for power. Waluigi would do anything to be popular, and is quite capable of being a threat when he puts his mind into it (Mario Party 3, Mario Party-e, DDR: Mario Mix). What stops Waluigi from standing in the same spot as other tragic and monstrous characters such as Norman Bates, Jeff the Killer and Joker is the fact that he comes from a series aimed primarily at children, his emotion is more of self-pity than that of violence ( since the Mario series avoids hostile characters ) and he hasn´t done any such monstrous deed. The worst so far is his claim to enslave the world in DDR: Mario Mix, and even Bowser has planned worse.
While this seems like a load of crazy bull****, one has to remember that Waluigi´s character seems to be getting sillier with each game, no longer setting up bombs for the player or kicking Bowser´s ***, and, in Mario Kart 7, he seems to have been removed not only because of time constraints, but due to the game´s director seeing his frame as unfitting for the product´s charm [http://www.gamememo.com/2012/01/22/mario-kart-7-waluigi/]. Thanks to the Mario series´s tone, Waluigi is more silly and weird than creepy, but if we removed him from these games, then what ?
He would still remain silly and weird, of course. The character wasn´t made with the intention of being scary. While Waluigi is far from being the "creepy pedophile" people talk about, i still think this character is quite dark for such a light-hearted game. it´s even mentioned in his first Mario Tennis bio. "Most characters of the Mario series tend to have positive attitudes, but Waluigi seems to be lacking that, and he clearly doesn´t want it". Remember in the Mario Strikers games were everyone suddenly turned violent ? Waluigi still stood out, at least amongs´t game dialogue, as the despicable and jerkish one
TL:DR: A Waluigi game would be the best idea, but it need darker themes for a darker character while retaining the silliness of the Mario series, and Luigi needs to have more defined games
I think i write too much...
You know, you´re actually right. I did went a bit overboard on interpretations. I tried to think of the character in a context outside of the Mario series. I apologize for having gone WAY over-the-top. However, i still stand true by some of my statements.While it´s true that the characters of the series would be changed in a more adult setting, i chose Waluigi as the stand-out example because of how we never saw him outside of the sports contest, and we don´t know what he is capable of so far. The most we have seen were his attempts to take over the world in DDR:Mario Mix, and we all know how that turned out.I think you’re grossly exaggerating and over-interpreting such a simplistic character just because there isn’t a lot to go on.
This actually raises 2 very good questions: What motivates Waluigi ? What evil thing has he ever done ?Yes, Waluigi would be more brutal in a more adult themed series, but so would Bowser/Wario/etc. Think of the “There will be Brawl” interpretation of Wario, as an example. I don’t think Waluigi’s level of “evil” is higher than Wario’s, given how they seem like two peas in a pod in the various Camelot intros for sports games (Most notably Gamecube Tennis). If anything, Waluigi is less evil than Wario, as Waluigi can’t be as motivated to do anything by raw greed like him. Maybe a thief, but that’s about as far as I see him going.
Comparing Waluigi to the Joker, Hannibal and Jeff the Killer was a massive overstatement and a mistake of my part. The reason why i chose the Joker was because of the similar narcisism, lack of care for others, resentment at the world and the passion for chaos. Waluigi claims to wish to flood the world with chaos in DDR: Mario Mix, and the Joker is a well known agent of chaos. But the Joker´s actions are far too terrific and selfless.Those 3 characters are pure evil. They have no characteristics that enable us to feel sorry for them. They are incapable of having any feelings for anyoneComparing Waluigi to characters like Walter White and the Joker is very ridiculous. Given he’s mostly in sports games, the earlier comparison I made to Dick Dastardly is best – he’ll do his best to cheat and get ahead, but it’s not like he’s going to just spontaneously murder his opponents. A darker Waluigi like what you’re suggesting also loses a lot of the more humorous likable aspects of the character.
It was you ????The point about the Deadly Sins.....I can't help but feel one of my GameFaqs posts about the duo inspired that point.
I guess you're rightYou're not alone, @ Z1GMA
Though Waluigi is at least an assist trophy. There are thousands of hardcore fans who would love to see their character represented at all in Smash, but they're too obscure to get a mention. I count it as a blessing we get even what we do for Waluigi, it's better than nothing. There's always next game for a playable slot.
This is amazing, thanks for sharing. I hope Sakurai sees this and realizes he made a big mistake!I'll just leave this here:
I don't see why Pit has to go to play as Waluigi. I mean, they added Mewtwo, Roy, and seperated all transformations and have to cut anyone.
Waluigi may not be joining the Wii U/3DS game, but we can always have Waluigi Time and wait for this to be released for our Project: M (and the vanilla Brawl version).
Sure, we'd have to sacrifice Pit, but who cares about that ***** angel anyway?
.....Because this is someone else's mod, not from the P:M team.I don't see why Pit has to go to play as Waluigi. I mean, they added Mewtwo, Roy, and seperated all transformations and have to cut anyone.
Ah well, at least this opens up a whole new opportunities for NPCs to become playable. Do you know what this means for me?
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Sandbag for Project M!