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[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Wow, can't believe we're at L-2. Thread apathy makes me actually want to start drinking.

Rake here, mad posts incoming.


Ryu: I'm putting Soup to the backburner because your play is actually so janky i refuse to let you slide by without some explanation. Wrt Ran: Me and orbo were sold on scum Ran, to be frank, and a lot of our reads stemmed from what would happen D2 with Ran still around.

Mine or Dabuz?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

youdon't need to write a wall but a few sentences explaining what you liked doesnt hurt.
joey ill get to you when im at a comp later

Back to this, I was getting a town lean from him off behavior and his attitude. A sense of him being right, but I wasn't sure til today where he made himself more gun ho. I like that more because scum very rarely shows that kind of commitment and with PJB, I think with play here, not meta thought it helps with my read. Him doing that makes more sense.

 

[Dooms]

Ryu, focus on the line where he says this:

"Random note but while reading #186, I notice Orbo and Masq. have such similar trains of thought, could see both of them as scum if one of them flips scum."

What are your thoughts on this line specifically?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'm sorry; jeez.

I'm not seeing anything particularly scummy; but I will say that Zen is uber-town.

Umm, Zen flipped town so this doesn't help us.

What about the others in the game?

 

[FullMetalLynch]

I'm sorry; jeez.

I'm not seeing anything particularly scummy; but I will say that Zen is uber-town.

zen's dead, just how far back are you?

Mine or Dabuz?

both, but more so dabuz because you just got in.

How is his 266 a direct scum backdoor? It's page seven and he shows conflict on his read on Joey. It's not a certain town or scum read but I don't see a direct scum read off what he did there.

Also I don't see the hypocracy of handling FML doing the same thing that Dabuz did, where was this?

more o backdoor to me because he says in the same opost how he is seeing town joey, but the way he said it feels like he wanted the ability to return to joey at a later point.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

WashedLaundry replaces YOLOSWAG! Thanks Laundry!

Furthermore, I grant WL permission to replace out and replace back in with Agromed if he ever wishes.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Ryu, focus on the line where he says this:

"Random note but while reading #186, I notice Orbo and Masq. have such similar trains of thought, could see both of them as scum if one of them flips scum."

What are your thoughts on this line specifically?

He thinks you could be linked if one or the other flipped scum.

There is no backdoor there, he's showing himself not to be a fan of FML but thinks while he is conflicted on you, if FML flipped scum you would be a likely linked candidate.

I can't answer really why he thought this in particular that two people having similar thoughts being linked in itself. It's not a good reason, he did have reasons to dislike both slots and saw them being buddy buddy with one another, which is all I can say about it.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

both, but more so dabuz because you just got in.

Yeah you really don't have a reason to scum read me that isn't shoddy at best.

more o backdoor to me because he says in the same opost how he is seeing town joey, but the way he said it feels like he wanted the ability to return to joey at a later point.

This is a reach and you know it.

He clearly wasn't sure about his read with recent joey posts.

This is not directly leaving a backdoor, if he approached it as such later, then yes it could be scummy, but you have a guess on what he could do with it not what he did, aka your playing a WIFOM game with that comment, since it can be argued for town and scum very fairly.

It depends on what he does with it.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

the ****, zen is dead though @ kbg -.-

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Vote Count​

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1. PB+J​

2. Vinyl.​

3. -Masquerain-​

4. Red Ryu (1) - FML​

5. Bad Wolf​

6. Missing Person​

7. FML (3) - PB+J, RR, MP​

8. Keybladeguy​

9. Washedlaundry​

​

Not voting: Vinyl., Joey, Kaybladeguy, WL, BW​

​

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. ​

​

Deadline has been set to 09/26/13 at 11:59pm EST.​

 

[Capybara Gaming]

i'm pretty close to the beginning; this is the first time I've really checked in since the site crash. It's been a busy week (I'm Jewish; Yom Kippur and Succot all in one week), so please don't be angry with me.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I would like other people's thoughts on what FML stated in his 827 before I comment on it myself. Laundry and Ryu please reflect on that post and Dabuz' 266. I would like your opinions specifically.

i ain't grabbing posts from a phase ages ago that are completely out of context. you want my thoughts on it, you're gonna have to grab it and explain the context a little

fwiw i don't like ruy so you've got a good incentive going in

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

if kbg gets replaced this would be a decent game

as it stands...

I was reading a little bit earlier trying to get my feet wet before I jumped headfirst into the pool cold. From my understanding, game progress has gone Zen Lynch>Ran NK>Present time period. Without wholly understanding the context of why those events occurred, I am going to assume that the typically scummy, "I play this game my way and randomly select targets to pressure and lynch" Zen showed up and didn't accomplish anything, while Ran with I'm guessing an active Soup pushed that lynch through. Ran later died for this.

The first thing I wanna get outta the way, because Ruy has so willingly decided to make a big deal out of it, is that the Ran shot almost makes sense from an entirely different point of view. His logic suggests that it was a safe shot only really capable of being made by intelligent players, such as Soup/my slot/whatever the **** made people think FML would do it, but that's not the case. Look at the playerlist. 11 players, my slot's practically safe, and scum may have wanted to keep Soup around based on a few offhand comments I read, particularly in his post where he requested replacement. In that light, Ran was the only sensible shot. He's generally very active, proactive as town, hard to get lynched, and was being a lynchpin to things getting done. That's 3/4 straight off the textbook reasons for scum to shoot someone. Where he missed was the last one: being right (one of JO_Oey's posts suggests that Ran hopped between four lynch targets and ultimately ended in a mislynch, sounds about as wrong as can be), and that's where I actually think the shot didn't have too much thought behind it but given what I can tell about activity levels and the remaining list, no one really qualified as the best shot outside of Ran. So, ultimately, I don't think one can really pigeonhole Ran's death as "a safe shot ergo a smart move a scum would make", as everything suggests that it was simply the only move scum could make. Can someone validate this?

This is why I dislike Ruy. As soon as he replaces in, he walks into the game immediately talking about Ran being shot. It's all he ****ing talked about. He kept saying it was safe and that it was only a move my slot (inactive), Soup's slot (inactive), or FML (pick of the day thus far) would make. It reeks of WIFOM. It's incredibly narrow-sighted as well, as I think a Ran shot could make sense from a lot of different views. Where I think it becomes sinister is the conclusion he draws from it--that a power player made that shot. I've known Ruy to be wrong, but that's still a bold accusation to make with nothing more than a hunch to back it up. Given that the scumteam is apparently afraid to shoot this slot and don't want to shoot Soup, it makes sense to pick two hard to lynch players and a guy who was seemingly on the chopping block before he even entered the game. I don't like him around one bit.

Also as a general rule of thumb, I don't like it when someone enters a phase completely unproked and starts trying to stir up discussion about where or why the NAs went where they were, particularly NKs. It reads of a similar interest as to someone showing up and starting an indy hunt--it's scum, trying to stick town's noses elsewhere and not where they should be.

vote: Ruy

p.s. your 712 sucks when did you become gheb?

FML vs PJB reads TvT. I don't know the circumstances to FML's scumminess or where this bandwagon came from, but from what I've observed today, I don't find FML very scummy here. He's trying to get some kind of a conversation going and no one's giving him the time of day, only for them to ***** at him for not really doing something when he's put out what he can and gets ignored when he tries to ask for more information. I get the whole "no wiggle room #HBC" **** but throw him a bone. I've seen nothing condemning from that slot, not over people like Ruy to say the least.

PJB, for the moment, does not read of EnA PJB but I think that PJB was a special PJB that kinda got pitched into a hole to start the game and never recovered. Either way, I think he's fairly town here, he just has a really nasty habit of tunneling that he should probably cut back on before it really starts to hurt town.

If scum somehow does not lie in any of these slots+mine, it resides between KBG, MP, BW, Joey, and Vinyl, and that's a ****ing nightmare to think about.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

why do i have to read d1 to get information on half the slots in the game holy ****

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

i ain't grabbing posts from a phase ages ago that are completely out of context. you want my thoughts on it, you're gonna have to grab it and explain the context a little

fwiw i don't like ruy so you've got a good incentive going in

ruy ironically likes this posts

whaddafuk

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

But WL, walls suck plane and simple.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Nah I like how you are playing, idgaf if you think I am scum.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Vote Count​

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1. PB+J​

2. Vinyl.​

3. -Masquerain-​

4. Red Ryu (1) - FML​

5. Bad Wolf​

6. Missing Person​

7. FML (3) - PB+J, RR, MP​

8. Keybladeguy​

9. Washedlaundry​

​

Not voting: Vinyl., Joey, Kaybladeguy, WL, BW​

​

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. ​

​

Deadline has been set to 09/26/13 at 11:59pm EST.​

Based on what I know about this:

Vinyl, KBG are essentially prod-dodging. I have no idea how much Soup cared about this game as that'll decide Soup's activity. MP replaced Vocal, who I assume was also prod-dodging. Joey is busy and I honestly don't know how much he's gotten better but I don't think that it's enough that scum would prioritize shooting Joey over Ran/Soup/KevinMarshy, and FML was apparently considered scummy. YOLOSWAG was apparently obv docbait, so that really did leave a choice between Soup and Ran.

gg poe also lol didn't read

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

But WL, walls suck plane and simple.

no really what the ****

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Nah dude, you know one of scum is a lot more experience than the other players.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

no really what the ****

fyi you are talking to brewyu atm.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

fyi you are talking to brewyu atm.

apparently you've been bruy for the past 2 days then

 

[FullMetalLynch]

im only half awake and can't fall back asleep and two am but i like laundry so far.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

apparently you've been bruy for the past 2 days then

wat 10 wats

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Nah dude, you know one of scum is a lot more experience than the other players.

I think it's possible but that possibility solely rests in the Soup slot and right now I have no information to assume it was Soup's slot.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

laundry this red of scumruy who has no scumhunting amd tries to throw out overconfiddent statements a la kantrip sometimes?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

wat 10 wats

aka your play is super lacking
stop posting and come back when you're sober

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

laundry this red of scumruy who has no scumhunting amd tries to throw out overconfiddent statements a la kantrip sometimes?

i really give no ****s about potato's play in tandem to ruy's here. i tend to try not to compare one player to another as everyone's meta is unique. ruy's play is 100% dislikable and if pjb takes off the blinders, he should see that.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Based on what I know about this:

Vinyl, KBG are essentially prod-dodging. I have no idea how much Soup cared about this game as that'll decide Soup's activity. MP replaced Vocal, who I assume was also prod-dodging. Joey is busy and I honestly don't know how much he's gotten better but I don't think that it's enough that scum would prioritize shooting Joey over Ran/Soup/KevinMarshy, and FML was apparently considered scummy. YOLOSWAG was apparently obv docbait, so that really did leave a choice between Soup and Ran.

gg poe also lol didn't read

vinyl and kgb assumptions correct, vocal posted all of twice?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

so tell me about how active soup was.

but i still don't see how the shot came down to any other than soup/ran/joey at best so ruy walking in here and being like "lol that was a smart shot" when any idiot knows not to shoot inactive/scummy people and not to hit the likely doc targets.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

aka your play is super lacking
stop posting and come back when you're sober

**** no you got me now, I like your slot work with me.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

soup iirc was fairly active throughout d1 but all he did was say my slotnwas garbage, then yel at zen for not talking to him and saying he wouldn't unvote him till he did, then switching to me when mrshy started that up. ill grab zens post with his votes if i can find it

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

**** no you got me now, I like your slot work with me.

what's there to work with

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

soup iirc was fairly active throughout d1 but all he did was say my slotnwas garbage, then yel at zen for not talking to him and saying he wouldn't unvote him till he did, then switching to me when mrshy started that up. ill grab zens post with his votes if i can find it

oh boy standard soup look at him go

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Dear Town​

Exhibit A:


Exhibit B:

Exhibit C:



Exhibit D:

Dear Ran​

This is sheeping, you hypocratic piece of sh*t​

this is the post, just follow the quote back to see the quotes zen sed.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

what's there to work with

Ruy is your bro, he wants to work with you, he doesn't like FML from D1 and from his back and forth with PJB, why is that TvT FML was trying to push it away from him and not trying to make it about trying to make his reads expand. Yes only PJB was responding to him, but expanding his reads he did not.

I hate his reads he posted to me, he has no solid reads and I don't buy ran flipping town is why. That means he didn't consider alternatives if he was wrong and what to look at, aka he is scum and didn't care who you lynch.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I think it's possible but that possibility solely rests in the Soup slot and right now I have no information to assume it was Soup's slot.

Initial player list.

1. PB+J*
2. Vinyl.*
3. -Masquerain-*
4. dabuz*
5. soup*
6. -Vocal-
7. Orboknown*
8. Keybladeguy*
9. Zen
10. Ranmaru*
11. YOLOSWAG (KevinM/marshy)
Zen got lynched, who among these would make that call on Ran over others? Vocal is afk aka he didn't make that call, Vinyl tends to listen to his partners when he is scum, PJB and Joey are semi similar but I do not think they would make that call on a scum team. I think the focus would shift elsewhere. Dabuz I've only been scum with him in the BBR and he changed a lot so I can't comment on what he would do. I have no info on Keyblade, but based on posts made d1, I do not think he would make that shot.
The shot had foresight, someone knew Ran was a call to make off what he did despite Zen flipping town.
Soup, FML or Yolo made that call, and I think Yolo is town, aka your slot.
Yes there is WIFOM in here but I am reading a shot based on experience. Ran was not an obvious shot, but he was a safe shot to avoid the doctor. I do not think the other two, Joey and PJB, would make that call over other players.
Yes it is heavily meta influenced, but no I do think you can limit down you made the shot in these situations.

 

[Missing Person]

Lawd Gawd, this game is hard for me to follow with all the replacements.

So Orbo = FullMetal?

Okay, I'm looking over some of this.

I'm guessing WashedLaundry was about at the same spot as me last night given his argument that Zen is town, so I'm going to really go back over this.

Could someone give me a cliff notes of who has become who from the starting lineup so I'm not as confused as all get out when it comes to reading this thread?

Shoot, I'm worried about whether I'll have to play defense or not based on what Vocal has/hasn't said/done, because I haven't seen much. Toughest part of rotating in so much later in the game, because I won't know the mindset Vocal had if I'm questioned about his posts.

Definitely a different beast of mafia over here at Smashboards than SRK. But good ish, gives me a chance to learn something new about playing these games.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

laundry isnt reading d1he just read the flips. orbo became me, vocal became you, soup became badwolf, dabuz became ryu, and yolo became laundry

 

[Missing Person]

Alright, good deal, RR was the last one I hadn't figured out.

So now I'm rereading everything. I'll have a megapost later on things that strike me.