Viridian City 8 : Oct 23rd |BDAY TOURNAMENT| RESULTS UP

[Inui]

will there be a side event aka brawl-?

lol @ that trash game

there will barely be enough time for the real events, dawg

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

How dont you like brawl- its like smash64 and all the good parts of brawl joined together

hey any game were MK (or any character for that matter) would not be in his own tier is better then brawl.

in fact yu yu hakusho dark tournament might be the only game with a character more unbalanced then MK

o and since i wont be going early happy b-day strife

 

[Allied]

How dont you like brawl- its like smash64 and all the good parts of brawl joined together

hey any game were MK would not be in his own tier is better then brawl.

in fact yu yu hakusho dark tournament might be the only game with a character more unbalanced then MK

o and since i wont be going early happy b-day strife

This game is actually surprisingly more balanced than most games even melee

At least you can use 20~ characters in this game and do well, In melee top 5-6 characters are only viable LOL

Brawl Minus isn't really that good.

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

brawl- is fun if u dont like it fine but just b/c its your opinion its nit that good does not make u right

i agree that brawl is balanced as long as u ignore the fact MK is in the game

no one cares how many characters do well its about who can win, i mean for melee taj got 17 at apex with mewtwo thats doing pretty dam well but u cant win with mewtwo alone, Same for Brawl you might do with with a not great character but if u cant win it does not matter

and MK is so unbalanced that there is a song about it that does not happen for balanced games

 

[Vex Kasrani]

brawl- is fun if u dont like it fine but just b/c its your opinion its nit that good does not make u right

i agree that brawl is balanced as long as u ignore the fact MK is in the game

no one cares how many characters do well its about who can win, i mean for melee taj got 17 at apex with mewtwo thats doing pretty dam well but u cant win with mewtwo alone, Same for Brawl you might do with with a not great character but if u cant win it does not matter

and MK is so unbalanced that there is a song about it that does not happen for balanced games

MK isn't THAT bad.

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

i use to play rob and i disagree i think MK is that bad

there are many reason why one could argue he is that bad but i am sure u have all heard it before so i wont go into i will say this he is more broken then pika in smash64 imo. but this is not really the place to be talking about this in fact i just asked a simple question and was responded too in a very unpleasant way when a simple no would of sufficed which makes me wonder why? i mean really a facepalm and someone telling me a game i enjoy is a trash game, i mean really whats the point of that its not like i came here and said o brawl is so bad why not just play brawl- but yet i get responded to in such a way. i remember when this community was nicer. Maybe u are trying to look down on this game i like b/c its what the melee players do to u but thats not really a reason to be rude about it. So i guess i am wondering why i was being responded to so rudely when a pleasant no would of sufficed is it that you are having a bad day, or are you just ***** for no reason?

 

[Allied]

i use to play rob and i disagree i think MK is that bad

there are many reason why one could argue he is that bad but i am sure u have all heard it before so i wont go into i will say this he is more broken then pika in smash64 imo. but this is not really the place to be talking about this in fact i just asked a simple question and was responded too in a very unpleasant way when a simple no would of sufficed which makes me wonder why? i mean really a facepalm and someone telling me a game i enjoy is a trash game, i mean really whats the point of that its not like i came here and said o brawl is so bad why not just play brawl- but yet i get responded to in such a way. i remember when this community was nicer. Maybe u are trying to look down on this game i like b/c its what the melee players do to u but thats not really a reason to be rude about it. So i guess i am wondering why i was being responded to so rudely when a pleasant no would of sufficed is it that you are having a bad day, or are you just ***** for no reason?

>i use to play rob



of course you think MK is bad, thats ROB's arguable worst matchup next to d3.

Didn't mean to insult your game, enjoy what you want sir. Sorry just going to let you know Brawl isn't that bad, nor is MK that bad hes just the BEST character. Happens most fighting games have the BEST character.

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

like i said i have nothing against brawl, but as u pointed out robs worst mu is mk or 2nd worst mu, and more or less everyone i like to play just keeps getting crushed by mk or mk and other things (at first i mained zelda ) so i gave up on brawl i got tired of all the annoying tactics such as planking and scrooging ect, and only recently i have gotten into brawl- and quickly became the best out of people i know (and they are decent people) so i am now looking for tourneys to test my skills.

Now about MK not being that bad i just want to point out some information i just recently heard, MK wins 33% of all tourneys, MK's planking has i believe 2 frames were he can be hit, 3rd his tornado cant be escaped as long as he fallows your di, and lastly and most importantly http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVFpRQdOuQ0

one last piece of info for no good reason, now if i ever play brawl i go shiek/zelda b/c i find it oddly funny they together are mid tier

 

[Allied]

like i said i have nothing against brawl, but as u pointed out robs worst mu is mk or 2nd worst mu, and more or less everyone i like to play just keeps getting crushed by mk or mk and other things (at first i mained zelda ) so i gave up on brawl i got tired of all the annoying tactics such as planking and scrooging ect, and only recently i have gotten into brawl- and quickly became the best out of people i know (and they are decent people) so i am now looking for tourneys to test my skills.

Now about MK not being that bad i just want to point out some information i just recently heard, MK wins 33% of all tourneys, MK's planking has i believe 2 frames were he can be hit, 3rd his tornado cant be escaped as long as he fallows your di, and lastly and most importantly http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVFpRQdOuQ0

one last piece of info for no good reason, now if i ever play brawl i go shiek/zelda b/c i find it oddly funny they together are mid tier

Brawl- Is a casual game though, its not even meant to be competitive. Its just competitive around here because the people that don't usually make money, can make money now

You mained characters that get destroyed

Rob's worst matchups are MK / D3

Zelda's worst matchups are Everyone

What do you expect? I mained Kirby hes terrible, i still use him though i just was smart enough to have secondarys.

So what you are saying is

>MK wins 33% of all tourneys

Are you implying they are not good or something? or metaknight is that broken >_> its obvious those players are very skilled people they just choose the best character in the game. Just like other top players in other fighting games >_>

>MK's planking has i believe 2 frames were he can be hit

So? Metaknights can't plank anyway because of the ledge grab limit


>3rd his tornado cant be escaped as long as he fallows your di

Thats not true at all, idk where you got this from.

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVFpRQdOuQ0

its a video made for fun >_> its even said in the video, chill




>mfw reading this

 

[A New England Winter]

Alliied gettin' off

 

[hippiedude92]

LMFAOOOOO allied omg good read

allied knows when it's time to put nigg@s on blast son

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

Brawl- Is a casual game though, its not even meant to be competitive. Its just competitive around here because the people that don't usually make money, can make money now

You mained characters that get destroyed

Rob's worst matchups are MK / D3

Zelda's worst matchups are Everyone

What do you expect? I mained Kirby hes terrible, i still use him though i just was smart enough to have secondarys.

So what you are saying is

>MK wins 33% of all tourneys

Are you implying they are not good or something? or metaknight is that broken >_> its obvious those players are very skilled people they just choose the best character in the game. Just like other top players in other fighting games >_>

>MK's planking has i believe 2 frames were he can be hit

So? Metaknights can't plank anyway because of the ledge grab limit


>3rd his tornado cant be escaped as long as he fallows your di

Thats not true at all, idk where you got this from.

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVFpRQdOuQ0

its a video made for fun >_> its even said in the video, chill




>mfw reading this

ok so the not being able to di the neutral b is something i was told by a backroom member.

i posted the video b/c its funny it was a joke u got to chill.

the point about the 33% is that MK dominates the tourney scene, i am not saying that the players are bad just that no one character should be winning 1/3 of all tourneys without there being a balance issue.

also i mained zelda in the 1st year this game came out and was mad legit placing will with her i know now she gets destroyed by everyone.

saying brawl- is not meant to be competitive is funny b/c if i remember correctly brawl is not suppose to be competitive its just people made it competitive.

also so u main kirby who u say is bad but u have a secondary so whos your 2nd, also if MK has no losing matches whats the point of playing anyone but MK.

and about ledge grab limit u make it sound like its a good thing there is one but what it is is a rule made along with others as an excuse not to ban a character. you shouldn't have to create rules to try to make a character not broken

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...uWkDA&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=15&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0

 

[Allied]

ok so the not being able to di the neutral b is something i was told by a backroom member.

i posted the video b/c its funny it was a joke u got to chill.

the point about the 33% is that MK dominates the tourney scene, i am not saying that the players are bad just that no one character should be winning 1/3 of all tourneys without there being a balance issue.

also i mained zelda in the 1st year this game came out and was mad legit placing will with her i know now she gets destroyed by everyone.

saying brawl- is not meant to be competitive is funny b/c if i remember correctly brawl is not suppose to be competitive its just people made it competitive.

also so u main kirby who u say is bad but u have a secondary so whos your 2nd, also if MK has no losing matches whats the point of playing anyone but MK.

and about ledge grab limit u make it sound like its a good thing there is one but what it is is a rule made along with others as an excuse not to ban a character. you shouldn't have to create rules to try to make a character not broken

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...uWkDA&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=15&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0

._. not going to respond to the entirety of this because i just want to make sure you get the point.

>the point about the 33% is that MK dominates the tourney scene, i am not saying that the players are bad just that no one character should be winning 1/3 of all tourneys without there being a balance issue.

hes the best character for a reason

See Melee Fox, Vanilla SF4 Sagat, etc, Fighting games aren't perfect its not a fairy tale, nothing is calculated down to scale knowing how the metagame of the characters will progress. You and everyone else need to get over that lol.


>saying brawl- is not meant to be competitive is funny b/c if i remember correctly brawl is not suppose to be competitive its just people made it competitive.

Neither is melee or smash64, the people who usually make the Brawl hacks want their game in some sense to become competitive, Brawl Minus however (except in NY/NJ) was really not meant to be insanely competitive when it first came out, but your right i guess the people in ur region made it competitive.


>also so u main kirby who u say is bad but u have a secondary so whos your 2nd, also if MK has no losing matches whats the point of playing anyone but MK.

i use snake, wario lol and mk has alot of 50-50 matchups that doesn't mean he auto-wins .__.


>and about ledge grab limit u make it sound like its a good thing there is one but what it is is a rule made along with others as an excuse not to ban a character. you shouldn't have to create rules to try to make a character not broken

You do realize this is for other gay characters too, this actually saved me a set in MLG because people abuse that ledge **** too much not just MK can do it, bro.

>_>

 

[Inui]

Are people really talking about the abomination known as Brawl- in this thread about a good tournament?

Minus is trash. Plus was trash. Project M is trash.

Just take tripping out of vBrawl and it's better than any player-made bull**** hack since randoms are always in charge of those and end up making them bad.

 

[Coney]

soooo alex i hear you're offering hoooousing perhaaaaaps

can i get it get it

it would increase the likelihood of me coming from 10% to roughly 80%

 

[Alex Strife]

coney i invited u personally to stay over a while ago.

 

[Coney]

oh i remember! just making sure that the offer's still on the table

you bringing it up earlier today was what really sparked my interest, i'm pretty sure i can make it! dunno if i'll have the money to enter but, i can hype it up and maybe help with pools/streaming and stuff. i liiiked vc7 a lot

 

[Isatis]

I was planning on helping out with the streaming... xD

Speaking of which... I still need a ride (and maybe housing) for this...

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

._. not going to respond to the entirety of this because i just want to make sure you get the point.

>the point about the 33% is that MK dominates the tourney scene, i am not saying that the players are bad just that no one character should be winning 1/3 of all tourneys without there being a balance issue.

hes the best character for a reason

See Melee Fox, Vanilla SF4 Sagat, etc, Fighting games aren't perfect its not a fairy tale, nothing is calculated down to scale knowing how the metagame of the characters will progress. You and everyone else need to get over that lol.


>saying brawl- is not meant to be competitive is funny b/c if i remember correctly brawl is not suppose to be competitive its just people made it competitive.

Neither is melee or smash64, the people who usually make the Brawl hacks want their game in some sense to become competitive, Brawl Minus however (except in NY/NJ) was really not meant to be insanely competitive when it first came out, but your right i guess the people in ur region made it competitive.


>also so u main kirby who u say is bad but u have a secondary so whos your 2nd, also if MK has no losing matches whats the point of playing anyone but MK.

i use snake, wario lol and mk has alot of 50-50 matchups that doesn't mean he auto-wins .__.


>and about ledge grab limit u make it sound like its a good thing there is one but what it is is a rule made along with others as an excuse not to ban a character. you shouldn't have to create rules to try to make a character not broken

You do realize this is for other gay characters too, this actually saved me a set in MLG because people abuse that ledge **** too much not just MK can do it, bro.

>_>

ok so about the MU thing, i never said they were auto win the point i was getting at is that if you choose MK as a blind pick chances are you will have a better MU against whoever your opponent chooses then if you choose wario. and i know this is were you say well hes the best character for a reason but i dont want to argue in circles with you.

and i know that other characters can plank but MK's is near impossible to beat unlike others, for instance pit to use his up-air during the plank his hands are exposed so he can be hit, but its true planking in general no matter what character is doing it is just wrong.

and about the MK tornado thing when i said impossible to di out of i of course meant to smash di out of the nado not di after the nado

also so MK ins 33% you made it sound as if melee fox is/has done the same as well as sf4 sagat. first this is something i would like to look into so if anyone has a place to look at this data i will for fox, but for sf4 sagat i would say that game did not develop enough do to ssf4 coming out soon after to get a fair view of how dominant sagat was/could of been.

Now for MK i have for a very long time supported the idea of a temp ban to see how the meta game is without him but this is neither here nor there

now inui i still dont understand why you think these games are trash but i guess thats your opinion and thats fine, but wouldn't it be better to just not say mean things about something others enjoy, i mean to call it a abomination is not just hyperbole but its just kinda odd to see so much hate for something that is meant to be fun (on the other hand some things that are meant to be fun are just terrible (i'm looking at u games i should i looked up before i bought you)

 

[CT Chia]

uhg stop complaining about minus and MK everyone. talk about the tournament

no there wont be a side event at this

no mk is not that bad

tbh MK shouldnt be your biggest worry as rob at all by a long shot

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

look i was just asking a question and this all just started and i am saying imo MK is that bad

and when i use to play and go to tourneys as ROB MK was the only character i had trouble with, i could handle DDDs and falcos and well anything else that was thrown at me. but i will say this is not really the place for this and to be honest i am tired of coming back here to see if people are still responding to me so i just wont look again

 

[Allied]

ok so about the MU thing, i never said they were auto win the point i was getting at is that if you choose MK as a blind pick chances are you will have a better MU against whoever your opponent chooses then if you choose wario. and i know this is were you say well hes the best character for a reason but i dont want to argue in circles with you.

and i know that other characters can plank but MK's is near impossible to beat unlike others, for instance pit to use his up-air during the plank his hands are exposed so he can be hit, but its true planking in general no matter what character is doing it is just wrong.

and about the MK tornado thing when i said impossible to di out of i of course meant to smash di out of the nado not di after the nado

also so MK ins 33% you made it sound as if melee fox is/has done the same as well as sf4 sagat. first this is something i would like to look into so if anyone has a place to look at this data i will for fox, but for sf4 sagat i would say that game did not develop enough do to ssf4 coming out soon after to get a fair view of how dominant sagat was/could of been.

Now for MK i have for a very long time supported the idea of a temp ban to see how the meta game is without him but this is neither here nor there

now inui i still dont understand why you think these games are trash but i guess thats your opinion and thats fine, but wouldn't it be better to just not say mean things about something others enjoy, i mean to call it a abomination is not just hyperbole but its just kinda odd to see so much hate for something that is meant to be fun (on the other hand some things that are meant to be fun are just terrible (i'm looking at u games i should i looked up before i bought you)

>but for sf4 sagat i would say that game did not develop enough do to ssf4 coming out soon after to get a fair view of how dominant sagat was/could of been.

> SF4 release date July 18, 2008

> SSF4 release date April 27, 2010

>game did not develop enough do to ssf4 coming out soon

>mfw





kk officially moving on now.

teamsies for this anyone? i forget if i have one.

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

ok i lied but this be the last thing i check and post here

sf4 arcade version came out in july 2008 but the console version which is what i was going by since it as far as i know were the true meta-game was came out in the US in 2009 so thats one year thats clearly not enough time

 

[KiraFlax]

teamsies for this anyone? i forget if i have one.

Ill team with you if youd like?

 

[Inui]

Allied, do it. He's good.

Also, Allied is legit now.

 

[Allied]

ok i lied but this be the last thing i check and post here

sf4 arcade version came out in july 2008 but the console version which is what i was going by since it as far as i know were the true meta-game was came out in the US in 2009 so thats one year thats clearly not enough time

Thats not true so is brawl was out in Arcade first for a year and then came out at home systems a year later, we just ignore that year?

Street fighter is known for being at a arcade thats where most top level players go, to practice, meet up and train. So yeah sorry, your wrong ;(

Ill team with you if youd like?

sure

Allied, do it. He's good.

Also, Allied is legit now.

lol <3

 

[KiraFlax]

I thought for sure i was gunna get a "get your dirty black A$$ outta here"

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

man i just cant help but look if i am being responded to its a weakness.

yes you ignore the year b/c the arcade version did not have all the characters, its like if brawl came out in a arcade then a year later 2 new high or top tier characters were added you cant ignore them and say the meta game was not different. so yes that first year should be ignored.

Also street fighter might be known as a arcade game but b/c the home version had more characters thats how it was played at tourneys ect. Also do to the home versions having a online mode people didnt have to bmeet up as they did in the old days so it is in fact you who is wrong.

also i like how the argument keeps getting smaller and is now somehow about sf4 its kinda funny

 

[VSC.D-Torr]

 

[A New England Winter]

N.A.G.A.C.E, you dont know what you're talking about. The majority of character metagame discoveries are found in the first year of release of a fighting game, due to the best players constantly playing. Certainly there are more discoveries down the line, but most of the obviously busted **** is found rather quickly.

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

doctor zao not just is what u said not always true but u miss the point that the home version and the arcade version due to the additions of characters are not equivalent, its almost like comparing to different games at that point.

Now i am not saying that a lot of busted discovery are not made within the first year but if that was all their is to it then tier list would almost never change, i mean look at melee almost 10 years in and only recently people have found out how busted jiggs can be so to say that most the busted things are found within the first year is a fact-less statement which you cant back up. (jiggs is just one example but clearly tons of busted stuff is discovered all throughout a games life and thats why is u look at early tier list and compare to later ones they often have clear differences). about it being a baseless statement, i could say u dont know anything it takes 4 years for most of the broken stuff to be found and true or not it does not matter b/c its just some random statement which i have nothing to back it up, so if u can show me facts that it takes one year at least that part of your argument will be valid.

further more allied is saying that we should consider the 1st year of sf4 on the arcade b/c thats were a good deal of the meta game was made but he neglected to point out the arcade version never officially came out in the US, so u cant argue about the Japanese meta-game and say it applies to the US meta-game

 

[KageMurphy]

Shut the **** up you queer, Jesus.

 

[Inui]

omg why is he still posting lmao

someone make it stop

 

[Alex Strife]

NAGACE...you are a nice guy but in tournament threads no one likes to hear ppl who have complaints against characters...take that to a different thread.

 

[Bloodcross]

Oh...

hmm...

yes...

quite...

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

true ive been wanting to stop posting here but people keep responding to me in ways which makes me respond back, i dont want to feel obligated to come check this ether to see if i need to respond but i am to stubborn to stop when my point is being argued so i am more then happy to stop but it seems people will have to stop responding to me b/c as long as i feel i should defend a point i will, i mean hell we are somehow talking about sf4 not even ssf4 thats just plain strange so yea as long as no one responds to my points anymore or is somone makes a thread to take this to i am more then happy to stop posting here

 

[So Fatal]

ally/m2k wont be here D:

 

[Alex Strife]

just updated still hype

 

[So Fatal]

Wish I could make it alex! Good Luck

 

[Suntan Luigi]

$20 PER person in doubles?
edit-kk, now that makes sense.