-
Welcome to Smashboards, the world's largest Super Smash Brothers community! Over 250,000 Smash Bros. fans from around the world have come to discuss these great games in over 19 million posts!
You are currently viewing our boards as a visitor. Click here to sign up right now and start on your path in the Smash community!
[VIC] Melbourne CouchWarriors 2011 - AGM News
- Thread starter CAOTIC
- Start date
- Status
So I voted no in the poll, but changed my mind as I was typing out my reasoning. There are certainly major cons to having a pot - in particular, the risk of losing or failing to attract newer players who don't feel like throwing their money at the same few people every time.
But, to be honest, Melee isn't a competitive scene right now. In a competitive game scene, the top players are constantly practicing because that's what they need to do to stay at the top, the adrenalin and hype flows freely when they clash in the bracket, and people care about results. What we are now is a bunch of people who can do fancy **** in the game playing friendlies with each other (with an inconsequential tournament bracket) from time to time.
I guess that's okay, but it's only going to get more and more stale and the Melee scene can't sustain itself like that. Just from talking to people who've been playing this game at a high level for much longer than I have, I feel like there was a time preceding my entry to the Smash scene where it was much more competitive, and I'd love to see that return. If we want to get new players excited about competitive Melee, there needs to be a competitive atmosphere to attract the excitement. Substantial prizes are a staple part of serious competitive gaming, and it's better to take that step sooner than later.
But, to be honest, Melee isn't a competitive scene right now. In a competitive game scene, the top players are constantly practicing because that's what they need to do to stay at the top, the adrenalin and hype flows freely when they clash in the bracket, and people care about results. What we are now is a bunch of people who can do fancy **** in the game playing friendlies with each other (with an inconsequential tournament bracket) from time to time.
I guess that's okay, but it's only going to get more and more stale and the Melee scene can't sustain itself like that. Just from talking to people who've been playing this game at a high level for much longer than I have, I feel like there was a time preceding my entry to the Smash scene where it was much more competitive, and I'd love to see that return. If we want to get new players excited about competitive Melee, there needs to be a competitive atmosphere to attract the excitement. Substantial prizes are a staple part of serious competitive gaming, and it's better to take that step sooner than later.
Plasia
Smash Journeyman
I've changed my mind. So -1 No, +1 yes on the poll.
Why?
Although it may suck to me, someone who probably will never get near a top 5 placing (only time I have ever made it to top 5 has been a low tier) it is good for melee. As a few people have pointed out, melee needs stimulation atm. I don't think people are crazy enough to do $1000 MvC2 style money matches but a pot to win can certainly stimulate competition.
What else can make it more interesting? Announcements for finals matches and the matches being on a projector. Also commentary and a crowd.
I'm happy to donate $5 to the winnars for more entertaining melee, hopefully others will see the same.
Why?
Although it may suck to me, someone who probably will never get near a top 5 placing (only time I have ever made it to top 5 has been a low tier) it is good for melee. As a few people have pointed out, melee needs stimulation atm. I don't think people are crazy enough to do $1000 MvC2 style money matches but a pot to win can certainly stimulate competition.
What else can make it more interesting? Announcements for finals matches and the matches being on a projector. Also commentary and a crowd.
I'm happy to donate $5 to the winnars for more entertaining melee, hopefully others will see the same.
Jei Jei
Smash Champion
- Joined
- Aug 10, 2007
- Messages
- 2,271
- Location
- Kings Park, Melbourne
- NNID
- Jei_Soul
- 3DS FC
- 1564-4103-8935
I don't know if it's because people just aren't playing as good as they used to or because I finally discovered another chapter of Yoshi's potential or both but I've never felt better at Melee than I do now.
I've decided to vote yes because after everyone's post (mainly Atticus and CAO) and some thinking, I too want the Melee scene to grow to what it used to be.
Moar competitiveness, I thrive off of it.
I've decided to vote yes because after everyone's post (mainly Atticus and CAO) and some thinking, I too want the Melee scene to grow to what it used to be.
Moar competitiveness, I thrive off of it.
TakFR
Smash Lord
you guys seem busy with this, so i'll post up details about my meet when your done 
I voted 'No'. CAO did say I should vote, but bleh. I was really down the line with it.
Anyway, suggestions.
1-3rd are usually the higher echelon players who a lot of the time are significantly better than even the other people in the top 8. Top 8 has been a significant 'land mark' for many for a while now, and for everyone it's perhaps an attainable goal. So in that case, what if everyone top 8 had their entry fee refunded, whilst the top 3 also get dibs at the pot. It has psychological holes all over it, but so does nearly any other strategy. "getting top 8 is possible", "oh that guy Atticus who got 7th, I go semi even with him". Confidence is an important factor to players, and those who are in for some competitiveness who have played CAO, Dekar or Cobalt sit back and go "never going to reach [them]".
Having top 8 "refund" promotes a bit of laziness from the reasonably good players, "oh yeah, easy get top 8"; but for the newer ones, when their are only 30 or so entrants, top 8 is very feasible, it's a goal to reach. Allowing attainable goals for the less experienced players is what you aim for. It's unfortunate that 'we' have to use jedi mind tricks for them to "get it", as individual players can set goals themselves. But the forced goal I think could be a splendid idea.
Anyway, suggestions.
1-3rd are usually the higher echelon players who a lot of the time are significantly better than even the other people in the top 8. Top 8 has been a significant 'land mark' for many for a while now, and for everyone it's perhaps an attainable goal. So in that case, what if everyone top 8 had their entry fee refunded, whilst the top 3 also get dibs at the pot. It has psychological holes all over it, but so does nearly any other strategy. "getting top 8 is possible", "oh that guy Atticus who got 7th, I go semi even with him"
. Confidence is an important factor to players, and those who are in for some competitiveness who have played CAO, Dekar or Cobalt sit back and go "never going to reach [them]".Having top 8 "refund" promotes a bit of laziness from the reasonably good players, "oh yeah, easy get top 8"; but for the newer ones, when their are only 30 or so entrants, top 8 is very feasible, it's a goal to reach. Allowing attainable goals for the less experienced players is what you aim for. It's unfortunate that 'we' have to use jedi mind tricks for them to "get it", as individual players can set goals themselves. But the forced goal I think could be a splendid idea.
MikulOnIce85
Smash Ace
I'm gonna vote 'yes' and give this competitive thing a try.
Cronos_Rainbow
Smash Champion
You guys are noobs. If you want to sort this out apply awesome...but since you rarely tend to tap in on your own dormant awesome I'll spare you some of mine since I ooze the stuff.
People don't want to 'pay to play'. By having a pot it's almost like giving money to the same few people in order to sit out and watch them get to have all the games. A solution would be to make everyone feel like despite the last rounds outcome they still have a good chance to place better than the previous time.
Here are a few ways this could be made more likely:
-A system which denies the previous tournaments winner a character from the previously used tier bracket and above.
Have them drop from Fox Falco Sheik etc. to using someone like Samus....still win and drop to something lower like Doc etc. until they either lose or win as mewtwo lol.
-Previous winner or top three or something may not counter pick stage.
Makes for growth and a little less stage hax.
-Seed differently
Highest rated players all square off early and give lower players some breathing space and a better chance to accrue some points at least.
-Peach is banned
Speaks for itself
People don't want to 'pay to play'. By having a pot it's almost like giving money to the same few people in order to sit out and watch them get to have all the games. A solution would be to make everyone feel like despite the last rounds outcome they still have a good chance to place better than the previous time.
Here are a few ways this could be made more likely:
-A system which denies the previous tournaments winner a character from the previously used tier bracket and above.
Have them drop from Fox Falco Sheik etc. to using someone like Samus....still win and drop to something lower like Doc etc. until they either lose or win as mewtwo lol.
-Previous winner or top three or something may not counter pick stage.
Makes for growth and a little less stage hax.
-Seed differently
Highest rated players all square off early and give lower players some breathing space and a better chance to accrue some points at least.
-Peach is banned
Speaks for itself
Suntan Luigi
Smash Lord
Why did Syke, I Lag, and Shaya vote in the poll? Well Shaya might be an exception since he comes to our tournaments every now and then.
TakFR
Smash Lord
Ok so TAK 09 (as dekar calls it anyway) details are:
When: Saturday 7th March, from 11am onwards till midnight so no excuses west melbourne people
Where: uh... if you want to go you can contact me on msn, steam or my phone and i can send you the address
Melee only meet, and SF4 if someone can bring a ps3 and a copy of it (sorry i've been trying to get a ps3 on ebay for $400 with no luck =/)
For dinner we could either go to knox (could go to timezone there too if you want)
or we could order pizza or something
Contact Details are:
MSN: GTDrift@hotmail.com
Steam: TakFR
Mobile: 0432724241
When: Saturday 7th March, from 11am onwards till midnight so no excuses west melbourne people
Where: uh... if you want to go you can contact me on msn, steam or my phone and i can send you the address
Melee only meet, and SF4 if someone can bring a ps3 and a copy of it (sorry i've been trying to get a ps3 on ebay for $400 with no luck =/)
For dinner we could either go to knox (could go to timezone there too if you want)
or we could order pizza or something
Contact Details are:
MSN: GTDrift@hotmail.com
Steam: TakFR
Mobile: 0432724241
kupo
Smash Lord
Yay a meet at Taks. I hope to not fail this time -_-!
Least I have your mob. this time haha!
Least I have your mob. this time haha!
thinking about coming to this, but i dont really play melee. is there anyone else like this? will i just get fully owned?
TakFR
Smash Lord
Gietz is bad now, you can play him =)
TakFR
Smash Lord
aww no Cao makes me sad =(
TakFR
Smash Lord
also forgot to mention don't bring presents please =)
Zant3tsuken
Smash Journeyman
Regarding having a pot, if you feel that the money is kind of a waste, then there are other ways to reward the top 8. I'm very fond of the 'only top 8 get videos recorded' sort of thing that we're doing in the other games for this reason.
My personal opinion is that a regular pot isn't a good incentive to get more people to come, but it might help make the finals more epic if that's what you want. Melee seems like it would have enough potential good players if they put the time in, this might sweeten the deal.
Don't register this as a vote by the way, I don't intend on picking up Melee.
My personal opinion is that a regular pot isn't a good incentive to get more people to come, but it might help make the finals more epic if that's what you want. Melee seems like it would have enough potential good players if they put the time in, this might sweeten the deal.
Don't register this as a vote by the way, I don't intend on picking up Melee.
Cronos_Rainbow
Smash Champion
"Here are a few ways this could be made more likely:"
Not all of these are necessary Dekar, just one of them or another solution. BTW LOL you got banned
Plasia: Not sure if I could make it but I'll see what I can do.
Not all of these are necessary Dekar, just one of them or another solution. BTW LOL you got banned
Plasia: Not sure if I could make it but I'll see what I can do.
kupo
Smash Lord
I'm with Atticus on the no part to the pot. But you know...if it makes the competition more thriving and drives people to be more competitive, I'm all for it.
I liked the whole rank thing with ranbats last year. Earn your rank and win tournies = $$$ profit.
Very interesting ideas Shaz. But I'll have to disagree with two.
Mmm...the stage counter pick seems like an interesting idea. And again imo, it's good to be able to see where people excell at their counter pick stages.
I'm not having a go at you Shaz, like everyone does, "mostly" we have disagreements!
<3 Ems
I liked the whole rank thing with ranbats last year. Earn your rank and win tournies = $$$ profit.
Very interesting ideas Shaz. But I'll have to disagree with two.
That's really silly tbh. You're just giving the second person a better chance of winning. Big deal, leave that to low tier tourneys kthnx. You may as well ban all the top/high tier characters all together. If the better player wins, he/she has worked for it. End of story.
Heres an idea...lets do round robin and put the top 5 players in the one pool while having the second and third pools with the lesser ranked players. I think it'd be a bit discouraging to the lesser rank people thinking "oh yeah I've made it this far!" only to crush them in the quarter/semi's [LOL I went there]. Melee gets exciting to watch when there is a Person A vs Person B and you know that they're good or a grudge matches. Man...finals are exciting when you watch the top players play it out. Isnt that also one of the reasons we prefer Melee over Brawl? In no way am I implying that Brawl sucks, but it just comes down to preferences. I enjoy Brawl, but not at a competitive level.
Mmm...the stage counter pick seems like an interesting idea. And again imo, it's good to be able to see where people excell at their counter pick stages.
I'm not having a go at you Shaz, like everyone does, "mostly" we have disagreements!
<3 Ems
Cronos_Rainbow
Smash Champion
^FAIL!
(coz Brawl does suck)
Repetitive grudge matches, styles and strats are kinda old imo.
Granted these as I said are only a handful of possible solutions, each with pro's and con's. As for Round Robin, it seemed we had a good amount of time left on the last events clock, so perhaps something in this fashion could be implemented....though I'd currently imagine pools would be a safer bet for now until we get some TV's happening.
(coz Brawl does suck)
Your concern here is valid, but fear not my thinking is top tier. Your point of view is looking at the finals situation alone, in which case yes the runner up would likely have a bump in chance to win. The idea of this however is that the person who previously won with the better character must first win their way up to the finals before that situation would occur. In the preceding matches the change of circumstance could very well change the outcome of the brackets altogether, giving someone who previously got wiped by the previous winners top tier in a close match the chance to overcome their lesser character totally changing the end-game.
No-one with half a brain comes to these things expecting top place on their first try anyhow. Just as no-one new to swimming can be expected to swim the english channel on their first try. It's better to give them some experience however, and let everyone get a good few matches in so to learn against someone closer to their level and get their time and moneys worth of fun and exp. . Why pay a fee for pot when you get two boring games that're over in a moment then head home? No incentive = lesser new blood = lower pot = lesser old blood and game growth.
Repetitive grudge matches, styles and strats are kinda old imo.
Granted these as I said are only a handful of possible solutions, each with pro's and con's. As for Round Robin, it seemed we had a good amount of time left on the last events clock, so perhaps something in this fashion could be implemented....though I'd currently imagine pools would be a safer bet for now until we get some TV's happening.
TakFR
Smash Lord
by the way catching public transport to my place is, catch train to Boronia Station and catch the 753, call or text me on 0432724241 when you get on and i'll wait at the bus stop for you, just look out the left side of the bus and you'll see me
Cronos_Rainbow
Smash Champion
WTB Dissidia competition! L2 FF: Dissidia guys please!
Sam will lose to me at poker - my mind games beat him hardcore - he's Sam after all.
Sam will lose to me at poker - my mind games beat him hardcore - he's Sam after all.
TakFR
Smash Lord
good news, i'm getting a ps3 tommorow!!! =D
so people shoud arrive at 12 so they aren't stuck outside my house
so people shoud arrive at 12 so they aren't stuck outside my house
Jei Jei
Smash Champion
- Joined
- Aug 10, 2007
- Messages
- 2,271
- Location
- Kings Park, Melbourne
- NNID
- Jei_Soul
- 3DS FC
- 1564-4103-8935
I wasn't going to go yesterday for a few reasons but I'm really glad I did. One of the best meets I've been to in a while ^_^
Happy b'day Tak, looking forward to Tak10
Happy b'day Tak, looking forward to Tak10
Cronos_Rainbow
Smash Champion
As soon as a ps3 was mentioned I backed out. Down with ps3!!!
Really though, happy b'day Tak.
Really though, happy b'day Tak.
Suntan Luigi
Smash Lord
I voted "Yes" with hopes of seeing a positive change in the Melbourne Melee scene. The monthly we had in March didn't seem different compared to the monthlies back in '07. We need a change!
Late happy b'day Tak!
Late happy b'day Tak!
Cronos_Rainbow
Smash Champion
Fixed - cheeky Colbet!
Zant3tsuken
Smash Journeyman
Meeting happening this weekend for the annual that we'd like to organise. We've extended the invitation to Ozhadou as well.
Loki said:
TakFR
Smash Lord
Thanks for people who came on Saturday, it was fun. The singles tourney and crews were really funny XD
- Status