[VIC] Melbourne CouchWarriors 2011 - AGM News

[Redact]

unfortunately for the rest of you
moss kong ISN'T banned
dekar will still win reguardless
followed by me with olimar
ice climbers broken?
2v7 is more broken imo

 

[Suntan Luigi]

Shaz- Omg why are we banning the amount of grabs now? First you banned characters, then stages and now techniques. That's a little out of hand don't you think. And I thought the rule was no more than 3 grabs. I remember that rule from the Americans threads.
Edit: About the 2/3-grab rule... As long as you throw in attacks between grabs, are you allowed to grab more than 2/3 times? Or what if you grabbed twice and the third time you followed their roll dodge, can you grab again?

Dekar- I have your melee in custody. Unless you forfeit your Mario Sunshine to me, you will never see Melee again. * failed evil laugh*
Just don't forget kthnx

 

[Dekar289]

if we were playing pikmin, we wouldn't have to ban anything =/

 

[_X_]

Shaz- Omg why are we banning the amount of grabs now? First you banned characters, then stages and now techniques. That's a little out of hand don't you think. And I thought the rule was no more than 3 grabs. I remember that rule from the Americans threads.

Dekar- I have your melee in custody. Unless you forfeit your Mario Sunshine to me, you will never see Melee again. * failed evil laugh*
Just don't forget kthnx

I do have to agree with Cobolt, kinda, for this one.

About the ICs, those grabs should have been banned or restricted from the beginning. It is, albeit a difficult to learn, really broken.

Shaz is, slightly, taking it too far but for the sake of the game's development I'm sure this is a good idea. He's just trying to make a competitive smash a little more fun.

 

[Dekar289]

confirmed tomorrow:
- cao
- forte
- tak

aw what happened to mikul and the x crew
YOU HEARD ME X CREW

 

[_X_]

confirmed tomorrow:
- cao
- forte
- tak

aw what happened to mikul and the x crew
YOU HEARD ME X CREW

HMM make us as uncofirmed I guess.

I think we're in though >_>

Depends.

Do you want me to bring you some booze d00kar.

That goes for anyone is who can't buy either.

 

[Dekar289]

i wouldn't drink it, but if you wanna drink that's fine
0423 199 184 <--- useful

 

[Shaya]

Providing alcohol to minors?

That's a paddlin'

 

[Wikipedia]

If I ever come to Melbourne will you guys teach me the Melbourne Shuffle?

 

[ZTV]

A few things about this monthly:

I will be far less lenient this time around with dq's. Far too many people wasted everyones time last month and it really got out of hand.

Brawl and Melee will be a little different this time around as the what the flux characters will not be selectable. Why? Why not?

Brawl: MK, Snake, Dedede, Falco.

Melee: Fox, Falco, Sheik, Peach, Marth.

This isn't a regular thing- just something that will give those who wish to try out characers that aren't quite as safe and spammable the chance to do so freely. It also should serve as a good chance for everyone to gain some new experience

Please everyone make sure you show up on time also.....many late comers last time which held things up. The sooner we start the more we can fit in.

QQ start k go!

Whoa wait wtf. That right there is cruel (but fair to some I guess). What if someone plays all five at a decent level, and/or only them?

Of course in my case that still leaves... G&W and others. Ah well, it'll be a large change of pace at least.

 

[CAOTIC]

No slack this week everyone, be on time and relive the efficiency and professionalism of August Ranbat! Please assist us with TV's Consoles and Game DIscs for both games - doing so also just you up to the Bandroom early for some friendlies.

See you all on Sunday!

Wiki - Yes

 

[Everence]

Whoa wait wtf. That right there is cruel (but fair to some I guess). What if someone plays all five at a decent level, and/or only them?

Of course in my case that still leaves... G&W and others. Ah well, it'll be a large change of pace at least.

if you see a few pages back you can see suntan luigi (cobalt) have a go at it, as his mains are all top tiers i.e snake mk and falco

 

[CATS]

moss kong is the most powerful colour. redact and dekar will agree.

shadow moses should be permanent banned because it's too hax in regards to infinites and pseudo infinites... although if someone polices how many times someone performs the one specific move over and over then i guess it becomes alot better. should i say it's more of a convenient thing to ban it?

if the purpose of all of the part time banning is diversity then you might as well ban marth and G&W too, then we should have everyone using a pretty fresh line-up of characters. if marth isn't banned then i shall be using him as usual :3

dekar your birthday meet sounds cool but alas i work on saturday and it would be troublesome for me to get there afterwards

 

[bylim5]

banning characters, techniques and stages = slippery slope?

 

[icek]

iceK and friends is the new name for the X crew even though X crew was never the real name as it has always been named iceK and friends as i am Superior to all (pauses for applause).

 

[Shaya]

*applaudes stupidity*

 

[Everence]

alot of VCE students are studying citizen kane for english. were you too? :o

 

[icek]

hooray Shaya has once again given his opinion

 

[Amaterasu]

are you here this monthly chris? i wanna see your pikachu.

it will be an interesting monthly, i'm interested in what people would use instead.

I prob won't be there until December, but I'm still keeping an eye on things in Melb
I also think the restriction on chain grabbing is going a bit far, so many non-top teir characters have chain grabs which make up a large part of their gameplay (Lucario, TL, pikachu etc..)

 

[Suntan Luigi]

Is Lucario's <b considered grabbing?

 

[Timic83]

woot for rob not being banned :D

 

[Timic83]

i can bring a mele and a brawl disc if u need them

(man i am a stupid double poster )

 

[Cronos_Rainbow]

Limiting successive grabs is hard to police and hard to avoid doing. This has been my stand all along. Grab as you please withing the rules.
Granted looking at my last post as standalone, and not relating it to KO's or my previous I can see how it could be confusing.

Please everyone make sure to read my entire post in context before you complain.
I'm even making the finer details in gray so you can avoid reading the in-and-outs if you just want the important points ><

REITERATING THE RULES (in question)
- Shadow Moses is banned for this monthly.
This stage has long been in question, due to this months character tweaking I feel testing the exclusion of this stage is a good tweak also.
- Certain characters are banned from this monthly.
Melee: Fox, Falco, Sheik, Marth, Peach.
Brawl: MK, Snake, Dedede, Falco, G&W.
Accepting there are other characters with high potential, the idea here is not to eliminate all the 'better' characters, just to remove those that are particularly nasty and overused.
- Infinite tactics are banned in general.
This covers anything that will last a duration long enough to reasonably count as a loss of stock. Examples being throw chains against a set obstacle. I do not consider the use of dynamic stage characteristics as unfair but rather encourage it.
- Any and all techniques you can use outside of those banned are viable.


Additionally - We are not America! They have little to do with us or the rules in place here. Please remember this. Looking at their results is reason enough we should deviate from their rule-set.

As far as I'm concerned the idea is do whatever you can and feel providing it's not seen to be, and widely agreed to be unfair. Usually this will involve complete loss of control of character, and loss of stock.
Allowable tactics include Cargo Carry off the edge, back-throws off edge, meteors in the water, percent dependent combo attacks (non-inf. chains). Go crazy and do what you can to win within the rules.

 

[Suntan Luigi]

oh man i just picked up g&w as well .
i never liked shadow moses anyways. *looks at devil*
Is falcos chaingrab considered a non-infinite chain? just asking out of curiosity. so is the 2-grab rule out?

 

[Devil.]

Are you sure you dont love Shadow Moses Cobalt? lol

 

[icek]

i request big blue to be banned as well

 

[Wikipedia]

Wiki - Yes

Awesome, do you actually know how to do it well?

 

[Everence]

just stage cancel big blue icek. so shaz, in terms of infinites, is using marth's down tilt (or similar move with same effect) against a wall considered banned too? there aren't many stages with static walls other than shadow moses.

 

[Suntan Luigi]

i had the same question. is it allowed even if it is inescapable from 0-60% (for example)?

 

[Shaya]

Marth's dtilt against a wall is inescapable to the 140% range with most characters, and to top it off it cancels into a guaranteed upsmash.

(I believe the earliest escape is Jiggly at 130%).

But only Moses and Corneria have static walls.

 

[Suntan Luigi]

Shaya- That's not true. MK has the best dtilt against a wall which does 0-80%. Marth is the second best but I forgot how much he does. I think it was 50 or 60%. I remember Chris doing that in Corneria against my Snake up to 80% with MK.

 

[Cronos_Rainbow]

Cobalt:
-Falcos chain isn't true inf. as far as I know.
-There wasn't a two grab rule to begin with - I was speaking about IC's grabbing you 3 times in a match and you're game over. (Since each grab will be death). You misread it and people took your word as mine - hence it snowballed.
Everence:
-If it's reasonable to say it will end up in a kill, or bringing you helplessly to a kill percent then it's not a legal tactic.
IceK:
Yeah Big Boo is lame. I would've included it also though I was worried too many tacted on rules this month may upset people. If tomorrow it's common that people want it temporarily ousted we can give it a go no worries.
Shaya: Ta for input. Not sure which of you and Cobalt is correct but it can be easily tested tomorrow.
Devil: Yeah it's his favourite xD

 

[Shaya]

Hey Melbourne. Because I like to do things I'm working on an Australian Character Rank List (Ankoku's one is temporarily 'debunked').

Using only the last 3 months results (i.e. Ranbats in August and September and of course TODAY's results) could you also provide what characters are being used for the top 8 as well?

I also have the names for the top 8 from August and September, if someone could fill in the gaps on the characters used that would be great.

21/09:
1: Cobalt
2: Dekar (G&W..?)
3: Jei (Pit)
4: Redact
5: Tak
5: Everence
7: Nay
7: That Black Guy (Ice K)

17/08
1: Ammeren (Meta Knight)
2: Cobalt (Meta Knight, Snake, ?)
3: Jei (Pit)
4: Dekar
5: Tak
5: CAOTIC (Peach)
7: Zax
7: Erick

 

[_X_]

Awesome, do you actually know how to do it well?

I liek men, srsly.

 

[ZTV]

I liek men, srsly.

Lol.

Also I'm a no show for today -- Stupid seasonal weather and SE SSBM... Unless I can rock up at 7PM or something and still get in to Melee.

 

[Everence]

shaya - redact uses D3 and olimar, icek uses falco and zelda, nay uses toon link, erick uses falco and i use lucario and snake, not sure about the rest.

 

[Paladinight]

Hey guys sorry i cant make it this time because i got a stupid project to and its due on monday soo yeah unless i finish it insanely fast i would make it but nah. Everence I use just about everyone lol but i use zelda and sheik, seperately

 

[Suntan Luigi]

I was speaking about IC's grabbing you 3 times in a match and you're game over. (Since each grab will be death).

Did you mean 3 times in a row or 3 grabs total in a match? Each grab does not deal death. I don't know what you're talking about. The only way to kill with those grabs at a low percentage is if:
1) You spike
2) Nana is alive
3) It's not a walk-off stage
4) The opponent is at a certain percentage

Since infinites are banned, can't I use grabs that only work to a certain percentage with the ICs as many times as I want since they're non-infinite chains?

Shaya- September monthly ( MK, Snake, ICs)
August (MK,Snake, ICs, Falco)
I'll get my Falco back into the scene once someone can get past my secondaries.

 

[Paladinight]

Cobalt i think he mean that if you get grabbed on the egde with popo your dead as nana will spike you

 

[Everence]

paladinight - shaya wanted to know those in the top 8, but its noted at least