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I agree. You know what would be nice on Dedede? A kill throw. Nothing crazy, but something along the lines of Mario's bthrow or at least Marth's uthrow. At least with that you can have something to fear of the giant penguin at high percents.
It makes sense why ganondorf was basically a captain falcon clone in melee considering the hellish development cycle.
You know, most people tend to rip into the fact that Mewtwo can't KO at ludicrously low percents, saying that he doesn't hit hard enough to justify his weight, but when you consider the versatility present in Mewtwo's kit both in raising percent and landing kills not possessing a move that can potentially kill at 50% isn't a big loss. And barring aura, Shadow Ball is literally the strongest standard projectile in the game, tied with Samus's Charge Shot in damage but with higher knockback. Plus few characters can claim to do more than 10% damage with every aerial. His uthrow is functionally the strongest vertical KOing throw in the game. Dsmash lets him fish for KOs when he needs to while stopping approaches. Usmash and fair can capitalize on the smallest of openings. Lack of KO power is really not an issue.
Actually Ganon suffers from basically the same problem. Ganon doesn't really have too much difficulty landing grab/Flame Choke (mostly the former). But against some characters, nothing happens afterward. One of those is Sheik. This is compounded by his throws not really doing much against some characters past D-throw combo %'s. F-throw and B-throw are great for setting up edgeguarding (and do lotsa damage), but if the other character has really really good recovery options (SHEIK) then there's no reason to fear normal grabs from Ganon.
A kill throw with U-throw from Triple D would be hilarious. Volleyball! Upsy-daisy! High-five! Anyway, doesn't or shouldn't Triple D's B-throw and F-throw kill? He hits you with a hammer... A giant hammer... A giant hammer with a jet engine inside of it... He hits you with a giant hammer with a jet engine... Realistically, that would not just kill you, but send you, well, maybe just a part of you, flying like baseball.
I love Zelda too but if weight is the only flaw you can think of I think you need to play better players. What if you are playing a zoning character? Dins Fire is selectively safe and if you are in an exchange, you most likely will get hit and then it will just fly off and it becomes irrelevant 99% of the time unless they roll or run back into it for NO reason. Her up B is a wonderful kill and recovery option...IF it hits. Out of shield that thing is the most punishable laggy crap. I understand the up b trust me. She cant move out of special and really her only truly viable special is her Nayru's love. The Down B requires so much space between you and the other because if they are to close they can jump over you and strike. If they are not off the stage pretty much its never viable. It also is very punishable if you miss or they roll behind you and him. She has problems dude. the range on her lightning kick is laughable when you talk about forward airs like sheiks or side b's like zss or even bowsers fair. Her spike is easy on sweet spot but requires generally 50% and up to spike efficiently. She is pretty good don't get me wrong. But DEFINITELY has some flaws.
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Guardian Orbitars being similar to the Mirror Shield I'll take, but Upperdash isn't a thing like the Hiyiyiya. Upperdash doesn't even reflect most projectiles...
I mostly meant that he's purposely designed to have two different anti-projectile moves.
...Uh, probably the best way to deal with Upperdash is to throw out a quick projectile it doesn't reflect at it.
I seriously can´t comprehend why Sakurai changed Pit's entire special set when it was fine as it was. Yes, his ENTIRE set, his arrows were extremely good in Brawl but in Smash 4 they are average at best. His HIYAYAYA was amazing and it did a lot of things without breaking a sweat, and it's replaced by a ****ty version of Falcon's Raptor Boost. His Up B was amazing except for the reason why Bowser Jr's Up B sucks, and they replaced it with a linear, abusable crappy version of Rosalina's Up B. His Shield was cool and had some uses, and they replace it with a crappy shield that is extremely laggy, situational, and that can be broken. Really, mention a single thing were guarding orbitars are useful BESIDES gimping Ness.
Probably because of Uprising, since the Three Sacred Treasures (aka Down B, Neutral B, and Up B) broke in that game. Also, this way Sakurai can have Pit show off Uprising weapons.
And this is why I no longer main Pit.
What do you mean It doesn't make since? He had brand new game and brand new weapons, it makes a lot since why Sakurai changed them. Pit's arrows are fine in smash 4, and I don't remember them being that much different in brawl (I could be wrong tho). Hiyayaya was nice but it sounded super annoying, and Upperdash arm is a nice kill move for those reads and hard reads. Nothing better than super armoring thru flare blade. Brawl Pit's Up B needed to be nerfed and you know it. It least now it has a predictability factor to it. The way you describe Pit's new specials make him sound like a bottom mid tier lol.
Bowser gets reward off grabs in the sense that 4 or so grabs will put them in kill range assuming he did nothing else to them. His grab ranges are ridiculous so getting those grabs is not hard, especially if people follow your logic and shield a lot because his reward is apparently so low.
Most characters side-B kills around 120-140 stage dependent. Can KO pretty reliably at 120-130 when you land on platforms yeah.
Actually Sakurai said months ago that Ganondorf is the same in honor of his dad, slow but scary at the same time he said describes him.
You make Pit sound like he sucks, yet he's a high tier character.
Literally every character in the game has to get reads for kills. Even if you have kill confirms out of grabs you still need a read to get the grab. The point is that Bowser, like these characters with kill confirms, only needs soft reads to kill before 100 because the frame data on his pre-100 kill moves is equivalent to many tilts and slower jabs.
The difference is that Luigi missing a dashgrab results in no punishment most of the time whereas Bowser missing down-b results in hey free 50% damage string thank you (or killing smash).
That's true but a lot of the time you either do it out of jab, or it's a reactive punish to a whiff or blocking something. A lot of the time you do it in CQC and do the reason you don't land it is because they hit you before frame 11 with a fast move. Only times when you'll complete the animation and get punished hard is if you go for a hard read when you're in advantage, which isn't that necessary a lot of the time.
Except no, we're actually decent, with frame data and fast pokes that grants us a decent neutral.
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Doc doesn't really need to combo much when he has his godlike 16% U-smash or 14% B-air. Some of his moves need damage buffs (N-air, jab, D-smash) tho.I don't think Doc is underrated. He has higher kill power than Mario and has godlike OoS (although this was nerfed in the latest patch). But at what cost? His mobility is awful. I try out Doc occasionally cause he's a cool dude and I like his surgeon outfit. But after the first 30 seconds, I remember that his being a snail is what puts me off him every time. That and his limited recovery. He has a combo game but Mario's is far superior because can make use of his wicked frame data thanks to his mobility... whereas Doc just can't follow up because his jumps and general speed are kinda pathetic.
His saving grace is he has similarly great frame data like Mario, and he has a few amazing moves eg. Bair. He also has cape to avoid being completely camped out by projectile fiends. Overall he's ok but that isn't enough to make him mid tier or anything imo. I don't think he's viable by himself but he could be an ok secondary. What are his best matchups?
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His mobility is over exaggerated, it's not that bad. He's not Mario in running, but he has fast air speed. And you're forgetting that he has a good amount of pokes and a workable projectile to have a existing neutral.I don't think Doc is underrated. He has higher kill power than Mario and has godlike OoS (although this was nerfed in the latest patch). But at what cost? His mobility is awful. I try out Doc occasionally cause he's a cool dude and I like his surgeon outfit. But after the first 30 seconds, I remember that his being a snail is what puts me off him every time. That and his limited recovery. He has a combo game but Mario's is far superior because can make use of his wicked frame data thanks to his mobility... whereas Doc just can't follow up because his jumps and general speed are kinda pathetic.
His saving grace is he has similarly great frame data like Mario, and he has a few amazing moves eg. Bair. He also has cape to avoid being completely camped out by projectile fiends. Overall he's ok but that isn't enough to make him mid tier or anything imo. I don't think he's viable by himself but he could be an ok secondary. What are his best matchups?
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Shielding + grabbing does not count as a read lol.
Suggesting that melee falco/brawl olimar were able to work around their poor recovery is a joke rofl. If they didnt DI up while going offstage or lost their second jump, they were dead and that's all there was to it.
That's actually not what I meant. I meant that their recovery didn't stop them from bring top tier threats and dominant beings.
Then Bowser doesn't need reads to kill at 80% considering downb is a viable punish on a block, particularly powershield.
Doc's frame data is NOT the exact same as Mario. U-smash and D-air are different.
64 Luigi tho
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Well I think d-air is exempt since it's a totally different move, but you're right about u-smash. Apologies, I should have said that 90% of his frame data is the same.
'Kay.
Yes, but it's more extreme in Doc's case. That was my point.
I meant in this game, but yeah, that's a fair point~ ;364 Luigi tho
Well, first of all, that's a lie...
