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Technically the bottom left corner of the blue box is the optimal path because it sends you the shortest distance, whereas the purple path is a bit longer. I assume you're trying to aim for the corner of the blastzone because of how old DI worked, whereas that's no longer necssarily optimal when trying to fly the shortest possible distance.
Based on this hit, the optimal Hitstun Shuffle/ "VI" would be along the purple line as far as I can tell.
Strong Badam
Something to keep in mind:
This is a very good point. Rather than being pessimistic, we should probably look into the implications of this and what it's going to do, I.e. force combos to be shorter and more focused on being aggressive and punishing people on recovery.
Adding two vectors together produces a vector that's the average of them. That's part of what I'm confused on, cause I'm under the impression that a vector with a length of 100 added to a vector with a length of 20 going the opposite way would get a vector going the 100's way with a length of 60. I haven't done vector addition myself, but vector addition averages them.
The goal is not to fly the shortest possible distance, its to stay away from the blastzone as long as possible. If the knockback on each path were extended a bit longer, the purple path would allow you to live the longest. Of course this was the point of the illustration, to show that its not just magnitude but also direction that matters.
Vector addition is not averaging them.
You've contradicted yourself. Flying the shortest possible distance is how to stay away from the blastzone as long as possible.
This is incorrect. Some paths to the blastzone are longer than others, so you will also want to place yourself on the path that allows for the farthest distance needed to be travelled before reaching the blastzone. As shown in the illustration, the down-left input seemingly reaches the blastzone sooner than the "optimal" one.
Well I don't have the full version available right now, but I do have the demo on two devices and from what I've tested, low percent tilt and air strings (Mario's throw -->tilt --> airs) still connects even when using the new DI mechanics upwards. To be honest it didn't seem to have much impact except for when they were in the 55-60+ range. As for increasing kill percentages, I don't think that it changes much anyways, as the people I play with are already in the habit of generally holding towards the stage when knocked up or to the sides. I honestly think that people have already been doing this in Smash 4 since the beginning and that people complaining about kill percentages are full of it.@
As far as I've observed, SDI has been gimped in effectiveness(in addition to the lack of c-stick atm). If VI is based on amount of % you've already taken, then connecting combos in Smash 4 shouldn't be any harder because of VI when compared to good SDI in the previous games. You could basically teleport yourself outside of MK uair's horizontal range in Brawl or almost two character lengths away from Fox in Melee(Ice did this) when they hit you. I imagine the distance gained from the powerful SDI in earlier games is even greater than what VI lets you do during low-mid percentages(not talking about high-% combos).
Granted, this still doesn't apply to grab followups, where SDI was impossible, and it's also purely speculation as we're lacking information to be 100% certain about VI's properties.
It's also under the assumption that SDI+VI in Smash 4 isn't as effective as SDI alone in Melee, Brawl or 64.
(Which I could be wrong about, this is only to encourage more thinking so we don't jump to a hasty conclusion)
Okay nevermind my Mario practice is still fine. Thank you for testing this : D.
I sense multiple interpretations of my illustration.
Strong Badam
One question I'd like answered about VI: Is the "box" of possible VI positions relative to the stage (i.e. it's always a flat box) or is it relative to the angle of your flight path?
The former angled option is correct. That box is unchanging, save for size relative to knockback.@
Examples:
When you're launched vertically, the box of possible VI positions is obviously like how it is on the left. However, when launched at an angle, this gets confusing. Would the box of possible VI positions be like in the middle (same as the vertical box) or is it angled like the angle of your launch trajectory, in the right picture? I'm inclined to believe it's the right, based on your Jigglypuff tests.
In your illustration, your direction leads to a flight path that moves you closer to the right-side blast zone, which is bad. I think you're trying to do something with making a hypotenuse to the corner, which is simply not how VI works. You're no longer trying to make a hypotenuse, you're trying to make the shortest possible flight path.
It really has nothing to do with the 3DS as both VI and DI use the exact same control interface(the control stick/circle pad)
Sort of. The purple path in essence makes the blastzone to the right longer. Heres more illustration of this.
Yes, this is how Ive interpreted it. My point is that the most important length is not from the player to their final destination, but from their final destination to their potential interaction with the blastzone. The latter is more important than the former when determining an input.
Yeah but the little control pad is hard enough to put move inputs in. If I understand VI correctly, you don't hold the direction you want to do go the whole time your in the air, only on the initial smash to mitigate the knockback. This would make the amount the control pad is used less for 3DS users (This all assuming most people who own a 3DS haven't bought one with a C-stick on it yet)
You only need to hold the control stick the desired direction at the start of your knockback to DI as well, not the entire time. So it's really the same duration/technique(but different mechanic and effect, obviously). You don't hold the direction you want to go the whole time you're in the air for either VI or DI.
Strong Badam
So is there an overall pool of knockback you can add or is there a specific amount you can add for each direction?purple here is not optimal. When compared with the red line that leads to the lower left corner of the blue box, It's the same distance from the top while being closer to the right side of blast zone. So while it's the same as far as getting KO'd from the top, it's worse horizontally.Sort of. The purple path in essence makes the blastzone to the right longer. Heres more illustration of this.
As you can see the corner DI makes the horizontal blastzone, in a sense, shorter than the purple path.
Yes, this is how Ive interpreted it. My point is that the most important length is not from the player to their final destination, but from their final destination to their potential interaction with the blastzone. The latter is more important than the former when determining an input.
A specific amount per each direction, but diagonal is treated like both directions together, hence the square shape of its range and not a circle. It's so hard to explain with text...@
Strong Badam
, hopefully this hasn't been asked already, but have you been able to figure out anything of the basis for the amount of vectoring you can apply?
I always felt DI was rather intuitive. I'm disappointed they changed a mechanic just for the sake of changing it. I still feel like the 3DS has something to do with it though.
MadKraken
's image because it works well. 
I have tested this and it seems to be the case that you have far less influence over weaker hits. You can't get out of Mario's utilt string at lower percents with it, I've tested and I can confirm that.
It only works on link in the demo, i do that combo all the time.That is against a CPU. Plus I have tried stuff like that against a level 9 Mario CPU many times and he escapes some of my combos if I start from 0 percent...
i think it should still work at low % since it scales with how much knockback you are suffering, the lower the knockback the lower the vectoring effects it
Yes but because of how vectoring works this is no longer optimal. In melee yes the purple trajectory would be the best one because it would allow you to survive the same hit at higher knockback than the red one, but in smash4 the purple line is subotimal because you are not decreasing your distance traveled by as much as you could.Sort of. The purple path in essence makes the blastzone to the right longer. Heres more illustration of this.
As you can see the corner DI makes the horizontal blastzone, in a sense, shorter than the purple path.
