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Various Samus Tech (Z-air --> F-smash Update)
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E.Lopez
Smash Journeyman
I'm still having trouble with B-Reverse Charge Shot Slide Cancel. I keep doing pivot Super Missile instead. For example, I flick left, then right, then press B, but I guess I am pressing B too early since I end up shooting SM to the right. I think my problem is I don't know how to consistently do perfect pivots. Maybe my question is: if I perfect pivot, at what point do I press B?
Squaddle
Smash Apprentice
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You have to press b just after releasing the control stick, early mid-slide. I've found it helpful to temporarily flick my thumb off the control stick when perfect pivoting, so I don't hold the input down any longer than I have to, but that's just me.
samosa
Smash Cadet
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So I found a small thing regarding charge shot. Just like buffering a shield drop while charging, it is also possible to buffer a jump while charging. This will make sure you jump at the earliest frame.
So the inputs would be: Start charging-->press jump--> shield. It seems you have 8 or 9 frames to buffer jump before shielding
You can input a short hop by tapping and normal jump while holding the jump button. From what I tested Samus and Mii gunner are the only ones who jump right as you press shield. Pacman and Sheik can do this too while charging but they have some lag going into shield.
So the inputs would be: Start charging-->press jump--> shield. It seems you have 8 or 9 frames to buffer jump before shielding
You can input a short hop by tapping and normal jump while holding the jump button. From what I tested Samus and Mii gunner are the only ones who jump right as you press shield. Pacman and Sheik can do this too while charging but they have some lag going into shield.
Petroklos
Smash Cadet
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Nice find. Might help with our juggling mind games. Obvious help with charging our CS, baiting an aproach, punishing with (N/B/Z)Airs. I have jump on X and shield on Y (WiiUProController) so just sliding the finger from X to Y makes instant CS->BufferedJump very easy. (Same thing with SH Airdodges) Speaking of SH Airdodges, I'm having trouble executing those out of the buffered jump, with enough frames left for a (N/B)Air. I need to mash shield faster I guess..
Unrelated. When the Ftilt nerf hit or when PPivoting broke out (or simultaneously?), someone mentioned how PP->UTilt might be a good spacing option. Has this been tested or elaborated upon? Been working on my PPivots and if this is actually any good I'd love to know.
Pyreeze
Smash Rookie
Hey guys, I'm back with some little things. It's about SH FF Dair again. I still don't have a capture card or whatever so I can't show the training mode. They are a little hard to pull off, but if you get the feel for SH FF Dair on hit, the combos outlined are easy to pull off. They are true, just have a very tight window to get.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sci8vJFDwus
In the video, I tried to outline more uses for Dair and make it a more seen move in the neutral. I am very comfortable with auto canceling Dair, so I can just react to the hit and use the appropriate follow up. Let me know if you guys have any more questions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sci8vJFDwus
In the video, I tried to outline more uses for Dair and make it a more seen move in the neutral. I am very comfortable with auto canceling Dair, so I can just react to the hit and use the appropriate follow up. Let me know if you guys have any more questions.
Bowserboy3
Asking mum how to talk to a lady
I'm seeing people mention Reverse Charge Shot. I still struggle with this. What exactly are the button inputs to do it properly?
Hark17ball
Smash Journeyman
/, , Just tap the direction you want and as it resets fire away
Bowserboy3
Asking mum how to talk to a lady
Exactly how quick a gap should I be leaving from letting he joystick hit the neutral position. I seem to either not turn around and just fire in the wrong direction, or roll back for example.
Just tap the direction you want and as it resets fire away
Afro Smash
Smash Ace
You can only do it in the air
Bowserboy3
Asking mum how to talk to a lady
Ahh, That makes sense now! I'll give it a try when I get home. Thanks!
DungeonMaster
Smash Lord
Nice, yes, I mentioned sour spot D-air combos in passing at the very end of the complete combo video in the strange stuff section, you definitely can get them to register under certain circumstances. Rising from the edge sour-spot D-air on a large target like DK wil register jab 1+2 combo in training mode.Pyreeze said:
Also certain hitbox interactions allow for quick follow up as well. You can see this in one my recent vids as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yo58H3uoWE#t=163
Pyreeze
Smash Rookie
I know you guys are probably tired of me talking about Dair, but I think this is pretty good information.
It's about tech chasing on the Battlefield platforms with it, or more specifically, replacing the missle lock setup. Sweet Spot dair locks as I'm sure we all know, and if caught on the platforms not teching, it can lead to huge damage or even the stock. The video is kind of longer than the usual ones I put up, but please check it out if you have the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-g-EF7R-T8
It's about tech chasing on the Battlefield platforms with it, or more specifically, replacing the missle lock setup. Sweet Spot dair locks as I'm sure we all know, and if caught on the platforms not teching, it can lead to huge damage or even the stock. The video is kind of longer than the usual ones I put up, but please check it out if you have the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-g-EF7R-T8
Xygonn
Smash Ace
This is good stuff! Hadn't thought about locking with dair on the platform dthrow.
Crystanium
Smash Hero
I still can't perfect pivot or do B-reversal in the air. It's not like Brawl's.
DungeonMaster
Smash Lord
Pyreeze
I really like the detail you went to. I've been using more and more d-air in my game recently, particularly switching up my edge-guard if I know they can make it to the ledge I bomb the roll point and go for d-air directly into the stage lip. If I could only master that FF d-air timing to perfection...
DungeonMaster
can you show a clip of exactly what you're talking about please?
Pyreeze
Smash Rookie
This is me vs. the 3rd best player in Washington, Konga. He is no slouch by any means. This just proves that the Dair Lock is viable in tourney. I am hype af right now.
https://oddshot.tv/shot/SclObo/UzqFscRqFsdBcrKFuyMhd51A
https://oddshot.tv/shot/SclObo/UzqFscRqFsdBcrKFuyMhd51A
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Xygonn
Smash Ace
I feel like I've asked you before, where abouts are you in WA? I'm in Issaquah.
That's a great win! I know DK is huge in our favor but Konga is a really good player.
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Pyreeze
Smash Rookie
I live next to Lakewood. I'm just working out here for a while. I'm originally from Cali though.
Hapajin
Smash Apprentice
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I just saw this on EMG's channel, great stuff!
DungeonMaster
Smash Lord
Nice stuff making top 10 plays of the month
Pyreeze
!
Bombing the ledge snap and trying to catch standard getup is by far more effective in general.
Pyreeze
! Yep, I've been away+busy recently but I'll try and get you a vid shortly. It's nothing ground breaking, and because rolls are all different lengths it's not super practical, it's more mixup vs. good players.
Bombing the ledge snap and trying to catch standard getup is by far more effective in general.