Official v1.2.0 Patch Discussion Thread

[that_rock]

Isabelle's rod range is extremely inconsistent to the point where it is basically random. Our damage range (isabelle discord)was from around 14-19%?
Damage Document (Shoutouts to Lath#5200 and Isachu / Spexx#6391)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16e6P2A-facXTTO_DHyiZu6KOlDC2YOnlF2W2VDlKZow/edit#gid=0

Yeah basically all I'm saying is that rod damage is stupid to calculate and really should be taken with a grain of salt until we somehow actually figure out a consistent way to compare 1.1 and 1.2 rods.

 

[Polonoid]

99.9% sure that training mode does not apply 1v1 no items damage buffs.

I just went into training mode as PAC-MAN and jabbed Isabelle for 2.4%, then went into the pause menu to spawn a second player and the damage for jab changed to 2.0%, so training mode does indeed seem to have the multiplier.

 

[J0eyboi]

Has anyone tested whether or not training mode is still 3 frames off yet?

 

[Zapp Branniglenn]

Guys, Training mode DOES have the 1v1 multiplier. If you want to turn it off, set amount of CPUs to 2. It also does not have move staling.

Young Link's fire arrow base damage is 4.0 uncharged and 12.0 in patch 1.1. Base damage means no freshness bonus or 1v1 multiplier.

Pac-Man has always reacted to a missed grab. Ever since the E3 demo.

Isabelle's Side B damage is...weird. I get different damage values on Rod Fthrow every time. Between 16 and 19 with no 1v1 multiplier.

 

[PokéfreakofBACON]

Keep staling in mind. Staling applies in training in this game it seems. I tested this prior to updating and was able to get that number reliably on the way out. The retracting grab has even stronger throws damagewise but iunno stats on that.

Isabelle's rod range is extremely inconsistent to the point where it is basically random. Our damage range (isabelle discord)was from around 14-19%?
Damage Document (Shoutouts to Lath#5200 and Isachu / Spexx#6391)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16e6P2A-facXTTO_DHyiZu6KOlDC2YOnlF2W2VDlKZow/edit#gid=0

Yeah basically all I'm saying is that rod damage is stupid to calculate and really should be taken with a grain of salt until we somehow actually figure out a consistent way to compare 1.1 and 1.2 rods.

Staling is actually an option you can turn on/off in training mode this time, I have it off. Isabelle's damage on fishing rod throws seem to be unchanged, but with how inconsistent they are, it's hard to say for sure I suppose.

 

[Myran]

Can someone test FoD lag in a 1v1? The clip shown is 4 ICs but that doesn't pertain to singles.

 

[Geras]

CSS hand moves faster

 

[Olo]

Pacman already makes a sad expression when he misses. Did they change it?

 

[Untouch]

Can someone test FoD lag in a 1v1? The clip shown is 4 ICs but that doesn't pertain to singles.

Is there a way to upload videos off of the switch yet? I can get a video, but my computer doesn't have a miniSD slot.

 

[Cereal Bawks]

Isabelle's Side B damage is...weird. I get different damage values on Rod Fthrow every time. Between 16 and 19 with no 1v1 multiplier.

I think it has to do with the distance and whether or not your opponent is between you and the bait. I consistently get around 20% when I do the latter, whereas I get like 18% and 17% if I just side b normally.

 

[mtlerner42]

Can someone test FoD lag in a 1v1? The clip shown is 4 ICs but that doesn't pertain to singles.

It still does have some degree of lag. Testing in ICs dittos, hitting the AI with a charged F-smash causes a slightly lesser degree of frame dips. I can try to take a video with my phone if you want,, but I don't have a way to export a switch video yet.

I'm not noticing any drops when it whiffs, just when it hits the opponent on the water.

 

[PokéfreakofBACON]

Is the Pac-Man expressions thing just the slight frown he makes when he misses a grab? Because that is 100% in 1.1, unless it was changed in some way.

 

[Gamehowitzer]

I think they reduced they duration and ending lag of kirby N-air, possibly also made his fast fall speed or movement speed faster, possibly changed his weight.
They fixed the witch time glitch on Ice climbers, popo and nana both have their own timer now.

 

[Myran]

Is there a way to upload videos off of the switch yet? I can get a video, but my computer doesn't have a miniSD slot.

I'm not sure if there is. You could record 60fps off a phone if your's can do that.

 

[PokéfreakofBACON]

CSS hand moves faster

I really hope this is true, could you try and get some numbers for how fast? Try and time it going from left to right across the whole screen. It takes about 1.6 seconds in 1.1.

 

[Tomyrz]

I really hope this is true, could you try and get some numbers for how fast? Try and time it going from left to right across the whole screen. It takes about 1.6 seconds in 1.1.

1.6 seconds across css in 1.2

 

[GwJ]

I really hope this is true, could you try and get some numbers for how fast? Try and time it going from left to right across the whole screen. It takes about 1.6 seconds in 1.1.

Just tested it and got 1.59 seconds on my first try, probably placebo.

 

[BigHairyFart]

I really hope this is true, could you try and get some numbers for how fast? Try and time it going from left to right across the whole screen. It takes about 1.6 seconds in 1.1.

I'm getting 1.6s consistently in 1.2 going left to right

 

[[TSON]]

Isabelle's rod range is extremely inconsistent to the point where it is basically random. Our damage range (isabelle discord)was from around 14-19%?
Damage Document (Shoutouts to Lath#5200 and Isachu / Spexx#6391)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16e6P2A-facXTTO_DHyiZu6KOlDC2YOnlF2W2VDlKZow/edit#gid=0

Yeah basically all I'm saying is that rod damage is stupid to calculate and really should be taken with a grain of salt until we somehow actually figure out a consistent way to compare 1.1 and 1.2 rods.

More testing shows that the longer the buoy is out (before capping the damage) the more damage the throw does, even after it hits the ground. That would explain it - it's a floating point style move kinda like Brawl had stuff like Sonic homing attack and etc.

Point blank doesn't require any fancy math because its going to grab frame 1 so the damage increase over time will never even apply. Notably we got a 0.7% damage difference in both examples (including point blank) so I can absolutely say with confidence that's what's goin' on here. -0.7%.

 

[THK]

How many of these are merely bug fixes? Like can anyone replicate those weird Olimar grab bugs?

 

[AceTechHD]

Just tried 1.2 with a Cube controller and it seems the input delay has been reduced. Can't say for sure, could just be placebo.

 

[ZeoLightning]

Change found for PAC

When he fruit recycles key now he gets it back in his queue instead of it disappearing

Footage of 1.1 Key Fruit Loop: https://twitter.com/ZeoLightning/status/1071599785533157376
Footage of Patched. 1.2 Fruit Loop: https://twitter.com/ZeoLightning/status/1073400453478694912

 

[PokéfreakofBACON]

RIP faster cursor dream. Does anyone wanna try and test kirby for what Gamehowitzer is saying? If nair is faster Kirby probably won't have a star pop out on a short hop nair. He gets nair landing lag on short hop in 1.1, not normal landing lag.

 

[WolfCypher]

• The fighters that had specific adjustments and changes are the below

Link, Donkey Kong, Kirby, Luigi, Ice Climbers, Young Link, Olimar, Toon Link, Villager, Greninja...

Oh God, its starting!!

I'm interested that all three Links are on this list, and that out of all the heavyweights, its Donkey Kong? Only Donkey Kong?

 

[Camc10]

Pacman already makes a sad expression when he misses. Did they change it?

From what i hear, they made it so that he always makes that face when he misses a grab, while in 1.1, it was inconsistent if he did or not.

 

[Olo]

Tested Kirby's nair. It seems identical

 

[mjmannella]

Change found for PAC

When he fruit recycles key now he gets it back in his queue instead of it disappearing

Footage of 1.1 Key Fruit Loop: https://twitter.com/ZeoLightning/status/1071599785533157376
Footage of Patched. 1.2 Fruit Loop: https://twitter.com/ZeoLightning/status/1073400453478694912

That's a nice buff. Don't know how game-changing it is though.

 

[Gamehowitzer]

RIP faster cursor dream. Does anyone wanna try and test kirby for what Gamehowitzer is saying? If nair is faster Kirby probably won't have a star pop out on a short hop nair. He gets nair landing lag on short hop in 1.1, not normal landing lag.

i mean midair and how long it lasts. Not landing lag, i said end lag which is when the move runs its course right? i mentioned this because i know if you used it offstage before you were really likely to die. it seemed shorter but maybe i'm projecting fom smash 4.

 

[LGameTales]

I'm not confident anybody can lab Isabelle's Side B yet

Its damage is very erratic. It is based on exact distance to the enemy and seems to oscillate between a min and max too rapidly to be predictable. Even us on the Isabelle Discord do not know exactly how it works yet, but we will know soon enough if there are any changes.

I'll post what we find when our competent labbers get the time.

 

[Zapp Branniglenn]

From what i hear, they made it so that he always makes that face when he misses a grab, while in 1.1, it was inconsistent if he did or not.

Just did a couple minutes of grabs with Pac Man on 1.1. Testing all three grabs. He made the face every time without fail.

 

[Olo]

i mean midair and how long it lasts. Not landing lag, i said end lag which is when the move runs its course right? i mentioned this because i know if you used it offstage before you were really likely to die. it seemed shorter but maybe i'm projecting fom smash 4.

The ending lag is the same as far as I can tell. Just tested it with my non-updated copy and my friend's updated copy.

 

[Gamehowitzer]

The ending lag is the same as far as I can tell. Just tested it with my non-updated copy and my friend's updated copy.

okay. sorry for the confusion thanks for testing it that quickly lol

 

[Jakerro]

Keep staling in mind. Staling applies in training in this game it seems. I tested this prior to updating and was able to get that number reliably on the way out. The retracting grab has even stronger throws damagewise but iunno stats on that.

In version 1.1.0, with the rod automatically retracting itself, it does 16.8. If it retracts by the button as soon as the rod touches the ground, it deals at most 20.4. This is with the forward throw from the rod

 

[lordvaati]

Changes have been confirmed for:
Donkey Kong, Link, Kirby, Luigi, Ice Climbers, Young Link, Olimar, Toon Link, Villager, Greninja, Pac-Man, Duck Hunt, Isabelle

About a week before the game launched someone discovered the Freeze Glitch was still around so I'm heavily leaning towards that being the change to those 2.

 

[Gunla]

Can someone test FoD lag in a 1v1? The clip shown is 4 ICs but that doesn't pertain to singles.

Not even 1v1 saves it pic.twitter.com/Vu7WDfAqn0

— Gunla (@GunlaEXE) December 14, 2018

Should've posted it earlier but it's still Fountain of Frames, sadly, 1v1 or not.

 

[RandysRage]

Changes have been confirmed for:
Donkey Kong, Link, Kirby, Luigi, Ice Climbers, Young Link, Olimar, Toon Link, Villager, Greninja, Pac-Man, Duck Hunt, Isabelle

Of course they nerf Greninja.

 

[shrooby]

Just did a couple minutes of grabs with Pac Man on 1.1. Testing all three grabs. He made the face every time without fail.

Huh, that's really odd.
What is happening in this footage then?

THE MADMEN
THEY FIXED IT
THEY FIXED PACMANS GRAB EXPRESSIONS pic.twitter.com/D0V9cy4Yio

— Dex (@TD_Dex) December 14, 2018

 

[BeatMax Sakuraba]

Doing some testing with a friend.

Young Link's arrows definitely got their damage nerfed. Did around 16% now at full charge.
In addition, the angle the arrows launch has been changed.

 

[THK]

Kirby nair is unchanged. However can someone test how fast side b charges on 1.1? I really don't remember it catching fire that fast.

Edit: NEVERMIND Hammer is the same speed.

 

[PokéfreakofBACON]

Just did a couple minutes of grabs with Pac Man on 1.1. Testing all three grabs. He made the face every time without fail.

I didn't do as much testing as you, but I can confirm he did it every time of the 20-30 times I whiffed it in 1.1.