Official v1.2.0 Patch Discussion Thread

[FroakieSLA]

Just tested Simon/Richter instant ledge jump, still works

 

[Jakerro]

If DK had any changes to damage, I have the damage from his specials pre-patch. Neutral B fully charged does 33.6%. Side B does 12.0% and has the target trapped in the ground for about 2 seconds. Up B does a total of 19.2%. Lastly, Down B does 16.8%.

 

[ilLiusion]

Im not aware what makes greninjas uair send downwards but it seems more probable to now.
Let me know!

If u catch someone in falling uair, the drag effect from the multi hit is quite significant, was sometimes called “spiking uair” in smash 4

 

[lordvaati]

OK, just downloaded 1.20 and confirm 2 various things:

-The Color Change lag bug is still there. Bummer.
-Yoshi's Story still spawns food, which confirms it's not a bug but an in-game hazard added to the stage. Hazardless removes the Shyguys along with Randall. due to this Yoshi's Story can pretty much just be classed as a BF Variant akin to Midgar since it's only legal with Hazards off.

 

[Zapp Branniglenn]

Huh, that's really odd.
What is happening in this footage then?

THE MADMEN
THEY FIXED IT
THEY FIXED PACMANS GRAB EXPRESSIONS pic.twitter.com/D0V9cy4Yio

— Dex (@TD_Dex) December 14, 2018

I'm recreating this scenario right now and it's not happening. I have no idea what would cause the expressions to not happen.

 

[FroakieSLA]

If DK had any changes to damage, I have the damage from his specials pre-patch. Neutral B fully charged does 33.6%. Side B does 12.0% and has the target trapped in the ground for about 2 seconds. Up B does a total of 19.2%. Lastly, Down B does 16.8%.

Just tried these, all damage values are the same

 

[xzx]

Tested damage changes for Pac-Man and nothing has changed.

 

[Maurya Atluri]

lol lol lol

 

[BeatMax Sakuraba]

Young Link's Boomerang also had it's launch angle changed, but I need people to test that for me, too.

 

[Gunla]

I guess this is still a thing? pic.twitter.com/FiIS5H5PKj

— Gunla (@GunlaEXE) December 14, 2018

It would appear the infinite witch time bug with Icies might still be a thing, unless I'm doing something wrong here.

 

[MajoraMan28]

So, one of the things that really was broken for DK was his cargo throw. If you got to around 90% and got grabbed by DK, he can carry you off stage, throw you to the blastzone and get back easily to the stage. You couldn't mash out of the cargo throw. Can anyone confirm if they fixed this?

 

[LGameTales]

Did around 16% now at full charge.
In addition, the angle the arrows launch has been changed.

I have 1.1.0 and fire arrows do 14.4% fully charged in training mode (with the 1v1 multiplier)

 

[Olo]

Went through Kirby's moves. The damages seem exactly the same. His fall speed and ground speed seem the same. There must be some frame data or subtle knockback changes.

 

[BeatMax Sakuraba]

I have 1.1.0 and fire arrows do 14.4% fully charged in training mode (with the 1v1 multiplier)

Then maybe it's just the launch angle that was changed?

 

[Geras]

Here's the thing with the CSS cursor:

In previous versions, acceleration would be very slow if you didn't tap the stick very quickly. Speed itself didn't change, but the acceleration requires much less stick force.

 

[Kraken8888]

I just went into training mode as PAC-MAN and jabbed Isabelle for 2.4%, then went into the pause menu to spawn a second player and the damage for jab changed to 2.0%, so training mode does indeed seem to have the multiplier.

stale

 

[PokéfreakofBACON]

Here's the thing with the CSS cursor:

In previous versions, acceleration would be very slow if you didn't tap the stick very quickly. Speed itself didn't change, but the acceleration requires much less stick force.

sakurai you coward just make the cursor faster >

stale

you just gonna ignore the "training mode" part of that post?

 

[Jakerro]

So, one of the things that really was broken for DK was his cargo throw. If you got to around 90% and got grabbed by DK, he can carry you off stage, throw you to the blastzone and get back easily to the stage. You couldn't mash out of the cargo throw. Can anyone confirm if they fixed this?

You could get out of the cargo throw since 1.1.0, you just had to mash the buttons to get out of it, so it hasn't been broken

 

[Zamazardde]

Pac-Man running grab and pivot grab animation change was removed from the official change list for some reason. That was definitely a legit bug fix though.

 

[dogass]

Testing Duck Hunt at the moment. Only thing I'm seeing as far as changes is down-air damage nerfed from 18% to 15.3%.

It looks like in 1.1 down-air combo goes from 6% on the first hit to 18% on the second hit while in 1.2 its 5.1% to 15.3%

That's all I'm finding for him at the moment.

 

[xzx]

Young Link's arrows have changed for sure: before, the arrows sent you straight up, but now, they send you up and a little away.

 

[J0eyboi]

Testing Duck Hunt at the moment. Only thing I'm seeing as far as changes is down-air damage nerfed from 18% to 15.3%.

It looks like in 1.1 down-air combo goes from 6% on the first hit to 18% on the second hit while in 1.2 its 5.1% to 15.3%

That's all I'm finding for him at the moment.

That's just the short hop multiplier

 

[Dogmaster]

Can someone check the trajectory on the link's projectiles? What im hearing is that it is now harder to combo since it sends them away

 

[SuperArtCancel]

I'm still on version 1.1.0 if anyone wants to corroborate something with me.

 

[PokéfreakofBACON]

Testing Duck Hunt at the moment. Only thing I'm seeing as far as changes is down-air damage nerfed from 18% to 15.3%.

It looks like in 1.1 down-air combo goes from 6% on the first hit to 18% on the second hit while in 1.2 its 5.1% to 15.3%

That's all I'm finding for him at the moment.

I can confirm that it did 18% total in 1.1. First hit is 6%, second hit is 12%. That's a nerf to down-air for sure.

Young Link's arrows have changed for sure: before, the arrows sent you straight up, but now, they send you up and a little away.

Define "up and a little away," because in 1.1 they DO NOT send DIRECTLY upward, they send at about an 80 degree angle. Straight up would be 90 degrees.

 

[dogass]

That's just the short hop multiplier

My bad, testing with another person. Thanks for pointing that out.

It's weird though I'm not seeing much of anything changed.

 

[MajoraMan28]

You could get out of the cargo throw since 1.1.0, you just had to mash the buttons to get out of it, so it hasn't been broken

I swear to you, I mashed like crazy and I never escaped. I think there's a threshold of how much mashing you should do depending on %
And I guarantee you, DK gets way too many kills this way. I don't think it's fair to mash like I'm playing Melee insanely to get out of cargo at 100%

 

[shrooby]

Pac-Man running grab and pivot grab animation change was removed from the official change list for some reason. That was definitely a legit bug fix though.

As Zapp said, he tried recreating the scenario in 1.1 and Pac Man was still getting facial expression consistently.
So, in the footage in the tweet, there were some weird circumstances that caused him to not make the face, and we can't know how to recreate it, thus we can't know if that particular instance was fixed.

 

[Zapp Branniglenn]

Young Link's arrows have changed for sure: before, the arrows sent you straight up, but now, they send you up and a little away.

80 degree angle in 1.1.

Young Link's Boomerang also had it's launch angle changed, but I need people to test that for me, too.

~70 degree angle in 1.1.

 

[Rocketjay8]

Fountain of Frames lives up to the name, RIP pic.twitter.com/FwTKsJIioT

— Gunla (@GunlaEXE) December 14, 2018

In case anyone is wondering about FoD.

I hope the community puts a temporary ban on FoD until it gets patched.

 

[Spexx]

More testing shows that the longer the buoy is out (before capping the damage) the more damage the throw does, even after it hits the ground. That would explain it - it's a floating point style move kinda like Brawl had stuff like Sonic homing attack and etc.

Point blank doesn't require any fancy math because its going to grab frame 1 so the damage increase over time will never even apply. Notably we got a 0.7% damage difference in both examples (including point blank) so I can absolutely say with confidence that's what's goin' on here. -0.7%.

This is wrong

First of all, grabbing with the first frame possible of rod can result in different damages.

Rod is very inconsistent. At each distance from the opponent, you can go forward a few pixels and get more damage then move forward a few more and get less. It is distance based but it's so inconsistent that it's practically random. We've done extensive testing and found that this is true, as can be seen in this spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16e6P2A-facXTTO_DHyiZu6KOlDC2YOnlF2W2VDlKZow/edit#gid=0

Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying this is just blatant misinformation (if I am please tell me)

 

[Jakerro]

I swear to you, I mashed like crazy and I never escaped. I think there's a threshold of how much mashing you should do depending on %
And I guarantee you, DK gets way too many kills this way. I don't think it's fair to mash like I'm playing Melee insanely to get out of cargo at 100%

I just tested it with a friend on 1.1.0 and you can get out of cargo even at 100%, it just takes some slightly fast button pressing.

 

[Zamazardde]

I'm still on version 1.1.0 if anyone wants to corroborate something with me.

Would you want to test pacmans pivot grab and run grab? see if you can recreate it being bugged in 1.1

 

[PokéfreakofBACON]

I swear to you, I mashed like crazy and I never escaped. I think there's a threshold of how much mashing you should do depending on %
And I guarantee you, DK gets way too many kills this way. I don't think it's fair to mash like I'm playing Melee insanely to get out of cargo at 100%

You might be mashing wrong. That sounds stupid, but mashing too many things can actually make you worse off. There's a Beefy Smash Dudes video on it, assuming it's the same in Ultimate.

 

[S_B]

Been a while since I got to read some placebo effects. I can't wait to check back here to have a laugh.

I'm SURE Simon's thighs got sexier.

Totally not a placebo!

 

[CryoGX]

According to several guys in the Kirby Discord, Kirby only received Pac-Man's neutral-B changes, and didn't get anything noteworthy, himself.

 

[Polonoid]

stale

I'm not stupid lol, you can turn off staling in the training mode options.

 

[Gamehowitzer]

ok you know what i think they fixed kirby being able or not being able to inhale things
like simons axe at the top of its arc

 

[Ffamran]

I wonder if this was a part of the adjustments to Pac-Man if other stuff hasn't been found for him or specifically for him like how people interact with him.

クッソどうでも良いバグを見つけました。
横bでパックマンが進み始めると同時にエサを切られることで本来横bに追従するはずのエフェクトが常時出ています。もう一度パワーエサを使うと戻りました。

F91みたいでかっこいいですね pic.twitter.com/f7FrAcvir0

— まじんが (@majingaman) December 12, 2018

Someone who can read and actually translate Japanese would be better at explaining what's happening. Google Translate gives me this: "I found a good bug in Kusso. At the same time as Pac-Man begins to advance at the side b, effects are supposed to follow the side b at all times by cutting the food at the same time. I used it again and it went back. It looks like F91 and it's cool". Essentially, it's a visual bug.

ROB wasn't listed nor were the Marthlings, but this could fall under general gameplay changes that could have been fixed. Hopefully, because this is really weird and kind of dumb.

Chrom, Roy, Marth, and Lucina cannot dash grab ROB when he's shielding no matter what direction he's facing. The only way they can grab him is if they dash grab him when he's at the ledge (so he can't be pushed back) or if they standing grab him. pic.twitter.com/WBgFpVoov2

— Amari (@Bozzy_D) December 12, 2018

 

[THK]

Went through Kirby's moves. The damages seem exactly the same. His fall speed and ground speed seem the same. There must be some frame data or subtle knockback changes.

The only thing I can think from here is a change to one of the copy abilities, which might just tie into Pac-Man's neutral B change.