UTrick'd2, OVER! Mafia wins!

[#HBC | Gorf]

Actually, this just reminded me of something. This exact thing is exactly like Nabe's play in MM, and he was an indy in that...

However, after reading Brosuke's analysis of Inferno's posts (missed it before the last post I did), I have to say that I think that my early opinion of him being town is still correct, despite the AtE issues.

What, are you pulling out his guts and seeing the future, Darken Rahl style? (points if you get the reference; the first book was the best)

I'm fine with Soup, will post reasons when I get home from school.
Vote: Soup

Wow, this looks bad. Insults, saying that we're going to "lose something that we'll never get back..." Calm down before you make yourself look even scummier.

Also, what is this twilight power? Why didn't you use it yesterDay?

Were any of these the ones where you so confidentally called Inferno town?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Nah, I'm like that in all my games, haha. I'm trying my best to do better in this one, though.

So, do you feel you let your emotions get the best of you?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Hm. I honestly don't know the way to go with this, but I really don't like you too much as compared to Inferno.

Well, I mean, you're pretty much the scummiest non-ryker player, but that's not saying much since I was barely here D1. However, since I'm sticking by Inferno town, you're the only viable lynch candidate to me.

Or you can mean this one, which is well after Brosuke's push to move the wagon from Inferno to Soup.

 

[Lore]

Vote: Werekill

Damn, how did I miss that neutrality on my first read?

Convenient move here. If I end up getting lynched toDay, this seems of note.

haBULLS***.

On. That. ****ing. Reread. Are you being so ****ing stupid that you ca-

Calm down, Werekill.

Ok.

I said directly that I was rereading in order to ascertain my read based on play. I questioned his role a couple times, yes. However, it was not on the agenda for that reread.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Ascertain.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Did this game get easier or did we Ryker rub off on us?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Hop on board the wagon while the seats are warm mang.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Vote: Werekill

 

[Kantrip]

If it's of note after your lynch, why is it not of note now?

Don't be intolerable, Werekill.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

also Gorf i started it
i was the first to ask you your read on Werekill

you're a loser

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Nah I actually reread Werekill D1 cuz I was like "Ya know, he ain't sittin too well mang..." So tiddly-do's to you.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I reread Werekill D1 last Night*

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

So did i

 

[T-block]

YO

not to distract from the wonderful stuff you guys are doing

but soup owes me an explanation for a LAK read >=(

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Okay t-block i'm sorry i will finally get to that

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Oh yea we need to discuss him too.

 

[Lore]

Were any of these the ones where you so confidentally called Inferno town?

My earlier post pointed out the main bit where I really started thinking Inferno town, and the posts you quoted were after Brosuke's case on Inferno, which I completely agreed with and let it completely cinch my townFerno read instead of being a mostly-town-don't-want-to-lynchFerno.

Are you calling me scummy for agreeing completely with a case and using it as part of my reasoning? Isn't that what cases are meant to do?

@Soup: Yeah, I guess they do. I usually stay rational, but good god, I get pissed off. I also have a really bad tendency to tunnel when I get going, so I'm trying to stop it.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Are you calling me scummy for agreeing completely with a case and using it as part of my reasoning?

No there are plenty of implied reasons why I think you're scum that I don't wanna really have to go through because any townie that has read the last page or so where I've been quoting you and stuff can see what I'm talking about.

 

[Lore]

If it's of note after your lynch, why is it not of note now?

Don't be intolerable, Werekill.

If I get lynched and then flip town (which I will flip), then I think that it was an interesting post. You basically said "OH **** I MISSED THAT LOLOLOL" then hopped right on board without giving much more thought.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Wait, you think you're already about to get lynched?

 

[T-block]

soup stop being stupid lol

i actually agree with werekill in that kantrip's hop was gross

but he should stop trying to redirect ;D

 

[Kantrip]

He should be, with how he's acting right now. Fosho.

Isn't that what a case is supposed to do? I agree with Gorf so that is my reasoning.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

soup stop being stupid lol

understanding what i'm getting at
































T-block

 

[Kantrip]

I don't see how the hop is gross. Explain.

 

[Lore]

@soup: Well, duh. I'm the major wagon, and from what I've seen of the metagame, not much will help here when one or two people (Gorf, Ryker earlier) are dead set in every way against me.


@T-Block: Not redirecting. Noticing for later.

@kan: No, there's a difference. I found the case to be majorly solid after I had already stated similar thoughts. You, on the other hand, just jumped on without anything before it.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Sometimes I wish I didn't start writing things at the top of vote counts because I run out of things to say
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Vote Count​

Soup [0]
Werekill[3] - Gordito, Kantrip, Soup
Kantrip[0]
Composer[0]
T-Block[0]
LAK[0]
Zeke The Moth[0]
Meadowsizzle[0]
Gordito [0]

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Not voting: Composer, Werekill, Zeke The Moth, T-Block, LAK, Meadowsizzle

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch! Deadline for D3 is set at December 11th at 11:59 PM!

EDIT: I also updated the OP

 

[Kantrip]

Really WK? REALLY???

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@soup: Well, duh. I'm the major wagon, and from what I've seen of the metagame, not much will help here when one or two people (Gorf, Ryker earlier) are dead set in every way against me.

They have reasoning, and i have reasoning also.

also your push on Kantrip seems about as "jumped on" as his vote on you, does this change your Null read on him?

 

[Lore]

Really WK? REALLY???

Yeah? I'm fairly certain that you didn't post much along the lines of scum-me before, but feel free to prove that I have a bad memory. If you can, then I'll not worry about your jump.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

.....
Werekill...

 

[Lore]

They have reasoning, and i have reasoning also.

also your push on Kantrip seems about as "jumped on" as his vote on you, does this change your Null read on him?

Fair enough.

And no, not really. It's just something that I thought felt bad, but I still have him as a null. It's just something that I noted for later.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

but you obviously shown feelings of spite against him and tried ridiculing in a not Null manner.

 

[Lore]

but you obviously shown feelings of spite against him and tried ridiculing in a not Null manner.

What feelings of spite? From D1? That was me feeling insulted, but I'm past that.

And I ridiculed that jumping post, not him as a person. It looked a bit bad, but I was never referring to his other posts when saying how bad it was, was I?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Welp, continuing to rip Werekill a new would be mundane, might as well set my sights elsewhere some other day. For tonight is a probable ta-ta, as tomorrow is a school day. Still wanna know why you stand by LAK being town Soup.

 

[Lore]

I'm going to bed; I just remembered that tomorow's school. Don't expect more replies any time soon.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

So does anyone wanna do stuff today while I'm (most likely) gone till later tonight? Only lines of duty so far are looking into LAK more and... Well... Whatever else there is that I find . Werekill did you find anything good to defend yourself or are you cool with just admitting you're scum? It's cool either way I mean I just want you to have the best lynching experience ever c:

/may or may not be high typing this.

 

[T-block]

have either of you played with werekill before?

 

[T-block]

either being you or soup

i ask because i read him very wrong in ragnarok, and even in MM i remember thinking his play was scummy

so i'm not very confident in reading him, and i was going to leave it up to you to read him

 

[Lore]

So does anyone wanna do stuff today while I'm (most likely) gone till later tonight? Only lines of duty so far are looking into LAK more and... Well... Whatever else there is that I find . Werekill did you find anything good to defend yourself or are you cool with just admitting you're scum? It's cool either way I mean I just want you to have the best lynching experience ever c:

/may or may not be high typing this.

I've already shown where I clearly said my read of Inferno (my 1007) before Brosuke started really pushing townInferno, and I've given reasoning for all of the things that you have called me out on. However, you continue to ignore whatever I say, which I admit is quite frustrating.

And by frustrating, I mean that I'm holding in what I want to say because a teacher is over my shoulder, and I'm not allowed to really say what I think.

I'll finish rereading Gorf later; I was on my iPod last night, and that makes it hard to read all of one person's posts.

Soup, I don't actually recall you saying why you think I'm scum other than "teaming up" with Gorf. Can you give me a quick summary of your opinion of me?

Can I get opinions from other people than just Gorf, Soup, TB, and Kan? I'd like to hear what other people think.

 

[T-block]

pretty much every quote from LAK ignoring the obvious fluff and repeat quotes, brosuke style

this is such a waste of my time lol

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this is already ignoring several posts that are clearly useless. all in all, over a third of their posts thus far have been posts of this nature - comments on what happened at night or about role mechanics and speculation on it. not scummy in itself, but when you consider that over a third of the posts are like this, it's pretty bad. and the posts that aren't like this aren't much better either.

"No one died", but yet his body is missing?

Hmm, but why did he note that Acro's body is missing if he got lynched.
If someone gets lynched, they die and that's it...there usually isn't "follow-up" as to where their body went.

Interesting that there was no NK.

He didn't even hint towards it last Twilight..

If it's a Twilight Power, wouldn't you still be able to use it if you were the chosen lynch?

If the lynch is stopped before the flip, then we still don't know town or scum for sure on who was saved, though.

So...if Inferno had a PR, does he get an extra action of "pointing" to someone else, or does the point happen alongside his PR on whoever he uses it on?

Yeah, Brosuke stated in the later part of D2 that he was splashed with water the night before.

T-BLOCK, CAN YOU HEAR ANYTHING?

So now there is possibly a third foruth Night Action that caused someone to go deaf?

We've got a comatose guy and two dead guys.

There's definately an Arsonist, and since Brosuke said he was splashed with water yesterDay, there is an Arsonist-protection role it seems.

Ryker seems like he was a scum kill.

As for the comatose guy - well he's dead weight right now. :/

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never gives reasoning for thinking acrostic is scum. closest they come is implying that they agree with ryker's push. no basis behind the vote, so while they were on the acrostic wagon, that doesn't make me feel any better about them. they didn't even end up placing a vote on acrostic for the final wagon, but ryker's early hammer effed things up so that's whatever.

fifth post is just parroting again with no reasoning. sixth post is more setup stuff, and expressing doubt about ryker's claim while still saying they believe it. then come two questions with absolutely no follow-up whatsoever. they are generic "thoughts on X" that are intended to look like scumhunting. soup doesn't even answer the second one, and they never bring it up again. they don't really care about the answers to the questions - they just want it to look like they're doing something.

last quote is really really stupid. what is the point in making that post? expressing doubt based on really weak meta without any sort of support. this is also nothing like my play in either of those games lol

Elaborate on this. Also want to know what doesn't make Acro's comments early to Ryker not a scum tell.

I don't follow.

So where exactly atm do you stand with Ryker, or is it the same as you stated befire with your readlist?



I like him at L-2, though will put him at L-1 if need be.

And I'll work on that posting stuff when I'm not at work.

...goddamning it, I'm gonna wait for the flip. If your a lyncher I swear to god...

Same thing if he flips town as well.

While I did have Acro as a personal scum pick, I think a quick lynch without a claim was stupid as hell, I'm legit mad about this, like why the **** did people put him at L-1?

Acro claim when you can claim and give your last reads.

One of these three are scum.

Fo sho?

Seems unbeleiveable to me, like wtf powerful in endgame if still alive, but I buy the motive and the scum flip on Acro.

So it's just when you hammer people yes?

Soup, thoughts on the about with Inferno and Meowz?

Ryker opinion on Brosuke's #1369?

Why do I get the feeling T-Block is fitting his Super Mario RPG, and Husepets meta. :/

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it was already brought up that LAK brought up meadow and never did anything with it. the push itself is hypocritical though - the main point is that meadow was providing side commentary without actually doing anything, which is exactly what LAK has been doing all game.

Elaborate on this. Also want to know what doesn't make Acro's comments early to Ryker not a scum tell.

Washed/S2 hydra is looking like scum to me, a lot of side commentary and playing a mentorish role with not a whole lot of meddling in the mud me thinks.

This is most from what I read since the game started til page 4-5 of that hydra posting.

Though on the contrary I'm not certain of Inferno scum in relation to Acro yet.

@Joey: thoughts on Acro and Meow hydra?

@Zeke: same for you.

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watch the read sway back and forth. starts with a town read on inferno, saying they want to lynch soup first and buying inferno's ate and post-"inevitable lynch" behaviour. then after soup's claim they say they'll go back to reading inferno (which comes after ryker and i say soup is probably town), and they come in with saying their town read was "shriveled", saying they can now see it as a possibility. they never explicitly say what makes that read "shrivel", probably because they don't really have any reasoning. cue post by brosuke, which they reference and say it's good logic, causing them to rethink. nothing comes of that, and they're back to putting inferno at l-1. there's three stance switches, and none of them are backed by reasoning.

in the end, no matter which way inferno flips, they are able to point to a certain set of posts to show they were right about inferno's slot.

This makes me wanna lynch Soup over him.

I do think AtE is uncharacteristic of him, but with alterier outside influences I can see it affecting him.

It has for me in past games.

I've never played in a game where scum offered themselves up like this, nor one where they give up like this saying just kill me where they flipped scum. The logic and the series of events doesn't look like scum motivation, if he was scum he would push harder on his scum picks and when giving up try to leave town in chaos.

Inferno isn't doing this, on the flip side I feel like Soup is trying to distance and play more transparent than Inferno has been.

Soup outright lied about having notes, it's not null either there is no reason to lie about something like that as town, scum does if it makes them look like a townie to hide in the crowd.

The main thing that does bug me with Inferno is the fact he is a role/flavor cop, when he have another cop. For all we know Zeke has an odd sanity, which is very likely if the role/flavor cop is the real cop though 90% of the time that role is scum aligned. Still feels like a null point but it does bug me having two cops, one being bulletproof on top of it though I beleive Zeke since it gets his result out there with us having to play guess work with his sanity, since he can't die via bullets.

Ryker I want those vids, they will be entertaining to me.

In Halloween yeah, I never read Time Travelers since people told me Ranmaru and his friend made d1 60 pages long or something.

And I'll be looking up those vids when I wake up.


I'm gonna go with this.

I'm not confident in a Soup lynch anymore, not with the claim he made. It's baffling to the point it has to be real. Gov/Mot combo it seems.

I'll get back to Inferno posts.

On the contrary for me.

I can see it as a possibility seeing as what he claimed as well as his more recent posts.

My town read on him was shriveled to put it in words.

I've read it all, I'll check with John later.

I wanna votre inferno but not without consolting him first, my read took a 180 with him.

Your case on Zeke, eh, I wasn't complelled to think he is scum from it, his claim makes me doubt it a bit and it would depend on a flip from Inferno.

@anyone voting Inferno
Explain:

Dang I got logic'd here.

I'm gonna rethink this.

I beleive so, since no hammer by Ryker so.

Vote: Inferno3044

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don't really have much to say about this post, but it'd be unfair for me to leave it out. it's got some substance i guess, but still not a lot. brings in a meta reason for his push on meadow, but is still ultimately hyprocritically accusing him of fluff. even this stuff still has fluff

Soup, Inferno is hard to see scum intent, I can see a poor read leading to what he did.

Soup's scum intent is crystal clear to me more so.

I think there is an indy in this game, I will not clarify on why because it is speculation alone.

BTW, got a vid of you vs Reflex's PT?



I've been working a 34-40 hour week, thanks giving, two parties, and other stuff. Johns but it was well worth it for the parties.

Case is your posting as lot of fluff when the game started, your pushing a lot more but I'm still seeing some of the fluff I saw when the game started and I first called you out.



Say wat.

BP cop?! Bull**** with legit sanity, your either insane or something else altogether.



k.



Gonna try and do more for you T-block. Especially you .



Should have said I was doing stuff and that I don't post on hydras from my phone. woops, just let it happen.

To be frank I don't care to persue you right now, at least over Inferno or Soup atm. I think your still on my list for the fluff and playing follow the leader which is unlike you, the WL side.

Vote: Soup

I still got my eye on you, don't go too far Moewz.

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so yeah... discussion go