UTrick'd2, OVER! Mafia wins!

[Kantrip]

I can't believe some people (besides Werekill, who is understandable) dislike my "jump" on Werekill.

Who was it again? If it was T-block, he's probably scum and RR would be correct.

Unvote, Vote: T-block

People told me a mass claim was dumb, but I still think it has merit. I dunno, I guess.

 

[Lore]

If you know what you're saying is right then you can say it now and back it up later. That's what I did yesterday with you. I said my piece, and THEN backed it up. Rereading ain't a bad thing, but you're using that as a way to STALL. I'd do the same thing... When I was noob scum... I'm just telling you that as town, at least freaking try, which is what makes Kantrip so obviously town in my eyes.

I think that this is just a playstyle difference, and we'll never come to an agreement on this point.

(For all reads from now on, I'll try to give a clear town/scum read instead of all null, even though I really do think many people are nully.)

Reskimmed (reREAD coming after school) Kantrip, and there's a couple things that I'll bring up after school today. They aren't things that I think are absolutely scummy, but clarification would be good, nonetheless.

Quickly reread Meadow since he doesn't have too much content (hooray for coma, in this situation. I didn't have D3 to read). I'm comfortable with calling him town for now, as stated earlier.

Reread Soup, and I'm cool enough with his play and claim to call him town for now.

Composer SCUM. He was reading the thread yesterday, but he still didn't post. Vote: Composer until he gets in here.

Zeke is town for now, I suppose. I'll reread him again, but I'd rather wait to see what his claim really is before actually fully deciding on my read for him, ya know? It's hanging over all his posts like a nasty shadow.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND there's the bell. I'll be back after school.

 

[Lovably Adorable Kanine]

Not sure about Composer or Werekill yet, but John gave me permission so,

Vote: T-Block

Also still want a mass claim.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Composer's not getting lynched. There's too much to have to call anybody null at this point, especially if we can get a read on inactive LAK. Kantrip get your vote off of TBlock. Werekill's scum. That's all for now. In school.

 

[Kantrip]

I'm not sold on the WK lynch yet.

 

[T-block]

Hydras are a part of the game if they show up, deal with it.

You gotta be blind as **** if you think I posting all fluff. Scum Acro came from his post on a read, I'll quote it if I need to.

pull up your past posts that have substance then

i bet you pretty much everything you bring up is about inferno, and i've already shown why your substance about inferno doesn't help us

I cared about those answer, don't put bull**** in my mouth.

soup never answered as far as i can tell, and you never brought it up again

And yes you are fitting scum meta. You ask question for different purposes as scum and it shows, in Housepets you asked Kantrip, myself and JTB questiont to build a case on us for a mislynch, your questions do no look at connections or play but rather place presumptions to get people to bandwagon on a case so people will form on a lynch.

I know you died in SMRPG N1 but your play still fits it solidly, you did the same thing when I called you out on it D1 when the game started there as well. Your not asking questions or making direct links on play, your forming mislynches on the info you gather. Look at your questions to Brosuke, it pretty much solidfied your intent there.

did... i really just read this paragraph?

i didn't ask jtb questions at all. he came in with a terrible post after his gambit and i built a case almost exclusively from that. i asked kantrip very few questions, but again the basis for his lynch was that TPK targetted one of us, and his comparison cop gambit on john that i twisted into looking scummy. i didn't ask you questions either - i just pushed hard that it was either you or me, and that it wasn't me, then town followed me onto it. the basis for your lynches wasn't set up by questions i asked at all. i used the circumstances that arose, and i certainly didn't need to provoke them.

i just skimmed your posts in smrpg and can't find any instance of you voicing suspicion of me for any reason. you're gonna have to help me find it.

how are you pulling things from so far up your ***? it's incredible.

my questions don't look at connections? are you ****ing kidding me? what about my asking soup to elaborate on his town read on you (which he still hasn't done)? what about my trying to understand why brosuke was so certain about inferno being town? and what the difference was between his opinion of zeke and werekill? i even asked ryker several times to elaborate on why he trusted meadow because i thought they could be indy pair.

back up your statement that i'm making presumptions in an attempt to form a bandwagon, because that's such a vague statement that i can't defend from it. you're either dumb, scum, or so paranoid after what happened in housepets that it's clouding your reasoning. i don't think you're that dumb, so if you're just being paranoid, take off the goddamn goggles and see that you're saying "he could be trying to lead mislynches, therefore he is" rather than saying "he could be trying to lead mislynches, but he could also be legitimately scumhunting". if you're scum then just keep going i guess.

 

[T-block]

meanwhile, LAK, you need to tell us what you think of a werekill lynch asap

 

[T-block]

Fair enough, haha. I look forward to it.

Hm. Reads.

You, I'm not sure about. T-Block's "case" seems ok, but I'm trying to decide if the inconsistency problems are because of the hydra or because you're scum. Null.

Gorf, his case against me may have several holes in it, but I do feel at least some scum hunting intent. I'm not sure if he's trying to be the "pusher" for toDay (like Ryker was yesterDay with Inferno) because he's determined town or crafty scum. Null until a reread lets me decide.

(I need more hours in a day for rereads! Haha.)

Kan, well, I didn't like his jump to me, but I'm saving my opinion about him until I have time to reread. If he's scummy I'll build a case, I suppose, but if not, I'll let him slide. Null until reread.

TB, I can feel scumhunting vibes from him. However, there are a few little things here and there that make me feel a bit uneasy about him; for example, the hypocriticalness that you mentioned. Null with a very, very slight touch of scumminess, but he's not on my priority list.

Where the hell is composer? Scum until he ****ing gets in here and posts.

Soup, he has some smelly bits here and there, but I think that he's got towny intent overall. I'll reread (like everyone else UGH) for a final decision, but for now, null leaning town.

(Yeah, I know I didn't mind his lynch yesterday, but I actually did glance back over his posts during the Night and didn't find much fault with them, to be honest.)

Zeke, Town for now due to his claim, even though my crumb-find was wrong. I'm still waiting to see what he comes out with, but for now, I'm fine with calling him town.

Meadow's in a coma, but I liked most of his earlier posts. His close interactions with Ryker made me a bit curious, but since it was two sided and Ryker flipped town, I can let it slide for now.

Did I miss anyone?

whyyy do you have so many null reads

if zeke hadn't claimed, what would you think of his slot? ie- has his play been scummy?

 

[T-block]

Also everyone need to post their thoughts on a mass claim, it's needed because kingmaker situation is possible tomarrow I think.

just ran the numbers. assuming two maf and one indy arsonist does make us lose assuming absolute worst case

it would be kinda dumb for town to be in lylo after one mislynch though, so i'm kinda thinking the mod is better than to let that happen.

plus, what do you expect to do with a mass claim? i think in a game like this it would be very hard to pin scum based on actions, so i think scum benefits a lot more.

i guess i retract that advocating a mass claim is scummy. i still think it's not the best idea, but i can see where the thought comes from.

Wait, that definition doesn't make sense. If we can't win, how can everyone decide who wins?

for example, one indy SK, one mafia, one town, day phase. town can work with either SK or mafia to lynch the other, so they can choose who can win between SK and mafia, but cannot win themselves

 

[T-block]

I can't believe some people (besides Werekill, who is understandable) dislike my "jump" on Werekill.

Who was it again? If it was T-block, he's probably scum and RR would be correct.

Unvote, Vote: T-block

People told me a mass claim was dumb, but I still think it has merit. I dunno, I guess.

quite the reaction there

how does that make me scum?

i recall from D2 that you had werekill as a town lean, and then you come in D3 with one of your first posts being a hop onto a wagon that had already taken off with "oh man how did i miss those tells?"

am i misunderstanding here?

 

[T-block]

Not sure about Composer or Werekill yet, but John gave me permission so,

Vote: T-Block

Also still want a mass claim.

well read what we have and take a stance goddammit

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Man I really should have studied for this business test oh wait I'm a baller and don't need to do work (at least not off the court)
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Vote Count​

Soup [0]
Werekill[2] - Gordito, Soup
Kantrip[0]
Composer[1] - Werekill
T-Block[2] - Kantrip, LAK
LAK[0]
Zeke The Moth[0]
Meadowsizzle[0]
Gordito [0]

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Not voting: Composer, Zeke The Moth, T-Block, Meadowsizzle

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch! Deadline for D3 is set at December 11th at 11:59 PM!

 

[Lovably Adorable Kanine]

Gonna need a doozy of a post for these posts, give me a sec.

 

[T-block]

looking forward to it

vote: Werekill

totally willing to place my vote on LAK atm too

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

L- 2

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Werekill. Still with no content. Still with no reads (except for Composer, which is just ********). LAK. Still scummy and a def second choice.

 

[Lore]

Composer's not getting lynched. There's too much to have to call anybody null at this point, especially if we can get a read on inactive LAK. Kantrip get your vote off of TBlock. Werekill's scum. That's all for now. In school.

I don't actually want a Composer lynch. I want him to freaking post. >_<

Werekill. Still with no content. Still with no reads (except for Composer, which is just ********). LAK. Still scummy and a def second choice.

Can you please freaking read? I directly called people town or scum in this post:

I think that this is just a playstyle difference, and we'll never come to an agreement on this point.

(For all reads from now on, I'll try to give a clear town/scum read instead of all null, even though I really do think many people are nully.)

Reskimmed (reREAD coming after school) Kantrip, and there's a couple things that I'll bring up after school today. They aren't things that I think are absolutely scummy, but clarification would be good, nonetheless.

Quickly reread Meadow since he doesn't have too much content (hooray for coma, in this situation. I didn't have D3 to read). I'm comfortable with calling him town for now, as stated earlier.

Reread Soup, and I'm cool enough with his play and claim to call him town for now.

Composer SCUM. He was reading the thread yesterday, but he still didn't post. Vote: Composer until he gets in here.

Zeke is town for now, I suppose. I'll reread him again, but I'd rather wait to see what his claim really is before actually fully deciding on my read for him, ya know? It's hanging over all his posts like a nasty shadow.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND there's the bell. I'll be back after school.

 

[Lore]

Reread Kantrip. Other than his sudden jump to me, he's town.

Kan, why did you suddenly jump to me without giving much reasoning of your own? You say that I'm towny D2, but then you just instantly went into "werekill is scum" mode today.

 

[Lore]

Kantrip, Lak, I want to hear clear reasons as to why you want a mass claim. I pretty much understand Lak's reasons already, but I want to hear more.

Reading Gorf and TB now.

 

[Lore]

Look at Gorf here, doing exactly what I did on D2:

[COLLAPSE="2 quick posts before his Inferno hate."]

Damn I gotta read pages of stuff and the game's only been open for hours?

I kinda lol'd at this exchange.

I'm not gonna think much into the disappearing bodies thing, a theory can be that it's a enter-scum-PR-here used to counter enter-town-PR-here. But who the eff cares at this point, it was a body that disappeared due to a lynch.

[/COLLAPSE]
[COLLAPSE="The first Inferno bit."]

Everyone, look at this. He doesn't like Inferno's dislike of Ryker, so he votes him. That's it. He calls him scum, and votes.

I also disliked Ryker for his quick hammering ways, but did I get a vote? Nope.

The f*** is this s***?

I don't like em.

You forgot the scum on your wagon.

Vote: Kantrip

loljk Unvote Vote: Inferno

[/COLLAPSE]

[COLLAPSE="The hiding (oh snap!)"]

Here, he sees Kantrip's reasoning and states his approval of it. Notice the fact that he has not given any reasoning of his own except for the not liking Ryker bit.

As the day moves on, he still doesn't give any of his own additional reason and continues to go behind everyone else's reasoning, as you'll soon see.

Kantrip's reasoning for voting Inferno pssh this ought to be a hoot.



Woah woah woah.

Reasoning?

Logic?

Things that I didn't even notice?

Confidence?

Making me crack a smile?

[/COLLAPSE]

[COLLAPSE="Random little bit"]

Only for you, since your abs are probably hard as steel.

I'll do it in a seperate post.



You're like catwoman; beautiful as hell, with a blackened heart. Still, the sex appeal trumps the evil.

He mentions Catwoman, and I'm not sure about this reference (in context, Inferno was asking if he should claim). This isn't scummy, but mind explaining it for me, Gorf?[/COLLAPSE]

[COLLAPSE="More hiding"]

Here, he once again goes with Kantrip's reasoning without giving any of his own.

Wow. I would never have thought you were this smart yesterDay. I didn't even want to mention my Soup suspicion yet, kinda wanted to let it ride until... maybe toMorrow? But just wow. You've earned mad respect from me, just today. And I bet some half naked pics wouldn't be too shabby either.

I like this post.

Unvote

...

LOL JK Vote: Inferno

...So we're lynching Inferno amirite?

Obtw Inferno it's all good to be bad at the game at this point in time, regardless of alignment. Look at Kuz, he sucked the d when he started playing, and now he's probably the best active player we have today. It's all about learning from the mistakes and getting better mang.

In here, he says that the AtE was bad (I think? Not sure about second paragraph) and says that Bro is too locked in to town Inferno. Notice the lack of extra reasoning, again, other than a bit of criticism of the AtE.

I feel like, Bro, you had a decent amount of fair points in your reread as to why Inferno is scum. But the feel that I'm getting is that you're too locked on your feel for townInferno. Like, a fair amount of the stuff posted are relatively moot, or can swing either way depending on how you look at it. Personally, TBlock's post on how he sees scumInferno is just more of the feel I get.

Plus, I'd see the AtE thing as much more of a townie PoV if it was feuled by the intent to grow as a player, so lynch me, rather than an I'm terrible at this game and it's not even worth it cuz people just think I'm dumb, so lynch me perspective... And... funny how he only got the latter mentality after insight?... Just my two cents.

[/collapse]

[COLLAPSE="FINALLY"]

Here, he finally gives reasoning. What took so long, Gorf?

So like...

I don't see a reason why we wouldn't lynch Inferno at this point. Even if there are a sum of people out there who don't like the idea of Infernoscum (GUYS IT'S LIKE ALMOST PAINFULLY OBVIOUS IN MY EYES), but he just seems like the most logical pro town lynch we have at this point. I tried rereading some to really get a feel for Inferno and the guy has MINIMAL trace of scumhunting. It seems like he's been trying to post enough to get it understood that he's in the game, but doing near nothing with his posts. He's a vegetable. And even noobtown at least try. Hell, now that he's gotten significantly less heat... HE'S BECOME THE VEGETABLE HE WAS IN THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME. He shows almost zero effort, and his suspicion of Soup near the beginning(ish) of the Day when suspicion of Inferno was being verbalized was ridiculous... I don't even know why I should have to explain this... And to you squares who think he's town, where else do you think a majority vote is going to be reached? Simply, we get the most information from his lynch, regardless of alignment, and we have two days left in the Day. Who else...

[/COLLAPSE]

F***ing. Dead.

Then this gem at the end after AtE.

As shown by this little collection of posts, Gorf was really doing exactly was I was (according to him) doing. However, the main difference is that he just latched onto Inferno via a vote, A NOW FLIPPED TOWN PLAYER, then never gave reasoning. Isn't that a bit bad?

If you're voting me because I "was hiding behind Brosuke," think about what this guy here was doing for a bit.

Gorf is now Null leaning scum for me. If he drops the "hiding behind Brosuke" argument and gives actual reasoning, then I'll think again.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

The fact that you (looked like you) tried in and of itself made me give you town points to start... But then I read.

Being intentionally subtle =/= sheeping or lacking of content. I did stuff aside from that, and I took a stance, albeit a wrong one, but still a legit stance. Notice I started becoming more vocal about the Inferno lynch as votes started coming off of em? That's because I felt it needed to be known that I thought he was scum, and that people should vote him... A.K.A convincing, which is needed in this game. You didn't do anything except give watered down maybe-town-but-ehh stances. And if you're scum, you'd probably think that having that as your opinion in text when he (most probably) got lynched would help you look townie by being right. But your mistake is in not doing anything, and as town, one tries to make sure that the town lynches mafia, not another townie (see: Brosuke). The "gem" at the end was because I found that hilarious. Why'd I find that hilarious? Cuz he probz looked in the newbie maf thread and saw that I was giving bullshiz advice to noobs saying that the objective in mafia is to live, whether town or scum. The catwoman thing, it's a posting restriction that you won't find out my role from because nobody would ever think to guess it (by the way I think you're hot). And that last line made me lol. First off, the fact that YOU CAN'T EVEN CALL ME SCUM. I did the exact same thing in Sonic Mafia (my first scum game), couldn't give a legit stance to save my life. And the last part, what, so your read on me is dictated by my evidence/read on you? Don't they call that OMGUS?

 

[Lore]

Stances wasn't the argument here. I was showing that you also could be argued to have hidden behind someone else's reasoning by stating a stance (any stance, null, scum, or town) without giving much reasoning then sticking by someone else's thoughts without giving more.

And yes, you became more vocal. However, there's a BIG difference between being emptily vocal without reasoning or giving out more reasoning as you become louder.

My read on you is not based on your evidence or read. It's based on the fact that you're calling me out on something that you essentially did yourself. Note the fact that you're only leaning scum; everything else that you've done is towny, so I can't fault you too much. I just find your reasoning to be very hypocritical.

 

[Kantrip]

I want a mass claim because there are a lot of roles in this set-up that players are informed about upon visit. We are nearing endgame, and a mis-lynch means bad things for us toDay. People who argue that a mass-claim is dumb in a U-pick can just not take it into account when it happens if they don't want to use information from it. If everyone agrees afterwards that we really get nothing but WIFOM out of it, we can move on from it and go back to analyzing play.

 

[T-block]

I want a mass claim because there are a lot of roles in this set-up that players are informed about upon visit. We are nearing endgame, and a mis-lynch means bad things for us toDay. People who argue that a mass-claim is dumb in a U-pick can just not take it into account when it happens if they don't want to use information from it. If everyone agrees afterwards that we really get nothing but WIFOM out of it, we can move on from it and go back to analyzing play.

what are you even saying

so i claim and my claim matches up with what i did last Night. can you actually conclude anything about my alignment based on that?

can we just ask scum to conveniently ignore the information then?

it's a bad idea not just because it's not all that useful. it's bad because it's not all that useful and it helps scum -_-

 

[Kantrip]

It forces everyone to commit to their role, and if scum says "Oh yeah I visit people at night and they get told that they feel like a tomato", we get people confirming that they have felt like a tomato.

What does this give us? It gives us who the person targeted. Then we take what they SAY their role does and see if it matches up with who they targeted. See how this can help us? Additionally, we can then decide on a collaborative decision on possibilities to do with certain night actions, and they will listen because we can confirm if they didn't.

 

[T-block]

Reread Kantrip. Other than his sudden jump to me, he's town.

Kan, why did you suddenly jump to me without giving much reasoning of your own? You say that I'm towny D2, but then you just instantly went into "werekill is scum" mode today.

can you point to posts that make you think kantrip is town?

what about his play has been so townie that a sudden jump on you is not enough to sway your read?

 

[T-block]

It forces everyone to commit to their role, and if scum says "Oh yeah I visit people at night and they get told that they feel like a tomato", we get people confirming that they have felt like a tomato.

What does this give us? It gives us who the person targeted. Then we take what they SAY their role does and see if it matches up with who they targeted. See how this can help us? Additionally, we can then decide on a collaborative decision on possibilities to do with certain night actions, and they will listen because we can confirm if they didn't.

and what happens when making someone feel like a tomato does absolutely nothing?

what happens if we find out who made me deaf at the start of the Day, which as far as i can tell, has no real effect on the game? is he scum for making me deaf? is he cleared because he can prove his ability? what if making someone feel like a tomato does absolutely nothing? how does that help us?

meanwhile, those with roles who actually do something are exposed

 

[T-block]

quite the reaction there

how does that make me scum?

i recall from D2 that you had werekill as a town lean, and then you come in D3 with one of your first posts being a hop onto a wagon that had already taken off with "oh man how did i miss those tells?"

am i misunderstanding here?

can i assume we're on the same page on this issue then, kantrip?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Massclaim is a bad idea.

 

[Kantrip]

We're not on the same page. I didn't intend to lynch WK, nor did I find him scummy. Pressure? He was a town LEAN, people were pressuring him. I got nothing out of it because all that happened is "I don't like this jump".

 

[Lore]

Hm. I'm trying to think about how much of a scum tell being hypocritical in a push is... I'll get back to Gorf later with my opinion on that.

@TB: Will reply to about- Kan stuff later, I'm tired.

TB's the last on my to-read list, will do so tomorrow.

@Kan: That was pressure? You seemed ready to lynch.

 

[Kantrip]

I wasn't. It was start of day.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Hm. I'm trying to think about how much of a scum tell being hypocritical in a push is... I'll get back to Gorf later with my opinion on that.

OH OH OH who was hypocritical I wanna-

Oh... you still think I was. LOL!

@Kan: That was pressure? You seemed ready to lynch.

... At the beginning of the Day?

 

[Lore]

Checking in before bed.

@Kan: Really? You seemed pretty ready to lynch.

OH OH OH who was hypocritical I wanna-

Oh... you still think I was. LOL!



... At the beginning of the Day?

Yeah, I still think you were. Why weren't you?

And yes, you seemed like it too. Are you saying here that you WEREN'T fully ready to lynch me?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

No, I had been saying that I wanted to look more into LAK, and even still I'm not FULLY ready to lynch you, I just wanna make sure e'ryone has it clear that you're the lynch.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

V/LA for a couple days.

For the past few nights I've been having, I guess, withdrawls from depression, where I fall back into my depressive state and start thinking about... things (about sixish months ago I had cut myself), and my parents found out, so I'm going to be getting tested AT LEAST a good portion of today. I'm sorry for any possible inconvenience but I'll try to get on as often as I can.

 

[T-block]

We're not on the same page. I didn't intend to lynch WK, nor did I find him scummy. Pressure? He was a town LEAN, people were pressuring him. I got nothing out of it because all that happened is "I don't like this jump".

then again with the "i was just pressuring" backdoor. i've made my thoughts on this clear to you before, so i know you know where i'm coming from.

so how does that make me scum again?

stance on werekill now then? a lot has developed since then.

stance on LAK as well would be cool.

and if they're both town, tell us which one you would rather lynch.

dropping the mass claim discussion... i think i was thinking too shallowly, and i don't think you're scummy for pushing it. i still think it's a bad idea though.

 

[T-block]

whyyy do you have so many null reads

if zeke hadn't claimed, what would you think of his slot? ie- has his play been scummy?

werekill i would like clarification on this zeke stance kthx

 

[T-block]

hereby announcing that studying for finals starts now, so my activity will drop

LAK still needs to give his "doozy" of a post

soup needs to substantiate his town read, and the content he uses to justify that read damn well better be from before post 771; he should also tell us whether he still thinks lak is town now

 

[Kantrip]

I really need to read. This weekend I promise I'll get to that. My play will be over then.