UTrick'd2, OVER! Mafia wins!

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Inferno use your time if you're living to be more solid with your reads if you are town, i tend to not do this myself as i know what to look for after play 18+ games on this site, but right now your reads list is just things townies would do like your meadow read is incredibly dim, is there anything special about him or anything else that clicks with you as town? have you been reading his intent?

 

[Meadowsizzle]

I really want to unvote so that I can challenge Ryker to the shot but I'm unsure if it's worth making this game more shenanigans than already..

 

[Lovably Adorable Kanine]

Might be putting him at L-1 in a sec.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Not before Tblock explains his vote.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

remember when Ryker gave Gorf the alley-op in pokemafia?

good times.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

man my phone is terrible.
and yeah nobody put him at L-1 Yet

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Tblock, you've seen this thread countless times. I've given you ample opportunity to explain yourself and now you JUST LOG OFF WITHOUT SAYING ANYTHING?

 

[Lovably Adorable Kanine]

Not before Tblock explains his vote.

We will wait of course.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

@anyone voting Inferno
Explain:

Look at Zekes play then if youre looking past claims.

Also, Inferno?

If indy - why relation with Acro? Overall unlikely looking at his play. Why confirm Rykers power for example.

If scum lying about being tracker - he'd be ****ed because I doubt scum would have Acropower and a roleblocker (except if its the same but eh), so he cant use the roleblocker excuse. He wouldnt use tracker as claim.
Also, Zeke lready claimed cop here. Which scum would fake tracker if theres a cop?

If scum tracker - why would he track ryker if he knows he gets Acro power(assuming it only works on self, even then ryker would probs selftarget)? A scum would track someone else to get proof of their trackerbeing.

His claim looks waterproof to me. Can we stop lynching inferno now and cast doubt on zeke?

[collapse="Inferno's defensive case"]

From this we can conclude that Indy is a no-no.


This is also fairly definitive.


So we arrive at this final station.

Ryker, let's bring your post up, I'll cut it into pieces and respond:


I don't really see where you're going with this/what you're answering.


Okay... I'm having a hard time translating thoughts to words here, but let me try.
You say that
1. Inferno is scumTracker
2. He tracked someone else
3. He says he tracked you as a way to hide his other result, while tying in with Inferno's play
Right?

Well I want to fall back on the following then (and I'm just following what basic scum logic would be according to me):
ScumFerno thinks:
"Mhm. I'm going to claim Tracker, as it's a role that's usually a town staple(his words), so it should carry me somewhere. Now, the best way to verify this, is to track someone and post his accurate result. I know Ryker got Acro's power, and knowing Ryker, he's possibly using it on himself. I should best not track Ryker, allowing me to certainly post results."

Is what I would think.
What I think you're saying here is:
ScumFerno thinks:
"Mhm. I'm going to claim Tracker, as it's a role that's usually a town staple (his words), so it should carry me somewhere. Now, I'll just track someone of interest to me, knowing that Ryker will use the power on himself. If he claims that he did, I can say I targetted Ryker, to tie in with my play and hide my other result!"
I also don't like the fact that that reasoning would confirm your power.
That's not something to scums advantage in any way according to me. Agree?

Assuming you target yourself all comes down to being a gambit. What if you wouldn't target yourself, and he tracked someone else? That's really when he has to talk about not tracking you, while basically hating you all D1.




Above.


Good point. Yes, I agree that that is peculiar. I can write it off as a Town just being really convinced that Tracker is the town role, but that seems off to me. Point taken, yet there is not enough counterweight.
[/collapse]

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Meh ****ed up the quote link
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13736901&postcount=1280

 

[T-block]

i was on my phone buddy

what is there to explain? should be pretty obvious why i don't like your play, if you're talking about my vote on you.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Meadow, can you explain to me why Tblock dislikes my play? I mean, it's pretty obvious.
While at it, why don't you point out where you agree and disagree with him, while also providing reasoning.

 

[T-block]

umm... i have stuff typed up

do you want me to post it, or are you actually looking for meadow to answer

 

[Meadowsizzle]

I can't explain other people's reasoning, that's up for him. I guess he doesn't like that you're defending Inferno.

I'll disagree, it's nice for someone to play devil's advocate and it feels genuine.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Thanks Meadow.

Tblock, thats up to you. I do have a question for you though...
Why would a scum have DUTCH notes about Zeke, considering every alignment?
I do add that I hate to point this out myself, but w/e

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Lol preview post adds phonesmileys

 

[T-block]

unvote

Look I'd be dumb to do this

PlayerX: "Okay so it's not Inferno. Who is it then?"
Xonar: "lol dunno :3 :3"

suggesting you're pushing zeke just to keep up your appearances. this comes in response to my questioning you about your push on zeke. you are incredibly quick to back off and say it's just to generate content, and to throw out the above quote, which suggests to me that you don't even think zeke is that scummy. you don't use "zeke is scummy" as a justification for your push... you use "i had nobody else to offer up as an alternative to inferno".

i'm feeling a contradiction between your motivation behind this push. 1235, 1246 are two posts that suggest you really do think zeke is scummy, yet you're quick to say you're just trying to create content in 1286 after i question you. or am i misunderstanding something here?

you claimed zeke had no town intent, but dismissed the posts where he shows town intent in 1295, saying that scum is bound to have good posts too. what if i said "i never lie", and then someone points out three instances of me lying, then i say "oh, those don't count"? is that really fair? similar idea.

then i ask why werekill isn't guilty of what raziek's supposedly doing, and i never did get a satisfactory answer to that

that's why my vote was on you brosuke. still think inferno needs to die though, as i said.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Then its simply a miscommunication. Ill explain tomrrow when Im not on my phone.

 

[Inferno3044]

Ryker you want Uncle lynched? Yes?? THEN YOU DO WORK!!

/Uncle

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Although personally I wouldn't wanna die (because I like living),

F***ing. Dead.

 

[Lovably Adorable Kanine]

@anyone voting Inferno
Explain:

[collapse="Inferno's defensive case"]

From this we can conclude that Indy is a no-no.


This is also fairly definitive.


So we arrive at this final station.

Ryker, let's bring your post up, I'll cut it into pieces and respond:


I don't really see where you're going with this/what you're answering.


Okay... I'm having a hard time translating thoughts to words here, but let me try.
You say that
1. Inferno is scumTracker
2. He tracked someone else
3. He says he tracked you as a way to hide his other result, while tying in with Inferno's play
Right?

Well I want to fall back on the following then (and I'm just following what basic scum logic would be according to me):
ScumFerno thinks:
"Mhm. I'm going to claim Tracker, as it's a role that's usually a town staple(his words), so it should carry me somewhere. Now, the best way to verify this, is to track someone and post his accurate result. I know Ryker got Acro's power, and knowing Ryker, he's possibly using it on himself. I should best not track Ryker, allowing me to certainly post results."

Is what I would think.
What I think you're saying here is:
ScumFerno thinks:
"Mhm. I'm going to claim Tracker, as it's a role that's usually a town staple (his words), so it should carry me somewhere. Now, I'll just track someone of interest to me, knowing that Ryker will use the power on himself. If he claims that he did, I can say I targetted Ryker, to tie in with my play and hide my other result!"
I also don't like the fact that that reasoning would confirm your power.
That's not something to scums advantage in any way according to me. Agree?

Assuming you target yourself all comes down to being a gambit. What if you wouldn't target yourself, and he tracked someone else? That's really when he has to talk about not tracking you, while basically hating you all D1.




Above.


Good point. Yes, I agree that that is peculiar. I can write it off as a Town just being really convinced that Tracker is the town role, but that seems off to me. Point taken, yet there is not enough counterweight.
[/collapse]

Dang I got logic'd here.

I'm gonna rethink this.

 

[Lore]

Woah, Inferno is back on the chopping block. I'm still thinking he's town, so I'm still against this lynch.

I saw the same thing that Brosuke saw, so I'm backing off of Moth.

I don't like T-Block bantering with Brosuke about me, but that might just be an OMGUS streak rearing it's head in me. It seemed a bit TvT, but I'm really not sure. Any thoughts, anyone?

Also:

So like...

I don't see a reason why we wouldn't lynch Inferno at this point. Even if there are a sum of people out there who don't like the idea of Infernoscum (GUYS IT'S LIKE ALMOST PAINFULLY OBVIOUS IN MY EYES), but he just seems like the most logical pro town lynch we have at this point. I tried rereading some to really get a feel for Inferno and the guy has MINIMAL trace of scumhunting. It seems like he's been trying to post enough to get it understood that he's in the game, but doing near nothing with his posts. He's a vegetable. And even noobtown at least try. Hell, now that he's gotten significantly less heat... HE'S BECOME THE VEGETABLE HE WAS IN THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME. He shows almost zero effort, and his suspicion of Soup near the beginning(ish) of the Day when suspicion of Inferno was being verbalized was ridiculous... I don't even know why I should have to explain this... And to you squares who think he's town, where else do you think a majority vote is going to be reached? Simply, we get the most information from his lynch, regardless of alignment, and we have two days left in the Day. Who else...

This post is gonna look bad if Bro and I are right and Inferno flips town.

What information do we get, "regardless of alignment?" All you say here is that he's obvscum and acting like a vegetable.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

The information we get is that he's town and what player X's intent could possibly have been for going after townInferno bla bla bla. The dude was the main center of scumminess.

 

[DtJ Composer]

The devil wears prodded.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Ryker you want Uncle lynched? Yes?? THEN YOU DO WORK!!

/Uncle

I'll tell you EXACTLY what I'm doing to get you lynched as soon as you are.

 

[Inferno3044]

Composer give us some of your reads.

 

[Lore]

The information we get is that he's town and what player X's intent could possibly have been for going after townInferno bla bla bla. The dude was the main center of scumminess.

But WHO looks worse after town Inferno? That's my question for you.

 

[Lore]

Inferno, you never answered my question about whether or not Uncle is the Uncle from Jackie Chan Adventures.

 

[Zeke the Moth]

It was pretty obvious from the video he linked.

So, yes.

 

[Inferno3044]

Inferno, you never answered my question about whether or not Uncle is the Uncle from Jackie Chan Adventures.

I am that Uncle. I've crumbed it when asking ryker about whether his smog power can only target himself (I said one more thing beforee asking him that).

 

[Lovably Adorable Kanine]

Ryker opinion on Brosuke's #1369?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

WRONG.

Caps

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

T - Suggesting you're pushing Zeke just to keep up your appearances. You are incredibly quick to back off and say it's just to generate content.

X - Well, to give the whole story...
After Soup turned out to be pretty Towny, I was honestly at a loss. At that point, I was looking towards an alternative. With both Inferno and Soup as Town, I don't want to sit around and do nothing. Actively scum-hunt and generate content, that's important to me at certain points. In this case, it would definitely be an anti-town thing to only refute the case against Inferno, yet do nothing else. Sure, you're laying down some connections, but you're not generating a lot, you're mostly just shooting down.
Being at this loss for content, I turned to the first thing that has been bothering me, Zeke's claim and play. The underlying thought was "I need to generate content" and coupled with that was "Zeke is acting anti-town". After doing the brain dump, Ryker agreed on Zeke, thus confirming some of my suspicions.
Now if you want to generate good reactions from the person you're pressuring, it's not good to just say "hey guys I'm generating content", it's better to give the impression that you're really after that person. Thus why I, chaotic as I mentally am, flip-flopped between the two, trying to be transparent yet not transparent enough to reduce pressure.

T - You claimed Zeke had no town intent, but dismissed the posts where he shows town intent in 1295, saying that scum is bound to have good posts too. What if I said "I never lie", and then someone points out three instances of me lying, then i say "oh, those don't count"? is that really fair? similar idea.

X - Saying "I never lie" is pretty much incomparable. Yes there was town intent there, but I honestly think that even scum comes off as town (or at least not anti-town) most of the time, else it'd be pretty darn easy to catch them, right?

T - Then I ask why Werekill isn't guilty of what Raziek's supposedly doing, and I never did get a satisfactory answer to that.

X - Because that question kinda had me at a loss for thoughts. I don't see anything between Werekills and Zeke's play that seems comparable to me. Like I said, I'd love you to show me how it IS comparable, because it's hard to search based on a premise that I don't even think is true.


Note: Zeke is town for me atm

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

WRONG.

Caps

 

[T-block]

But Brosuke, you still admitted that it was just to generate content very early. This is how it went:

Brosuke presents his case.

Zeke makes this post:

I am profoundly disappointed in you sir.

How is it that one of your analytical thinking spots the ONE AND ONLY flavor crumb that wasn't batman-related, yet somehow doesn't see the motivation here?

You've put us in a bad position now because if you push this further you're going to undermine our goals here. I advise you cease and desist, lest we end up useless as a result of your bad case.

You even had MORE of our posts in good/average than bad, so idk what the damn point of cataloging them was.

Brosuke makes this post:

The main point here is actively creating content.

Zeke made ONE post after your case before you posted saying you were just creating content. Did you really put all that effort into the case just to be satisifed with this one post by Zeke?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

But Brosuke, you still admitted that it was just to generate content very early. This is how it went:

Brosuke presents his case.

Zeke makes this post:

I am profoundly disappointed in you sir.

How is it that one of your analytical thinking spots the ONE AND ONLY flavor crumb that wasn't batman-related, yet somehow doesn't see the motivation here?

You've put us in a bad position now because if you push this further you're going to undermine our goals here. I advise you cease and desist, lest we end up useless as a result of your bad case.

You even had MORE of our posts in good/average than bad, so idk what the damn point of cataloging them was.

Brosuke makes this post:

I'll drop you if you start doing something, deal?

Zeke made ONE post after your case before you posted saying you were just creating content. Did you really put all that effort into the case just to be satisifed with this one post by Zeke?

Fixed that for you. Should make some more sense now.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

And there's also this.

No, I'm not backtracking on finding him scummy. And yes, I'd much rather have Ryker with his cop power. I'm not certain he's scum, I'm saying he's scummy, or at the very least anti-town.

That said, I see where you're coming from.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Also, @Glyphs mod question
I would object to shortening days.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Don't care doing it anyway nerd

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

(maybe not we'll see)