UTrick'd2, OVER! Mafia wins!

[Lore]

Inferno, I'm sorry you got lynched. Apparently people can't see a townie when he's being a townie. >_>

You played a bit badly at times, but it was mostly just dumb mistakes of reasoning (Not that you're dumb; the mistakes were), not scummy behavior.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

A REACH HAS BEEN HAMMERED

IT IS NOWlTWILIGHT UNTIL I FEEL LIKE IT SHOULDN'T BE (PROBABLY LIKE MIDNIGHT TONIGHT)

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Also, if you have a night action start planning NOW so we can move onto the next day as fast as possible

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

You nerds

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

contemplating benefits of saving inferno.

Pros -
Obvious town
I get to use my abilities
Some use of his role

medium -
a tad scummy

Cons -
No lynch
now has a target painted on his back

Cmon, i know we want to no lynch but lynching an obvious town at this point isn't going to do anything, and we can benefit from my power and inferno's, think of the positives about it rather then getting your panties in a bunch over a no lynch.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I would also like to point out we can get connections and reads of the alike with inferno around too, i'm sure he will be more willing to give content if i save him on top of us not wasting a mislynch, i truly don't see the benefit of this going through and if you want to bring up the numbers game look me in the eye and say Inferno is scum at this point.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

You get to use your abilities on what exactly? Two claims that we don't trust? One that we do (me) and it wouldn't matter? A random shot in the dark at the roles of two people we do trust?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

i'm willing to collaborate and talk about where i'm using my powers and who on, if it's a problem.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I would also like to point out we can get connections and reads of the alike with inferno around too, i'm sure he will be more willing to give content if i save him on top of us not wasting a mislynch, i truly don't see the benefit of this going through and if you want to bring up the numbers game look me in the eye and say Inferno is scum at this point.

WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT? HE HASN'T BEEN GIVING MORE CONTENT AND WE DRAGGED THIS OUT ALL THE WAY TO DEADLINE!

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

i'm willing to collaborate and talk about where i'm using my powers and who on, if it's a problem.

No, it's not a problem. It's just not a positive, so it can go off your list. It's like using the jailer role on night zero. You have no idea if you're getting what you want out of it.

The problem is that, again, Inferno is the scummiest player in the game right now, hands down. The people who have voted him will vote him again and he will die the next time. You will literally be setting us back a day phase with this.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

play the game of proving me wrong Ryker, and weigh in on the benefit of inferno getting lynched besides a numbers game and you yourself gaining his power.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

play the game of proving me wrong Ryker, and weigh in on the benefit of inferno getting lynched besides a numbers game and you yourself gaining his power.

The benefit is his ****ing flip. Are you ********? No, the burden of proof is most certainly on you because after you do this, you have to step out and convince the people voting him now that he isn't still scum. Brosuke's obviously not able to do it and Inferno is unwilling to do anything but dig his grave deeper and hide in Xonar's shadow. Oh, and take pot shots at me.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Talk to me Soup. I've only got so long.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

He's probably going to flip what he says, it's just another dead townie, unless you are still set on him being scum, which this being very, very low at this point.
And yeah, i'll take that burden of proof, Brosuke certainly has and there's a shimmer that this latest beatdown will motivate him to do better the next day; did i mention his obv townieness yet?
and that's solidy understandable, i see your argument fairly and it's all become a trust factor on the willingness of inferno, i agree he's not very helpful and we had to drag oh so much out of him and yet we still don't have anything solid. that i understand. i've been in these moments myself.

I honestly want Inferno to use this time to prove to me why he should live, i'm willing to have that burden if he convinces me, but if he doesn't i won't touch a thing.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm also dissapointed these things couldn't have been done before twilight, i'm incredibly dissapointed that everyone just walked in and let inferno die, and inferno himself was ok with this.

Inferno, if you wanna live and redeem yourself, you have until midnight to do so.

 

[T-block]

soup your ability has already been exposed

we can't trust a word he says even post-hammer because if he's scum you can bet he is maintaining the apperance just waiting for you to consider using your ability

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

He's probably going to flip what he says, it's just another dead townie, unless you are still set on him being scum, which this being very, very low at this point.

Fine, let's say you're right. We MOVE ON! That won't happen if he doesn't die. Best case scenario, you manage to change our minds and we still spend half the day phase discussing it. Fair warning, you won't be changing my mind.

And yeah, i'll take that burden of proof, Brosuke certainly has and there's a shimmer that this latest beatdown will motivate him to do better the next day; did i mention his obv townieness yet?

Shimmer of hope. That's what you're banking on is a shimmer of hope? That's not how this works.

and that's solidy understandable, i see your argument fairly and it's all become a trust factor on the willingness of inferno, i agree he's not very helpful and we had to drag oh so much out of him and yet we still don't have anything solid. that i understand. i've been in these moments myself.

We haven't been ABLE to drag "oh so much" out of him. He isn't doing jack **** and we have no sign that that's going to improve.

I honestly want Inferno to use this time to prove to me why he should live, i'm willing to have that burden if he convinces me, but if he doesn't i won't touch a thing.

Don't you dare do **** without explaining why what he's done is good enough and getting an appropriate response. Do NOT cite any AtE or any of his self meta WIFOM.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm not going to be easy on him, i want him to work for it, it's what i planned to do anyways.

he didn't show that even on his lynch, he didn't care or do anything, perhaps after getting beatdown he'll care.

i don't want a plea or a will giving examples, i want him pushing and directing his reads with solid evidence, rather then silly comments as "uhh i think this guy is town because he is asking questions lol"

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

soup your ability has already been exposed

we can't trust a word he says even post-hammer because if he's scum you can bet he is maintaining the apperance just waiting for you to consider using your ability

This.

Soup, do you remember me *****ing because Ranmaru had a power that overruled what town wanted to do and I was ****ing afraid he was going to pull the trigger? You're in the same position and, even if you're right, you are setting town back.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I'm not going to be easy on him, i want him to work for it, it's what i planned to do anyways.

he didn't show that even on his lynch, he didn't care or do anything, perhaps after getting beatdown he'll care.

i don't want a plea or a will giving examples, i want him pushing and directing his reads with solid evidence, rather then silly comments as "uhh i think this guy is town because he is asking questions lol"

Then you've already sentenced him to death or you're going to let him off being too lenient. There's no right way for that to work. You need time to see if he's just playing to you or if he's going to continue doing work. What you have is today to reference where he didn't.

Soup, if you do this, I'll hate you forever.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

it all depends on Inferno, i have his life in my hands.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Yeah, so? You also have the next day in your hands and I don't want it there because you apparently don't see what you're doing here.

Mislynch or no, we are in a hella advantageous position after this flip. My town list is full of players who can actually do ****. By saving Inferno, you are going to allow scum (regardless of Inferno's alignment) to work on that list of players and keep question marks like Inferno in the game. We are ahead of them right now. Should you be right, and Inferno is town, we are still well on our way to forging an end game where scum have nowhere to turn to because all that will be left will be clears and strong town reads (i.e. Meadow).

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

A smart player like yourself should understand what i'm getting at here now, but i don't feel the need to explain it, i'm going to leave it as simply Inferno's job.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

No. I see what you're getting at and you need to get off it.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Soup, you may be the most frustrating player I've ever had to deal with in mafia. More so than Cello_Marl. More so than Shinarouji. More so than even Tizoc.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Just
leave it be.

I'm agreeing wtih your points, they make solid sense, and tbh they are weigh more than my measly trust factor ones.

let inferno do his thing, if he doesn't show up i'm not going to do anything, and trust me he really has to show up.

 

[Lore]

soup your ability has already been exposed

we can't trust a word he says even post-hammer because if he's scum you can bet he is maintaining the apperance just waiting for you to consider using your ability

Eh, while this is true enough, Inferno had towny posts before Soup's claim. I personally think he's town and that we don't have to worry about the problem you just said, but it's up to Soup as to whether or not to save him.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

No, it's not up to me.
it's up to inferno.
certainly even the most dim person in mafia can see Inferno's townieness, but he has to sell it first.

i don't want anymore discussion about this until inferno does something, he has until midnight.
discussion dismissed.

 

[Inferno3044]

I'll be honest. I'm not the best person to use that ability on. It's a one-shot right? Save it.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Strike one.
you have to hit it out of the park, stop this incessant AtE and feeling sorry for yourself and get a grip.

i've been through worse, i've been lynched on even worse terms, feeling sorry about yourself and your incompetence gets nothing done, you wanna play this game?

get back on the plate and try again.

i'm not repeating myself.

 

[T-block]

watching this kinda makes me wanna vomit

 

[Inferno3044]

Upon my flip, a question mark will be erased from the group and you town can actually do something productive. End of discussion. Shoutouts to Glyph for being a very fun mod. I leave you all with a fortune cookie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0znoyLr7qAw#t=32s

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

watching this kinda makes me wanna vomit

DID I MENTION I LOVE YOU

caps

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Nope, you're not worth saving.

die.

 

[Inferno3044]

I didn't plan on being saved. The most towny action would be to flip. There's no guarantee that if you stop my lynch, tomorrow won't just be a repeat. Letting that happen is anti-town.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

not even a ****ty baseball analogy could make this better, i'm pretty much done here until tommorow, i know what i'm doing, i thought perhaps there was some hope for you but i guess not, enjoy being a loser.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

No reason to be a douche at this time. Believe me, I'm an expert.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I am distraught with dissapointment, that's all.

 

[Inferno3044]

I told you my reasoning. If you save me, we are just gonna have a repeat of today with one person down. Don't call me a loser. Just say I'm taking one for the team.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Then take one for the team and give something more than that piss-poor read list you gave, we've been playing this game for 2 weeks now and all your reads are more shallow than a kiddy pool, i can't even fathom it being that shallow, actually.

writing this makes me want to hurt myself, because you're just gonna mope and cry any other way.

i could be soft and say "you did your best" but i could also say "hey champ, you did your best but don't you think you could do better?" you're not a bad player, you just lack motivation.