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Maybe because he's BP? maybe because he believes he's okay with outting it for some other reasons?
i think you're dwelling on the claim too much, even though it changed my opinion of him too, i'd rather leave it alone and see what information he can give us, as i planned to give him immunity to roleblocks toNight.
I want some other peoples opinion on this. I just love Ryker's manly wordmuscles to comfort me. Same for Meadow's soft lap to lie on and forget all worries yeaaaaaa
Don't care about the rest's opinion of my thoughts in the end tbh
I could've sworn I just posted in here. I have this really bad habit of thinking I've posted and then just exiting the page I guess. Anyways, I don't see any of the 3 claims as particularly relevant.
Inferno's role is really unindicative of alignment. It's just a flavor/tracker combination thing of sorts, there's no reason scum can't have that.
Soup's claim is weird. I can agree with Ryker's notion that scum has no business claiming governor/motivator/motivator stupidity party time or whatever his role is. At the same time I find it plausible that he doesn't actually have the motivator part of the role. Proving that you can prevent someone from being roleblocked is really easy for scum. Especially if Meadowsizzle is right in calling Acrostic as the roleblocker. There's also the possibility that Soup is being Soup and is pulling some horrendous gambit regardless of alignmentg. Never count that out.
There's also some odd logistics going on with his claim. The motivator part kind of implies that there is/was indeed a roleblocker in this set-up. How would a sequence where Soup targets Player A, and then Player A targets the Roleblocker, and Roleblocker is targeting Player A work? Player A would be able to target Roleblocker through his Roleblock, making the Roleblock never fail, making Player A get roleblocked (but then he never targeted the roleblocker)! And also the night action resolution on this whole situation is ten kinds of hell as well. I can't even begin to figure out how that works. In short Soup's claim is a hellhole for night action logic and I'd prefer not to think too much about it. It's also just possible that Glyph has thought this out or he just never planned it in general and is now like "oh god damnit."
I don't particularly understand the motives for Zeke's claim either. I have a couple ideas but I have no business sharing those. This is just another claim I'd want to look past and look at the player.
And that's it for me talking about claims. Brosuke. Perhaps I'm giving him too much lenience but Zeke is still on my good side, all claim speculation aside.
Look at Zekes play then if youre looking past claims.
Also, Inferno?
If indy - why relation with Acro? Overall unlikely looking at his play. Why confirm Rykers power for example.
If scum lying about being tracker - he'd be ****ed because I doubt scum would have Acropower and a roleblocker (except if its the same but eh), so he cant use the roleblocker excuse. He wouldnt use tracker as claim.
Also, Zeke lready claimed cop here. Which scum would fake tracker if theres a cop?
If scum tracker - why would he track ryker if he knows he gets Acro power(assuming it only works on self, even then ryker would probs selftarget)? A scum would track someone else to get proof of their trackerbeing.
His claim looks waterproof to me. Can we stop lynching inferno now and cast doubt on zeke?
Also ive been scumgov before (and could ride it out to a win) and in no way giving soup a pass, especially with a roleblockvariant dead already thus making his second part null. But lets leave him for now
Im talking about anything today. Yeah we got scum D1 and ill give him credit, but he wants me dead and isn't doing work. Also as long as you guys have somewhere to go then at least my lynch wont be in vain. Just in case ryker gets trigger happy again ill put a couple of my reads:
Brosuke and LAK are both town due to their reaction to ryker's quick hammer.
Ask ryker what power he gets from me and see if its related to mine. Note: meadow called acrostic a RB based on the power ryker got.
Shed some light on some of the lesser known slots (composer, tblock, LAK). Wouldn't be surprised if scum is hiding in the background.
Kantrip has had some sheepish moments but he has taken some charge. He's null.
We have time to move things around. Question for everyone. Let's assume that both soup and myself are town. Who would you try to make today's play? Personally I would think of composer. He replaced joey(?) who really gave no content and has still given nothing. He openly admited to not trying to read the thread and its not even long (seriously, D1 of MM was longer than where we are now and it was full of walls of text) plus he has openly admitted to sheeping his way around. At the very least I want information out of him.
Maybe because he's BP? maybe because he believes he's okay with outting it for some other reasons?
i think you're dwelling on the claim too much, even though it changed my opinion of him too, i'd rather leave it alone and see what information he can give us, as i planned to give him immunity to roleblocks toNight.
I could've sworn I just posted in here. I have this really bad habit of thinking I've posted and then just exiting the page I guess. Anyways, I don't see any of the 3 claims as particularly relevant.
Inferno's role is really unindicative of alignment. It's just a flavor/tracker combination thing of sorts, there's no reason scum can't have that.
Soup's claim is weird. I can agree with Ryker's notion that scum has no business claiming governor/motivator/motivator stupidity party time or whatever his role is. At the same time I find it plausible that he doesn't actually have the motivator part of the role. Proving that you can prevent someone from being roleblocked is really easy for scum. Especially if Meadowsizzle is right in calling Acrostic as the roleblocker. There's also the possibility that Soup is being Soup and is pulling some horrendous gambit regardless of alignmentg. Never count that out.
There's also some odd logistics going on with his claim. The motivator part kind of implies that there is/was indeed a roleblocker in this set-up. How would a sequence where Soup targets Player A, and then Player A targets the Roleblocker, and Roleblocker is targeting Player A work? Player A would be able to target Roleblocker through his Roleblock, making the Roleblock never fail, making Player A get roleblocked (but then he never targeted the roleblocker)! And also the night action resolution on this whole situation is ten kinds of hell as well. I can't even begin to figure out how that works. In short Soup's claim is a hellhole for night action logic and I'd prefer not to think too much about it. It's also just possible that Glyph has thought this out or he just never planned it in general and is now like "oh god damnit."
I don't particularly understand the motives for Zeke's claim either. I have a couple ideas but I have no business sharing those. This is just another claim I'd want to look past and look at the player.
And that's it for me talking about claims. Brosuke. Perhaps I'm giving him too much lenience but Zeke is still on my good side, all claim speculation aside.
With one scum down, Soup has to be able to give a player the ability to point at someone or he's exposed. This can be tested later if need be. Odds are good that GLife never thought of it or that you are forgetting that the role I got caused actions to fail when the player I chose was targeted which you simply decide which one trumps.
Look at Zekes play then if youre looking past claims.
Also, Inferno?
If indy - why relation with Acro? Overall unlikely looking at his play. Why confirm Rykers power for example.
If scum lying about being tracker - he'd be ****ed because I doubt scum would have Acropower and a roleblocker (except if its the same but eh), so he cant use the roleblocker excuse. He wouldnt use tracker as claim.
Also, Zeke lready claimed cop here. Which scum would fake tracker if theres a cop?
If scum tracker - why would he track ryker if he knows he gets Acro power(assuming it only works on self, even then ryker would probs selftarget)? A scum would track someone else to get proof of their trackerbeing.
His claim looks waterproof to me. Can we stop lynching inferno now and cast doubt on zeke?
If I'm scum tracker, I'm assuming there isn't a town tracker. I'm also assuming that Ryker has no reason to lie. It ties into my play of disliking him and I can "confirm" his role for free to hint that I have a power and shouldn't be lynched. He spent the whole day before his claim talking about how he could claim.
Once again, a lot of "Die Inferno" and no effort. Tell me why not look into Composer? And who are the two people? Also what do you know about T-Block outside of his opinion on me?
Also ive been scumgov before (and could ride it out to a win) and in no way giving soup a pass, especially with a roleblockvariant dead already thus making his second part null. But lets leave him for now
Yes, I know that, but you didn't have a secondary effect that confirms that the action did, in fact, take place. I don't think Soup is imaginative enough to fake that. Let alone thinking to add motivation to his safety net.
Once again, a lot of "Die Inferno" and no effort. Tell me why not look into Composer? And who are the two people? Also what do you know about T-Block outside of his opinion on me?
His opinion of Soup. Of Brosuke, of the claims, his habit of saying things I want said before I can. He's playing a lot like J did for me in Rusty Guillotine, the only game I've ever held hands with a player as town. I would hold hands with him and Meadow this game.
I am doing things, and a lot of it consists of shooting down bad theories on how you could be town which includes a lot of calling for your death, so I'm goof to stop talking to you know. I'll leave you with this message. Die Inferno. Go find a fire and bathe in it. Take a long walk off a short pier with cement overshoes. Mutter something about Rosebud and have a heartattack. I don't care how, just do it and stop trying to drag my name through the mud you play in.
Yes, I know that, but you didn't have a secondary effect that confirms that the action did, in fact, take place. I don't think Soup is imaginative enough to fake that. Let alone thinking to add motivation to his safety net.
If I'm scum tracker, I'm assuming there isn't a town tracker. I'm also assuming that Ryker has no reason to lie. It ties into my play of disliking him and I can "confirm" his role for free to hint that I have a power and shouldn't be lynched. He spent the whole day before his claim talking about how he could claim.
His opinion of Soup. Of Brosuke, of the claims, his habit of saying things I want said before I can. He's playing a lot like J did for me in Rusty Guillotine, the only game I've ever held hands with a player as town. I would hold hands with him and Meadow this game.
I am doing things, and a lot of it consists of shooting down bad theories on how you could be town which includes a lot of calling for your death, so I'm goof to stop talking to you know. I'll leave you with this message. Die Inferno. Go find a fire and bathe in it. Take a long walk off a short pier with cement overshoes. Mutter something about Rosebud and have a heartattack. I don't care how, just do it and stop trying to drag my name through the mud you play in.
Composer, where are you? I'm perfectly fine with lynching you if you don't get in here, even though, as Ryker said, you're good enough vig bait.
Zeke, I'm unsure of. He's coasting like a boss (or has in my impression of him), but I really don't want to lynch a potential cop D2 with no CC. Still, he could very well be fakeclaiming in order to draw heat away from the real cop; he could be bp and nothing else. Or worse, he's fakeclaiming because he hopes that it will give him an excuse to coast. If people are ok with risking a cop kill, then I suppose that I could eventually be convinced to join the wagon with a LOT of effort on the wagonees' part.
Ryker is using his swag all over the place, but since it seems to not have an off switch, I'm trying not to let it affect my read too much. His role seems interesting, and I find little of note from him, scum wise.
Inferno is towny, as previously stated.
T-Block is answering people and posting a few reads, but I'm not sure if he's coasting or if the lack of space between posts is merely activity. Null.
Brosuke seems to be answering questions of himself when asked and generally seems to be hunting for scum. Null leaning town for now.
Soup is null leaning scummy (not pure scum), action wise, and his role seems pretty towny. The question is whether or not his role is fake. Solid null.
Meadow seems to be scumhunting and posting concise thoughts about everyone, and I find little wrong with him. Null leaning town.
Ah, Kantrip. He really hasn't left an impression on me, good or bad. Beyond our initial argument where I thought he insulted me, I can't remember seeing too much. Consider him Null for me until I sit down and reread his posts.
And I'm pretty sure that I almost never have clear town reads, haha. I did the same thing in MM a lot, if I remember right.
Of course, you're town in that read list, but that's mostly for today since someone had asked earlier for everyone's clear stance on you in terms of the lynch.
V/LA for a good few days (that consists of AT LEAST three days or more, can't quite tell right now).
Mixture of schoolwork and having to put nearly EVERY minute of free time on this project my teacher has for me O_O. I'll be here tryna read as often and post as often as I can though, so don't miss me too much
Scum have less business claiming motivator who can verify his role with a second motivate done by his Target plus a gov than a black man has at the bank. If there's doubt later, we can test it. Finnish dem Inferno votes or a damn good alternative.
(note that this post contains no crumbs, I just like Skyward Sword)
(It's LAAAAAAARGE, a part of it is pure quotes though, so you should be able to skip that. It was great to have it all in a preview post to slightly straighten my thoughts, and it shows a bit of thought process)
Part 1: gathering the evidence in relation to Inferno, to attain the Triforce of Wisdom.
If scum lying about being tracker - he'd be ****ed because I doubt scum would have Acropower and a roleblocker (except if its the same but eh), so he cant use the roleblocker excuse. He wouldnt use tracker as claim.
Also, Zeke lready claimed cop here. Which scum would fake tracker if theres a cop?
If scum tracker - why would he track ryker if he knows he gets Acro power(assuming it only works on self, even then ryker would probs selftarget)? A scum would track someone else to get proof of their trackerbeing.
Okay... I'm having a hard time translating thoughts to words here, but let me try.
You say that
1. Inferno is scumTracker
2. He tracked someone else
3. He says he tracked you as a way to hide his other result, while tying in with Inferno's play
Right?
Well I want to fall back on the following then (and I'm just following what basic scum logic would be according to me):
ScumFerno thinks:
"Mhm. I'm going to claim Tracker, as it's a role that's usually a town staple(his words), so it should carry me somewhere. Now, the best way to verify this, is to track someone and post his accurate result. I know Ryker got Acro's power, and knowing Ryker, he's possibly using it on himself. I should best not track Ryker, allowing me to certainly post results."
Is what I would think.
What I think you're saying here is:
ScumFerno thinks:
"Mhm. I'm going to claim Tracker, as it's a role that's usually a town staple (his words), so it should carry me somewhere. Now, I'll just track someone of interest to me, knowing that Ryker will use the power on himself. If he claims that he did, I can say I targetted Ryker, to tie in with my play and hide my other result!"
I also don't like the fact that that reasoning would confirm your power.
That's not something to scums advantage in any way according to me. Agree?
Assuming you target yourself all comes down to being a gambit. What if you wouldn't target yourself, and he tracked someone else? That's really when he has to talk about not tracking you, while basically hating you all D1.
Good point. Yes, I agree that that is peculiar. I can write it off as a Town just being really convinced that Tracker is the town role, but that seems off to me. Point taken, yet there is not enough counterweight.
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Part 2: Adventuring to find information about the true scummy, ultimately attuning your soul to the Triforce of Courage.
[collapse="Zeke's post history, gathering information and sorting out relevance"]
Zeke the Moth.
Ryker, I feel like we do have the same wavelength on many a playerread, coming to the same conclusions through different means. The Inferno thing I see as you misreading his player level, and I assume you think the same for me.
After Soup claimed, I realized I had to look at more players. After much pondering, Zeke popped back up in my mind. Now, just as a disclaimer, should we lynch Zeke and he magically turns out to be town, the cop power is (assuming to be) transferred to Ryker, or at least a variation thereof. And really, I prefer copRyker to copZeke.
That said, let's move on to a post analysis of Zeke. My claim analysis can be found here.
That said, claim speculation is to reinforce, it's not a base.
Let's look at Zeke's post history, shall we? I'll collapse the useless posts.
Besides only having 33 posts, his posts lack obvious quality. Let's take a look at his posts (all of them, for the sake of completion):
Policy lynch choice would be Soup, easily. He's bound to herp sooner or later.
I like this post.
This sequence of events is pretty disgusting. From outright admitting he's going to follow, to actually VISIBLY doing so, to then trying to act like he's wearing big boy pants and assume a position of power. Bandwagoning pressure then acting like you started it so you'll benevolently let him go? Bleck.
I'll be gone for a tournament tonight, but now is that right time to come forward with this.
AS I SAID, WE ARE THE GODDAMN BATMAN, BULLETPROOF COP. Our sanity is not guaranteed, as we are the GODDAMN BATMAN, thus I suspect me may be insane, especially given some of the other crumbs I've seen in this game so far.
With this in mind, we received a Not Guilty result when we investigated Meadowsizzle last night. This doesn't mean much until our sanity is confirmed.
We will be taking scum down today, and I believe an Inferno lynch is the way to go moving forward-down today, but will not be placing my vote just yet, having not checked the vote-count.
Soooo that took us a while. Looks like the most part of his posts are unnecessary, right? 16 posts were collapsed. Though we have to add Raz's 1 relevant post.
That cuts us down from 33 to 18 posts. Does I hear anyone else say "fluffy"?
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Part 3: Transforming Zeke's post history into a coherent case to attain the Triforce of Power, completing the Triforce and allowing one Godly wish; the defeat of scum!
[collapse="Sorting Zeke's post, and elaborating on thoughts"]
So yeah, I'll go ahead and make 2 categories; good post, average post, bad post and semi-useless post. I'll add explanations to my decisions too.
A good post:
I liked this post! It showed town intent.
An average post:
Meh. There's a/some redeeming factor(s), but it's not good.
A bad post:
Seriously wtf are you doing?
A semi-useless post:
You do something, but it's aimless. Like hitting your enemy with a practice sword, it looks like it's sharp, but it will never cut.
Policy lynch choice would be Soup, easily. He's bound to herp sooner or later.
I like this post.
This sequence of events is pretty disgusting. From outright admitting he's going to follow, to actually VISIBLY doing so, to then trying to act like he's wearing big boy pants and assume a position of power. Bandwagoning pressure then acting like you started it so you'll benevolently let him go? Bleck.
The only redeeming thing about this post is the part about Soup. Assuming he didn't know about anyone's suspicion of Soup at the time (even though IIRC I was the only one to suspect him back then), I like that he came out for that on his own. The rest can fit the semi-useless category. But I'm being lenient here.
I'll be gone for a tournament tonight, but now is that right time to come forward with this.
AS I SAID, WE ARE THE GODDAMN BATMAN, BULLETPROOF COP. Our sanity is not guaranteed, as we are the GODDAMN BATMAN, thus I suspect me may be insane, especially given some of the other crumbs I've seen in this game so far.
With this in mind, we received a Not Guilty result when we investigated Meadowsizzle last night. This doesn't mean much until our sanity is confirmed.
We will be taking scum down today, and I believe an Inferno lynch is the way to go moving forward-down today, but will not be placing my vote just yet, having not checked the vote-count.
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Now, the first post that entered the "good" category was on Day 2.
Anyway.
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Overall, Zeke's play has been passive. He's been posting but not doing. He shows no intent to bring down scum, instead waiting for others to take the initiative, and sailing on that. Ryker posted out "I'm going with popular opinion!". Yeah, should prove enough.
Ryker, we can meet each other here. Don't you think it's odd that there's a tracker AND a cop in town? Don't you agree with the fact that Zeke could as well not have entered the game, and nothing would've been different?
I hope I convinced you of InfernoTown, allowing us to move to Zeke. This post is mainly to convince others to vote Zeke, while I convince you how Inferno is Town, eventually getting you to join this lynch. I'd love to see your reply to my defensive case on Inferno.