UTrick'd2, OVER! Mafia wins!

[Lore]

WoT is a better book acronym.

I've actually never read Wheel of Time, surprisingly.

@Everyone: Is Ryker normally like this? By this, I mean the problem said in my last post. I'm suspecting that this may actually be me disliking the playstyle, not the actions of the player.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Control Werekill Vote Inferno

I picked up the scum jack of all trades.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

****, unvote.

control vote werekill inferno

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Think about it, Werekill. You are GOING to figure this out. Means more that way. What could Soup have done to be town. It wasn't his play so it was his......?

 

[Lore]

Haha, what? I'm gonna die laughing if that actually changes Glyph's votecount.

And as for your newest that popped up, I appreciate the fact that you're trying to get me to think, but I still want reasoning. However, for all I know, he could have done something that I missed, so I'm rereading his posts.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

For the record, I do rely in my swagger to get shot done, so bravo for picking up on that. Remember it. You happened to pick a terrible time to call me on it though.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Haha, what? I'm gonna die laughing if that actually changes Glyph's votecount.

And as for your newest that popped up, I appreciate the fact that you're trying to get me to think, but I still want reasoning. However, for all I know, he could have done something that I missed, so I'm rereading his posts.

Grumble, grumble.

If it's not his play, it's his role. He's claimed a role he could not possibly have used yet, so it's his claim. Thiiiiiiink. Don't just read and arbitrarily assign scum or town points to things. Think about his motive for claiming from every alignment and what he stands to gain, then make a deduction about what he actually is based on your conclusions.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

FEEL FREE TO POST YOUR THOUGHT PROCESSES.

 

[Inferno3044]

Ryker what the hell are you thinking? Within about an hour you went from wanting Soup to use his power to saying his claim isn't trustworthy to saying not to use his power on me to saying he is confirmed town. So much inconsistency it makes me so confused -.-

For the record, I do rely in my swagger to get shot done, so bravo for picking up on that. Remember it. You happened to pick a terrible time to call me on it though.

That would explain why you have put in no effort to get me lynched

 

[Kantrip]

Inferno he was quoting one post at a time and working his way through. He hadn't got to the part where Soup said the lynch would be reversed when he was advocating its use. Even you, as the lynch target, have to agree that having no flip is a bad idea.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Yeah, in that span, I read that part of the thread and thought about it and came to the final conclusion that is what we can take out of it. Inferno, you STILL have yet to pressure a suspect. You remain on your *** in the hot seat.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Kantrip, you agree with town Soup?

 

[Kantrip]

At the moment, yes. However, there's another avenue that is dependent on Inferno's flip I won't be counting out.

If it wasn't clear to others, the wagon is NOT switching to Soup.

 

[Inferno3044]

Yeah, in that span, I read that part of the thread and thought about it and came to the final conclusion that is what we can take out of it. Inferno, you STILL have yet to pressure a suspect. You remain on your *** in the hot seat.

I've talked about Soup's lack of action for how much he has talked. I definitely played a factor in getting Soup to claim (because it involved me). Maybe I haven't done that much, but it's not like you've been doing anything.

 

[Inferno3044]

Well let's put this out there. I'm flipping exactly as I said. Where are you gonna go from there?

 

[Kantrip]

I hope you're not telling the reason we lynched scum D1 that he's not doing anything.

Where do I go if you flip town? Well I guess we'll see then won't we? I have some connections to you, Inferno, don't worry about that.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I go on to avenues I don't want to discuss. Lol, no you weren't a part if getting Soup to.claim. That was all Soup. In fact, you didn't even vote him before you were told to.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

What is this I don't even.

Soup your role is much less ******** than the hype behind it (but still wow umm not that good of a role O.o)... but after sleeping... I mean how can Soup be scum... ughugh I'll move my vote somewhere in the afternoon but for now Unvote

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Scum have less business claiming motivator who can verify his role with a second motivate done by his Target plus a gov than a black man has at the bank. If there's doubt later, we can test it. Finnish dem Inferno votes or a damn good alternative.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

How's about a Gorf vote?

Vote: Gorf

What's Inferno at? If he's at L-1, you promise to hammer?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

He's l3 I think. Don't put him past l2 yet.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Vote: Inferno

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Gnite broad. Wait for me before putting him at l1. Get those votes off Supah though.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

GNITE BROS. **** AUTOCORRECT.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Unvote

gotta think a bit

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Seriously I've ran through every possibility and I see no reason as to why Inferno can be scum, especially relating to his claim.

Ryker you can see this **** too, I bet. Inferno isn't the lynch today.

 

[Inferno3044]

I hope you're not telling the reason we lynched scum D1 that he's not doing anything.

Where do I go if you flip town? Well I guess we'll see then won't we? I have some connections to you, Inferno, don't worry about that.

Im talking about anything today. Yeah we got scum D1 and ill give him credit, but he wants me dead and isn't doing work. Also as long as you guys have somewhere to go then at least my lynch wont be in vain. Just in case ryker gets trigger happy again ill put a couple of my reads:

Brosuke and LAK are both town due to their reaction to ryker's quick hammer.

Ask ryker what power he gets from me and see if its related to mine. Note: meadow called acrostic a RB based on the power ryker got.

Shed some light on some of the lesser known slots (composer, tblock, LAK). Wouldn't be surprised if scum is hiding in the background.

Kantrip has had some sheepish moments but he has taken some charge. He's null.

Have class. Will post more later

 

[Lore]

Ryker, you were right. I've been thinking, and I don't think that Soup's role is helpful to scum, so he is probably town. I'll post my analysis thoughts when I have time later, but for now:

Unvote.

I still really think that Inferno is towny, so I'm not moving to that wagon.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Seriously I've ran through every possibility and I see no reason as to why Inferno can be scum, especially relating to his claim.

I retract this statement.

Still seeing Inferno as town.

 

[Zeke the Moth]

unvote

The goddamn batman thinks this is goddamn ********, but this was obviously souptown just trying to be cool, thinking he had a good idea.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I retract this statement.

Wait no I don't. I forgot my own line of thought there, for a second.

Now to think about my new lynchpool...

 

[Inferno3044]

We have time to move things around. Question for everyone. Let's assume that both soup and myself are town. Who would you try to make today's play? Personally I would think of composer. He replaced joey(?) who really gave no content and has still given nothing. He openly admited to not trying to read the thread and its not even long (seriously, D1 of MM was longer than where we are now and it was full of walls of text) plus he has openly admitted to sheeping his way around. At the very least I want information out of him.

@composer - give us some of your reads.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

FEEL FREE TO POST YOUR THOUGHT PROCESSES.

enjoy google translate and the scribblings of a chaos;head!

- Zeke claimed bulletproof cop voor tracker is geout

- Investigate Meadowsizzle



Als town
Waarom bulletproof claimen?
wilt nightkill absorben
KAN NIET, dan zou hij het niet claimen =/

Waarom Meadowsizzle investigaten?
Betere targets:
Ryker// Werekill// felipe, Joey

Als indy
Waarom bulletproof claimen?
Omdat hij bulletproof is en het hij scum uitdaagt
Waarom cop claimen?
Weet niet of er een counterclaim kan zijn... risky? backup op insanity? Maar waarom dan al een result claimen? Als er counterclaim komt, moet hij insane pledgen en als die town dan word gelynched is ie de lul
WIST NIET DAT ER TRACKER IS OP MOMENT VAN CLAIM
--
kan iedereen als town neerzetten en krijgt geen suspicion, maar juist hulp van mafia(!) terwijl hij met zn killing role bezig kan zijn (arsonist?)
Waarom Meadowsizzle?
Hij was waarsch de beste om naartoe te gaan aangezien hij scum en town kan zijn volgens Zeke. Insanity backup backup.


Als scum
Waarom bulletproof claimen?
Om uit te leggen dat hij nooit geschoten word door mafia, ondanks cop claim
Waarom cop claimen?
Het is safe zonder counterclaim. Je kan bijna free naar endgame en je kan scummates clearen.

Waarom Meadowsizzle?
Hij was waarsch de beste om naartoe te gaan aangezien hij scum en town kan zijn volgens Zeke. Insanity backup backup.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Oh wait non english is prohibited

Zeke clAimED bulletproof cop on tracker geout

- Investigate Meadow Sizzle



as a town
Why bulletproof claim?
night to kill absorb
CAN NOT, he would not claim it = /

Investigate why Meadow Sizzle?
Better targets:
Ryker / / Were Kill / / felipe, Joey

If indy
Why bulletproof claim?
Because he's bulletproof, and he challenges scum
Why cop claim?
Do not know if there is a counter-claim may be ... Risky? backup on insanity? But why then have a claim resulted? If counter claim comes, he must pledge insane, and then get lynched if that town is he the ****
THAT DID NOT TRACKER TO TIME OF CLAIM
-
anyone can drop a town and get no suspicion, but help from mafia (!) son while he may be busy killing role (Arsonist?)
Why Meadow Sizzle?
Alert he was the best to go as he is scum and town according to Zeke. Insanity backup backup.


If scum
Why bulletproof claim?
To explain that he would never get shot by mafia, despite claims cop
Why cop claim?
It is safe without a counter claim. You can almost for free endgame scum mates and you can clear.

Why Meadow Sizzle?
Alert he was the best to go as he is scum and town according to Zeke. Insanity backup backup.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

To summarize in a really chaotic way:

- Did not know a tracker is present when he claimed
- Claimed bulletproof cop
- Investigated Meadow


Comes down to why the **** would he claim so early for an INNOCENT
Why would he play like he did if he's bulletproof? An obvtown would sooner get shot and that's good as BULLETPROOF
Why did he mention bulletproof while also claiming cop? Could be a gambit to avoid scum nk (yeah i went there, sorry)
Why didn't he investigate Ryker? I see the Hydra as one that would try. Maybe he knew the powers of Acro and knew that Ryker would use it?


So I have reasons for doubting Zeke. Besides the claim, his play has been far from good.

Let's look at the Indy possibility:
He could really be bulletproof
He could just claim a town read on everyone and the mafia wouldn't be able to complain
The problem here is that if there is a counterclaim and they revert to the "THEN WE'RE PROBABLY INSANE" issue, and one of their 'investigated' targets turn out to be wrong, then he's ****ed.
i.e. we had a counterclaim, they say they're insane, we lynch Meadow, Meadow is town. How are they insane?
Now they could play this off as the other person being insane, but that's unlikely as they also claimed bulletproof.
There's the possibility that, as they are indy, that they have an investigate.
There's the possibility that they 'investigated' Meadow because he is unlikely to get lynched and that way it will take longer to get outed
There's the possibility that they somehow knew that there would be a tracker and not a cop

Cop+tracker in the same town is unlikely

Now I'm gonna do a throwback here and say that he might just be Bulletproof Indy Arsonist (plus/or some other things?). Loose theory here, though.

As scum
He didn't investigate Ryker, because he knows Ryker has Acro's power and he knows what Acro's power does.
He can clear scummates
Free ride to endgame
Explains why he never dies yet claims cop



It's just so risky to do as nontown but I don't see why a town would do what Zeke is doing all game.

Yes I didn't want to talk about Zeke but it's been bothering me all day

 

[Zeke the Moth]

Brosuke, I appreciate the brain dump, but you already have the information you need to discern my motivations. You should know what I'm talking about.

So says the Goddamn Batman.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm going to clarify a few things.

- I did not have a plan, i never did have one and i used to used it to strengthen my argument, a wise man once said half of this game is about how you present things, and i presented it to my justifiable favor.
- The votes were beginning to pile on me, i really didn't see the inferno lynch myself but i knew there were also mixed emotions about it, some thought he was town, some thought he was scum. i felt my role would be of perfect use at this moment, we could lynch inferno and i could either not do anything and let the lynch go through, or stop it with my power activating my other abilites.

my abilites are:
- A one-shot Governor power, which i stop the lynch from happening and force a NL
- A Motivater like power that allows me to point to someone who will recieve immune abilities to roleblocks; the target he also targets will recieve those same abilities.
- The following night i get double the power.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Why did i ask those questions? why did i try and hide my ability?

because i didn't want to out my role and felt i could just talk my way into it, more and more i had slip information when i wanted to make inferno feel helpless after the lynch and get some solid reads out of him if that chance he was going to flip scum, do you see the benefit of what i did now? do you understand why i claimed?

if you don't, i'm going to assume you still don't understand what is going on.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Ryker is probably the only person that is making sense right now, and he could easily see my intentions in everything, instead you wanted to look at it with a blind eye and i had to trump my full-claim just to do something, of course, i coulda gone in the same position as Inferno and lead to a force-claim, but if subtly gave information that could lead to me surviving, then i would.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

My reads still stay solid besides that lingering inferno read, a lot of people justifiably defended his towniness and i myself was beginning to see it more and more, unless there is some other oppurtune or beneficial lynch, then i would go with it.

@Brosuke
So you have paranoia of Zeke? did the claim change anything? it certainly did for me, and i can see you focusing on it, which tells me you don't trust him.

what about his report, though? is that legit at least?