Usmash OoS

[Vlade]

I actually think we should create a list of moves of every character we can punish with Usmash OoS, but obviously not stupid moves that opponents are going to throw out at high %. I've only recently started killing with this manouveur against Metaknight's fair but want to expand and see what else I can punish over the whole Top Tier cast. Lately I discovered that you can Usmash snake's mediocre spaced ftilt OoS (dunno about properly spaced). Discussing this tool we have can help deal with one of falco's greatest weaknesses - difficult killing ability. In this game the person who keeps their stocks will win and if our opponent doesn't lose their stock then we will obviously lose.

So, please post anything of interest that can be usmashed OoS

(note that you consider the spacing of the following attacks listed)



-Fair
-Glide attack
-Nair



-Ftilt
-Dash attack



-Dancing Blade 3
-Dash attack



-Fair
-Dash attack?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Snake's bad spaced Ftilt1, some parts of dash attack owait i just listed all of snakes moves
Marth's DB1 if not continued and not perfect spaced, DB2 if not continued, DB3 (continued or not).
Obviously pretty much every dash attack

I don't really use usmash oos a lot.

 

[gunterrsmash01]

It's situational cause it depends on your opps. spacing. And i like to do it on platforms when my opponent is pressuring me and gets greedy and forgets to space.

 

[swordsaint]

Falco's should learn to move in to peoples attacks and shield so the opponents spacing is ruined. RUINED I SAY. HAHAHAHAHAA.

I use Up smash OoS all the time, probably way too much.

 

[Viperdev]

u can oos usmash pits fsmash after the first slash

have 2 PS tho, and even then its still not easy

 

[swordsaint]

powershield to up smash isn't up smash OoS btw/

 

[Kitamerby]

powershield to up smash isn't up smash OoS btw/

Difference is?

 

[swordsaint]

power shielding removes shield drop lag to act instantly. in other words, ANY move can come out from the powershield, without shield drop frames, also no shield push, pokes, breaks or stun.

upsmash/specials/aerials OoS are abusing the fact you can jump out of shield. you can cancel jumps to up smash. hence why it's possible from shield.

 

[J4pu]

so, you gunna start making a list in the OP or what?
MK glide attack of course

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

so, you gunna start making a list in the OP or what?
MK glide attack of course

I don't know about that. If the glide attack has momentum behind it, then it is punishable with that. Although, if the glide is aimed down before using the glide attack so that forward momentum is miminal, and it is spaced properly, I do not think it will work.

 

[Vlade]

I started making a list, only got 4 characters but keep adding more info please

Can someone confirm whether we can usmash OoS diddy's dash attack?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

We can't, I'm pretty sure.

 

[Kitamerby]

power shielding removes shield drop lag to act instantly. in other words, ANY move can come out from the powershield, without shield drop frames, also no shield push, pokes, breaks or stun.

upsmash/specials/aerials OoS are abusing the fact you can jump out of shield. you can cancel jumps to up smash. hence why it's possible from shield.

I could've sworn powershielding only removed shieldlag, shield pushback, and severely reduced shieldstun.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Yup. It reduces shield drop frames to 1. That's 1 for putting it up, and 1 for dropping it. Add 1 for input recognision at the start, so that's 2 for putting it up and 1 for dropping.

 

[Attila_]

I started making a list, only got 4 characters but keep adding more info please

Can someone confirm whether we can usmash OoS diddy's dash attack?

i'll try it on tibs tonight

you cant touch fair if its spaced, just btw. bair would probably be the same. generally i just grab an obvious dash attack, btw.

 

[Browny]

well this is... interesting, to say the least

Care to put up video examples of usmash actually coming out fast enough to beat those attacks?
I have some strong doubts over MK's glide attack (cancel it into a dtilt or anything fast), marths db3 (last i checked there was only like 10 frames to do anything to it, hence why only 1 frame upb oos attacks can hit it) and diddys dash attack.

wont MK's aerials only be punishable by a running usmash? given that it should only ever be done while retreating after a shield hit.

 

[Vlade]

Yeah Attila I thought that if Diddy and Falco were standing right next to each other shielding and Diddy does Fair OoS I thought we could usmash it.

I want to know if we CAN usmash diddy's dash attack though because it means a kill opportunity, but yes grabbing it is great

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

The only times I manage to shieldgrab diddy's dash attack is if I use grab armor : (

Give me an upb oos plz.

 

[Teran]

Tbh the only attack I use OoS is Bair. It's far safer although obviously it won't kill as well. :x

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Tbh the only attack I use OoS is Bair. It's far safer although obviously it won't kill as well. :x

FH Dair is pretty safe I think. Given that fact it comes out on what? Frame 3 or 6? You can easily Dair someone from OoS and get away safely because of the height.

 

[J4pu]

bair has less forward range than usmash

for aerials you have to consider both the jump start-up and aerial start-up lag

 

[o0 DR3W 0o]

Haha, how do you even do usmash out of shield? I've probably been doing it but don't know it lol.

 

[Teran]

bair has less forward range than usmash

for aerials you have to consider both the jump start-up and aerial start-up lag

Well if you slide your hand over the attack button as soon as you leave the ground the aerial comes out pretty fast, akin to IAP.

You're right about the forward range though. Lol Bair punching.

Haha, how do you even do usmash out of shield? I've probably been doing it but don't know it lol.

With tap jump on you just press up then Usmash as soon as possible after doing so. With tap jump off it's just a case of doing it with a jump button (whatever you use).

 

[M@v]

tilts OoS are underused...and unexpected

 

[J4pu]

OoS is specifically used to refer to JCing shield into something (although in english it technically means anything done after previously using shield)
you can't JC tilts
shield drops > tilts are decent

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

OoS is specifically used to refer to JCing shield into something (although in english it technically means anything done after previously using shield)
you can't JC tilts
shield drops > tilts are decent

Technically, Dash Attack would be a better punisher out of shield. 11 frames vs 13 frames. But, I guess Ftilt is safer if you mistime it oos.

I wonder if there are other ways to jump cancel.

 

[Kitamerby]

Utilt out of shield drop

isn't it like 3 frames or something.

 

[Denzi]

Utilt out of shield drop

isn't it like 3 frames or something.

Shield drop is 7, and you can't jump cancel Utilt.

 

[Kitamerby]

Shield drop is 7, and you can't jump cancel Utilt.

10 frames total, then. Almost as good as usmash oos then. :D

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Utilt is frame 4, shield drop is 6 frames actually (I've been wrong with this all the time )
So yeah, 10 frames

 

[Denzi]

Utilt is frame 4, shield drop is 6 frames actually (I've been wrong with this all the time )
So yeah, 10 frames

Oh, so it's your fault I'm wrong

Isn't Usmash 7 frames?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I TAKE ALL THE BLAME D:

It's frame 8.

 

[Lord Chair]

You told me jumpcanceled usmash takes an extra frame.

Shielddropping is 6 frames.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

JCusmash takes an extra frame? I don't recall saying that. It's hard to cancel the jump on the first frame though X.x

 

[dainbramage]

JCusmash takes an extra frame? I don't recall saying that. It's hard to cancel the jump on the first frame though X.x

You can't cancel a jump without jumping. Hence the extra frame

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Buffer itttt

 

[Denzi]

Buffer itttt

It still has to happen. You can't do 2 things in 1 frame.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Depends. Buffer a jump and usmash in hitstun ^_^

At least, I think you can cancel the first frame before it comes out if you buffer it

 

[swordsaint]

Xonar, to cancel the jump, the jump has to come out. If there wasn't that extra frame it'd just be an up smash. At least that's what I'm understanding.

 

[Jon Farron]

After lucas is still lagging after his upsmash, while ness is doing pk flash.
After ness is lagging after pk fire. ness after pk thunder (or during)

These have all happened to me D: