uPick Mafia Ultimate ⭐ Game over! Did the game contain more than a single legal character by the end of its life cycle? Or is it no items, Hades only?

[#HBC | Kary]

Fwiw Kary (sloppy reads list) and I guess Shishoe (weird attitude towards Kary) are at the top of my lynch list.

having bad reads doesn't make somebody mafia

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I was hoping this game would pick up this evening actually, but 그런 것 아닌가 봐요

 

[Marisa Kirisame]

Vult Redux

I feel our conversation was cut short, please refer to what I asked you before! You posted that you felt I was Nabe playing the game with prescient insight towards things and I'm getting a vibe that people believe that me and GLG are connected which is umm confusing?

 

[Marisa Kirisame]

I'm going to go and make dinner, but so far;

scum leanings on;
Bardull; doesn't feel right that he would vote me in RVS. I want to know what the reason was.
Opossum; their one opening post didn't fill me with confidence.
Poyzin; following me in posting in Korean is okay in theory, but I felt they had nothing to say other than that.

Yes! I like this one read even if it seems kinda random, but sometimes strokes of genius but moreso for me and it's all the time actually ahahaha~

 

[giraffelasergun]

I was hoping this game would pick up this evening actually, but 그런 것 아닌가 봐요

I like your point about poyzin, what do you think about Shish and Vult? Also, in the chance that we end up lynching one of those people that cast an RVS vote and left, who would you choose? Or would you rather go a different direction entirely

 

[Vult Redux]

having bad reads doesn't make somebody mafia

Having made-up reads does....

I would elaborate but I want other players to weigh in first

 

[Pokechu]

If it counts for anything, I also noticed how on the last line, the letter says "the same as anyone else" but behind it is "the same as everyone else."

 

[Vult Redux]

Vult Redux

I feel our conversation was cut short, please refer to what I asked you before! You posted that you felt I was Nabe playing the game with prescient insight towards things and I'm getting a vibe that people believe that me and GLG are connected which is umm confusing?

You implied that you had some inside info on GLG but I don't think you do... I don't think there's a connection.

To be frank i don't why you're even voting for him. You've been vague about it for no good reason

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I like your point about poyzin, what do you think about Shish and Vult? Also, in the chance that we end up lynching one of those people that cast an RVS vote and left, who would you choose? Or would you rather go a different direction entirely

put shish and vult both at town lean. their distaste for my antics seemed pretty genuine.

there's several people who've done next to nothing so far. I already gave my slim reasons for disliking people, I don't know why I would be making choices beyond that at this point. it would just be a shot in the dark.

 

[Pokechu]

I personally liked Kary's reads. I think for D1 hipshot scum reads they're decent observations. I'm curious why Barney would vote her for RVS as well, Poyzin hasn't contributed much (although we should be capping on Maven if we're looking towards inactives), and Opo hasn't said much either. All three could be looked into more. Kary's good in my book.

 

[Maven89]

Standard disclaimer: I work during the day and do not have the option to check smashboards. Most of my activity wil be at night

Second Disclaimer

Tá cúrsaí iontach casta anseo. Tá mé go leor trí chéile.
An bhfuil cead agam an glantóir turscar a úsáid ar an róbat Cóiréach agus an cailleach Seapánach? Ní maith liom an chuma atá orthú.

No speaking Elvish

I'm dissapointed everyone decided to follow Kary and post nonsense, making half of the content irrelevant. I'm not google translating anything, we used to have a rule that you can't post in foreign languages.

From googling Mira Kirasune's character

"Marisa is also a habitual liar, but she makes no effort to actually deceive as her lies are extremely obvious"

https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Marisa_Kirisame

I see nothing about her being possessed or taken over, meaning I see no reason for the slot's claim about "someone could become me" to make sense. I don't get it at all, and hate this sort of WIFOM it generates. I'd be happier just voting the slot off so we never have to deal with it again. This isn't the type of mafia I enjoy.

Vote: Mira Kirsame

prove me wrong

 

[Marisa Kirisame]

You implied that you had some inside info on GLG but I don't think you do... I don't think there's a connection.

To be frank i don't why you're even voting for him. You've been vague about it for no good reason

Ehhh? That was never my intention at all! When it comes to GLG I just find him to be really guarded, so I thought it was a good vote? ~Ka

I see nothing about her being possessed or taken over, meaning I see no reason for the slot's claim about "someone could become me" to make sense. I don't get it at all, and hate this sort of WIFOM it generates. I'd be happier just voting the slot off so we never have to deal with it again. This isn't the type of mafia I enjoy.

I like that you are treating me as a person instead of some anomaly, but rest assured I am on your side and I don't mean to be confusing! I am a real person and I am trying to communicate with you and everyone else in this game.

 

[Deleted member]

prove me wrong

I can't but I can tell you her death will give us nothing and I feel much more comfortable letting her issue be reolved during the Night.
I'm sure we have plenty of Stand users roles that can find out what's up with her.

 

[Marisa Kirisame]

I mean.. I technically can be voted, killed, boiled in hot water, but I don't think it will do anything so let's just stick to showering me with praise ahahaha~

http://i.imgur.com/rcx8F4W.png

 

[Dooplissity]

Interesting so Marisa is here, joined yesterday after signups were closed, I do wonder what's her purpose, whether it be to help or hinder town.
I'm going to work now I'll be back in the thread in a few hours. It sure would be helpful if someone could translate the korean posts while I'm gone.

Is this standard posting style/tone for FE? It definitely feels off to me, especially the last part, which feels like it has an implicit "i hope it's to help town!" hanging off the end. I actually am not a fan of FE's content to this point - there's been basically nothing of substance even though he's made posts. vote: fe

Something about the way that Vult is pushing Kary's lynch seems like it's town vs scum(actually could be town vs town, but I don't think they're both scum is what I was getting at). I don't think Scum Vult would push Scum Kary's Lynch so hard, especially this early in the game and especially over a post restriction.

@Utopian I tried to google translate your question but I don't think it translated properly, would you mind posting it in English so I can respond to it?

I disagree with this pretty heavily. It's admittedly been a long time since I've had much experience with Vult, but I definitely do not put weird gambitting past him. I specifically remember him (as Town) creating wagons he had no intention of lynching, just to observe people and 180 onto the actual Scum. If he's willing to do that, he'd be confident enough as Scum in his ability to get a wagon he made off his scummate.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

 

[Dooplissity]

other thoughts:

not sure why vult views kary's reads list as fabricated. I don't love the list but the reasoning does seem to grok for me.

100% count me off the lynch Marisa train, and eyebrow raised at Maven for suggesting it. Were that lynch to pan out, we'd get very little from it, especially if it was a mislynch. We'd shrug our shoulders, go "oh well, the role was weird", and lose a phase. If we lynch Marisa, it has to be because we think the slot is scum-controlled.

also not a fan of suggesting we "resolve" the Marisa issue during the night. I'd wager a role that like is designed to be fairly obtuse and not trivially solvable. Forgive the FUD I'm about to spread, but the flavor of "habitual liar" is a red flag for "****s up investigatives", and we have no guarantee this game doesn't have third parties, either... I think focusing on Marisa at all is a mistake. I'd rather see normal dayplay.

edit: grammar typo

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Is this standard posting style/tone for FE? It definitely feels off to me, especially the last part, which feels like it has an implicit "i hope it's to help town!" hanging off the end. I actually am not a fan of FE's content to this point - there's been basically nothing of substance even though he's made posts. vote: fe



I disagree with this pretty heavily. It's admittedly been a long time since I've had much experience with Vult, but I definitely do not put weird gambitting past him. I specifically remember him (as Town) creating wagons he had no intention of lynching, just to observe people and 180 onto the actual Scum. If he's willing to do that, he'd be confident enough as Scum in his ability to get a wagon he made off his scummate.

From the first interaction of the game, it really seemed like Marisa is not a real player, but rather a mechanic of the game which is why I phrased it like so. Basically I'm wondering if the game mechanic will be useful for town or not, or just something to confuse us. The liar thing doesn't help either.
But honestly, you and Kary are right we should focus on something else.

English please, I think we had enough of this sthick.

Opossum Where are you? You make a rvs post and haven't showed up since. Its kind of suspicious given your scum play is usually one of a lurker.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Players:

1. giraffelasergun
2. Shishœ
3. Moydow
4. Fire Emblemier
5. Marisa Kirisame
6. Pokechu
7. Maven89
8. DtJ S2n
9. Vult Redux
10. UtopianPoyzin
11. BarDulL
12. #HBC | Kary
13. Dooplissity
14. Opossum

Figured I'd throw my hand out there on the Marissa debate. I find it rather odd that Nabe had been including everybody onto the list in chronological order in the order in which they signed up. All was fine, even when we had established Opossum as the one that we deemed to be the final member at 13th. Now, I'm not saying that anybody could have joined, because they could, but why was everybody moved down to accommodate for Marissa in the fifth spot, (between Fire Emblemier and Pokechu, who signed up on Dec 6th), when Marissa made her account yesterday? Now, Nabe could have informed them that a game of mafia was happening, but I would think that Nabe would have put Marissa in the signup consistently with the rest. Any term in the middle of a 12-14 term list is often overlooked compared with the first and last term; that's just how brains perceive things. By placing the final character who never expressed interest in this thread to join in the middle of the signup, I feel like it was a way to nonchalantly put her in the game without the notice of others, as a last minute undercover insertion. Do I think she's scum? Probably not, but I do think that she has an important role. Anyway, just my take. Her placement in the signup is just a thing that I noticed, and doesn't affect lynching

Can everyone please post in English unless they're role pm explicitly states they have to post in a different language? This has gotten out of hand.

I think Vult and Kary aren't aligned at the moment, but I'm not sure which one I think is town and which one is scum.

이것은 다른 모든 사람들이 자신을 정파로 편입 시켰음을 의미합니까? 나는 개인적으로 그렇게 말하지 않을 것이다 ...



또한 우리는 왜 우리의 성격이 역할에 관한 우리에게 요구하는 것을 공개적으로 말할 것입니까? 언어도 예외는 아닙니다.

I was just saying that I didn't know why you singled out Vult and Kary as being unaligned, implying that everybody else was clearly aligned. The second bit was me saying that I didn't think that languages affected the game. That was a summary I believe, any translator should get you close to what I said.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

By the way, as of now, I'm choosing not to lynch; don't see a valid reason as of now, as Kary isn't speaking 100% of her comments in Korean, and Marissa doesn't seem like scum. This doesn't mean that I'm not curious about what her role is in the game, because I very much am.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

By the way, as of now, I'm choosing not to lynch; don't see a valid reason as of now, as Kary isn't speaking 100% of her comments in Korean, and Marissa doesn't seem like scum. This doesn't mean that I'm not curious about what her role is in the game, because I very much am.

Phase is 48 hours long we have plenty of time to look somewhere else for a lynch.

 

[Dooplissity]

From the first interaction of the game, it really seemed like Marisa is not a real player, but rather a mechanic of the game which is why I phrased it like so. Basically I'm wondering if the game mechanic will be useful for town or not, or just something to confuse us. The liar thing doesn't help either.
But honestly, you and Kary are right we should focus on something else.

English please, I think we had enough of this sthick.

Opossum Where are you? You make a rvs post and haven't showed up since. Its kind of suspicious given your scum play is usually one of a lurker.

I don't disagree with that assessment, or think you shouldn't wonder, mind you. I thought it odd that you chose to wonder that out loud, especially in context of the tone seeming off to me. (struck me as Scum trying to generate words to post, rather than a genuine, off-the-cuff statement)

 

[Moydow]

I don't think Marisa's worth lynching right now either; it'd clear up the wine around the role, but that's it, we don't really get any connections or anything from it.

Right now I just want to see people like Bard and Opossum and S2n doing more. I don't know if they've just been busy or something, but there's almost always at least one mafioso among the lurkers, so I feel like we ought to clear them out and/or get everyone contributing sooner rather than later. If I was going to lynch someone right now, I'd probably go for Opo, since lurking is consistent with how I've seen him play as scum in the past.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

I don't disagree with that assessment, or think you shouldn't wonder, mind you. I thought it odd that you chose to wonder that out loud, especially in context of the tone seeming off to me. (struck me as Scum trying to generate words to post, rather than a genuine, off-the-cuff statement)

If I'm not posting my thoughts in the early phases there will be nothing to go off of later in the game. I feel letting others know what I am thinking is important even if its early. I felt I was being geniune with my thoughts, but the way I phrase things just may come off as peculiar to you.

 

[giraffelasergun]

As far as lynching an inactive goes, there just feels like there's too many to choose from at this point of time (opo, maven, s2, bard) that I'm not even sure which one to view as scummier as the others.

I was just saying that I didn't know why you singled out Vult and Kary as being unaligned, implying that everybody else was clearly aligned. The second bit was me saying that I didn't think that languages affected the game. That was a summary I believe, any translator should get you close to what I said.

In particular, at that time Vult was pushing for a Kary lynch in the span of multiple posts w/o providing that they were posting only in Korean, and it seemed a bit early for two scum buddies to be going after one another, especially for such weak reasoning. I also realized it could just be town vs town, but I don't think that Kary and Vult are scum together.

I was on mobile at the time so I found translating to be a bit more difficult, just because it can be hard to select text to copy into a translator in a different tab. Also, phrasing changes when things go through google translate and it can get wonky, so I wanted to make sure I actually understood what your post was.

Doop, I'm going to reread the game tomorrow(or maybe later tonight) and get back to you about fire. While I think it's a common scum tactic for scum to post conclusions that anyone could come too, I don't think that's what FE is doing tonight. I also want to look into Vult more.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I like that you are treating me as a person instead of some anomaly, but rest assured I am on your side and I don't mean to be confusing! I am a real person and I am trying to communicate with you and everyone else in this game.

Okay well I have a question for you. Who are you? And what did you pick as your role in this game of mafia? If you want to be treated as a person, then you ought to act like a person, and not a character from a videogame.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Figured I'd throw my hand out there on the Marissa debate.

We already know that there is something strange about Marissa.

Do you have anything to add? Because it feels like you're taking a backseat in this game so far.

 

[Vult Redux]

not sure why vult views kary's reads list as fabricated. I don't love the list but the reasoning does seem to grok for me.

you buy that Kary thinks Bardull is scum???

scum leanings on;
Bardull; doesn't feel right that he would vote me in RVS. I want to know what the reason was.

Bardull's vote is literally the first post in the game and he's only posted sparingly since then. So there's -0 reason for a reasonable person to be bothered by someone not elaborating on their reason. Kary is posting fluff.

you seem like the type to catch this sort of thing so I'm concerned.

I also want to look into Vult more.

I'm town

 

[Vult Redux]

I see nothing about her being possessed or taken over, meaning I see no reason for the slot's claim about "someone could become me" to make sense. I don't get it at all, and hate this sort of WIFOM it generates. I'd be happier just voting the slot off so we never have to deal with it again. This isn't the type of mafia I enjoy.

Vote: Mira Kirsame

prove me wrong

Ignoring flavor, the account being a hydra is pretty feasible. The mod probably posted the notebook image thing and the player is posting everything else.

I really don't think you're going to be able to get the votes to lynch the slot so I'm curious where you head is at wrt to other things.

 

[Dooplissity]

you buy that Kary thinks Bardull is scum???


Bardull's vote is literally the first post in the game and he's only posted sparingly since then. So there's -0 reason for a reasonable person to be bothered by someone not elaborating on their reason. Kary is posting fluff.

you seem like the type to catch this sort of thing so I'm concerned.

I'm town

Yeah, why don't you? If Kary knows Bardull, and something feels off about it to Kary, then it makes some amount of sense from Kary's PoV, as flimsy as it is. I wouldn't ever suspect someone for that, and neither would you, but we're both not Kary.

You're correct that it's not really reasonable, but what would possibly suggest to me that the person who was faking a Korean post restriction is playing reasonably?

 

[Dooplissity]

<PLAYER_NAME> is posting fluff.

you seem like the type to catch this sort of thing so I'm concerned.

also, this describes your lack of comment w/r/t fe to me. if you want to engage with me, that's a pretty good starting point

 

[Vult Redux]

II disagree with this pretty heavily. It's admittedly been a long time since I've had much experience with Vult, but I definitely do not put weird gambitting past him. I specifically remember him (as Town) creating wagons he had no intention of lynching, just to observe people and 180 onto the actual Scum. If he's willing to do that, he'd be confident enough as Scum in his ability to get a wagon he made off his scummate.

this is tru but I'd actually be fully satisfied with lynching Kary.

also, this describes your lack of comment w/r/t fe to me. if you want to engage with me, that's a pretty good starting point

I noticed his post but I don't feel strongly about him. I remember he made similar posts (like.... stating the obvious and posting in a particularly open and straightforward way) in the last game I played with him.

 

[Vult Redux]

Yeah, why don't you? If Kary knows Bardull, and something feels off about it to Kary, then it makes some amount of sense from Kary's PoV, as flimsy as it is. I wouldn't ever suspect someone for that, and neither would you, but we're both not Kary.

You're correct that it's not really reasonable, but what would possibly suggest to me that the person who was faking a Korean post restriction is playing reasonably?

Maybe I'm not estimating Kary's experience right... I don't know if I've played with them or if this is a changed username or what

 

[DtJ S2n]

Oh hey neat posting restrictions. Huge unfan of Kary faking it and backing off. Nabe is old school enough and uTrickd is ruleless enough to include them so i would've believed it. But w/e if you picked a kpop idol as your char you probably wanted to live that dream.

For what it's worth I'm a terribly dirty weeb and am hopelessly familiar with touhou. Marisa if you are looking for the precious thing I want to come forth to says it's me, I'm the most precious thing here.

In serious words I'll assume harmless gimmick for Marisa, dunno what the thing here is but not worth the goose chase to pursue.

More post incoming am on mobile

 

[Dooplissity]

I noticed his post but I don't feel strongly about him. I remember he made similar posts (like.... stating the obvious and posting in a particularly open and straightforward way) in the last game I played with him.

coolio. this is why I asked if that was his typical tone, but for some reason, nobody wanted to reply to it. given that + finding out it is his typical, staying on him gives me the heebies.

Can we compromise on vote Maven? I really don't like his 211, both because it points us in the wrong direction w/r/t Marisa, and also because he dodges commenting on the rest of the gamestate with the Marisa-focused wall.

Maybe I'm not estimating Kary's experience right... I don't know if I've played with them or if this is a changed username or what

for sake of clarity, I'm not saying what I'm saying because I know Kary and think it's his style, I'm saying it because I don't know him, so anything could be his style. I've got no idea how experienced or not he is, but the little I have to go on being mostly Hangul does not indicate "paragon of restrained thought" to me.

 

[DtJ S2n]

Doopliss I'm on same spot with maven. Inactivity during day for work is fine and dandy, understandable but a vote on Marisa in principle means jackall and there's no excuse on there being no other leads here. Lazyboi.

Fwiw Kary (sloppy reads list) and I guess Shishoe (weird attitude towards Kary) are at the top of my lynch list.

ill contrast and say I like Shishoe's reads and analytics so far but was actually sketched by Poke in the same conversation between the two. Going back to reread this interaction next

I see nothing about her being possessed or taken over, meaning I see no reason for the slot's claim about "someone could become me" to make sense. I don't get it at all, and hate this sort of WIFOM it generates. I'd be happier just voting the slot off so we never have to deal with it again. This isn't the type of mafia I enjoy.

Vote: Mira Kirsame [/QUOTE]

I can understand not liking jank but I know you should be veteran enough to play around it. please come back soon and comment.

 

[DtJ S2n]

For the sake of visibility my vote is on Maven and at the time this seems best.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Maybe I'm not estimating Kary's experience right... I don't know if I've played with them or if this is a changed username or what

The only game I recall is the one where I hydra'd with Rake (as Kraken Puns); Earthbound Mafia

 

[DtJ S2n]

I'm going to go and make dinner, but so far;

scum leanings on;
Bardull; doesn't feel right that he would vote me in RVS. I want to know what the reason was.
Opossum; their one opening post didn't fill me with confidence.
Poyzin; following me in posting in Korean is okay in theory, but I felt they had nothing to say other than that.

I'm real curious what you even get from an answer to "why did you RVS vote me" as opposed to any other practical questions you could ask. Not trying to squish the discussion, he can answer if he wants but I don't see how this read is more than OMGUS

I personally liked Kary's reads. I think for D1 hipshot scum reads they're decent observations. I'm curious why Barney would vote her for RVS as well, Poyzin hasn't contributed much (although we should be capping on Maven if we're looking towards inactives), and Opo hasn't said much either. All three could be looked into more. Kary's good in my book.

even more curious what you get from it. Am I missing something about the meta here and bardull should normally be kissing up to Kary?

I like that you are treating me as a person instead of some anomaly, but rest assured I am on your side and I don't mean to be confusing! I am a real person and I am trying to communicate with you and everyone else in this game.

konnichiwa marisa-san. You may be the most interesting person here but please talk less about yourself, your ego is showing.

 

[BarDulL]

I just woke up from a 3 hour nap (kind of groggy), but:

The defense of Marisa’s slot from some of the players here is weird. Not all of you can be scum, so I am not saying with any certainty that any of you are because of it, but the defense seems groundless and is getting in the way. Bottom line: Marisa is 100% a puppet role of sorts based on the context of how they joined the game as well as their empty posting history/lack there of. The last time this kind of role was used, it was part of an independent abomination in Persona 4 mafia. From my point of view, this slot could be a serious menace and isn’t withstanding of criticism. That said, it is eerie to me that players like Shish, Doop, Pokechu are quick to join Marisa’s defense.

#HBC | Kary , why wouldn’t I vote for you?