Unpopular Smash Ultimate Opinions! - Read the OP before Posting

[Venclaire]

i would definitely kill off young link and toon link from the game if it meant we got a genuine zelda rep that isnt just two other links

 

[Ryu Myuutsu]

My point is that just being an alternate form of a main character doesn't automatically make a character a "mainstay", especially if said form only appeared in one main-line game and would have been largely forgotten if not for Smash itself. It'd be like if Rookie from Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga got in because he's technically Bowser, therefore he's automatically the second most relevant Mario character, even though the character himself is a largely forgotten one-off. Would Rookie be a mainstay as well?

I don't know man, SS Goku is pretty much a mainstay in most DB games despite being an alternate form of a main character.

 

[Oddball]

Bandana dee is everything more than any toad or goomba will ever be. But please take that argument to the speculation threads (Although I will say that opinion is incredibly unpopular so I guess it belongs here).

This isn't the topic to be telling other people their opinion is wrong. Especially when your opinion is wrong.


Thinking about it for a little bit, I'm not against more Fire Emblem anime swordsmen.

What I am against is more Fire Emblem anime swordsmen that look, fight, and dress so similarly.

Looking at Final fantasy (and their own fighting game which has that weird name I always misspell) Cloud doesn't look or fight like Squall, Tidus, or Cecil. Why can't Fire Emblem show some more variety in their character design?

 

[osby]

i would definitely kill off young link and toon link from the game if it meant we got a genuine zelda rep that isnt just two other links

Thanks goodness cutting off clones won't magically create new, unique characters.

(Also, is it an unpopular opinion?)

 

[31fps]

Ppl make fun of them but to me, the hat Goomba/Captain Goomba/Goomba with something on their head arguments against Bandana Dee are absolutely valid. Captain Goomba (from Superstar Saga remake) is basically the same thing than Bandana Dee to me, and he even wins in personality. He only doesn't have the popularity

All three of those arguments are incredibly insensible and wrong. How could you say they're valid? BWD has been a major Kirby character for a decade and has been deemed the "P4" of Kirby. Captain Toad has one game that was ported twice. Whoever "Captain Goomba" is is clesy not an important Mario character if they only appeared in one game and never saw the light of day again.
And even logistically BWD can do so much more than a goomba or toad could. It's not just that he has arms and a spear, he could also use the parasol, beam weapons, or even his energy attacks from his team attack in RtDL. I'm not going to go any more in depth but you should get the idea.

This isn't the topic to be telling other people their opinion is wrong. Especially when your opinion is wrong.


Thinking about it for a little bit, I'm not against more Fire Emblem anime swordsmen.

What I am against is more Fire Emblem anime swordsmen that look, fight, and dress so similarly.

Looking at Final fantasy (and their own fighting game which has that weird name I always misspell) Cloud doesn't look or fight like Squall, Tidus, or Cecil. Why can't Fire Emblem show some more variety in their character design?

How could you call his opinion wrong if you're also saying not to judge opinions.
Hypocrite.

 

[Ze Diglett]

I don't know man, SS Goku is pretty much a mainstay in most DB games despite being an alternate form of a main character.

Now you're conflating "alternate forms of main characters aren't necessarily mainstays" with "alternate forms of main characters can't be mainstays". I stand by the former, but not the latter.

 

[PrincessToadstool]

Most of my hype revolves around potential echo fighters (Medusa, Dixie, Malos, Birdo, Hilda, Shadow, Funky Kong, Viridi, Ninten, Black Knight, Raichu, etc.) rather than the unique fighter big picks. But I'd also love if any of them had a shot at being unique.

For unique fighters, Incineroar all the way for Pokémon Rep! He's awesome and one of my favorite pokemon.

 

[YoshiandToad]

All three of those arguments are incredibly insensible and wrong. How could you say they're valid? BWD has been a major Kirby character for a decade and has been deemed the "P4" of Kirby. Captain Toad has one game that was ported twice. Whoever "Captain Goomba" is is clesy not an important Mario character if they only appeared in one game and never saw the light of day again.
And even logistically BWD can do so much more than a goomba or toad could. It's not just that he has arms and a spear, he could also use the parasol, beam weapons, or even his energy attacks from his team attack in RtDL. I'm not going to go any more in depth but you should get the idea.

How could you call his opinion wrong if you're also saying not to judge opinions.
Hypocrite.

Captain Toad has been a maystay character since Mario Galaxy, has his own game and was playable in Mario 3D World.
So he's also been around for a decade and has largely replaced 'Toad' in the mainline 3D games since Galaxy, arguably since Sunshine before he was given the name since the Toad Brigade existed there too.

Captain Toad also has the unique pickaxe powerup and is one of the only Mario characters who can easily kill Boos.

My unpopular opinion;
Bandana Waddle Dee fans don't need to try and undermine Captain Toad and understate his importance to bolster their own.
The two are basically equivalents; important members of their species with unique headgear and weaponry. As a fan of both I see a lot of hypocrisy in that regard. I blame Gamexplain partially for this as their Smash Court video really angered the fans.

Also **** it, I'm not even against unique Goombas or Koopa Troopas getting in if they get development in the main games. People seem fine with King Boo despite him being just a big Boo with a unique headgear.

I'd take more unique species designs in general. When I think Nintendo I often think about the weird and wacky species designs. That's half the appeal to me of these games.

 

[SmashBro99]

I hope this is Sakurai's last smash game

WAIT HEAR ME OUT

He's done an amazing job on the games, working hard to please the fans and all, I'd just love to see what someone else with a different perspective on things could do with it.

So I'm board with the next game being a reboot with a new developer making the calls.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I hope this is Sakurai's last smash game

WAIT HEAR ME OUT

He's done an amazing job on the games, working hard to please the fans and all, I'd just love to see what someone else with a different perspective on things could do with it.

So I'm board with the next game being a reboot with a new developer making the calls.

Smash will definitely continue but I can see Sakurai stepping down after this one with someone else taking his place.

 

[SmasherMaster]

I think the "Goomba with a hat" argument is a ridiculous one. And one doesn't even need to bring up Toad or Captain Toad, because the other generic Mario ally has been in every Smash game since the start.

 

[Oddball]

How could you call his opinion wrong if you're also saying not to judge opinions.
Hypocrite.

That was the joke.

Have you never heard of hypocritical humor before?

 

[thirsty-pocket]

I think the idea of a character that needs to summon things or summon other characters, or very quickly transform or change costume in order to pull off one non final famsh move are terrible ideas. I know a few characters already on the roster do summon things like Peach and Duck Hunt, but it doesn't mean I have to like it. And I know Pac-Man changes shape for an attack, but it suits him, I don't think we should get things like, Eevee evolving back and forth to do different elemental attacks, or Toad putting on the propeller suit for his recovery and then changing back.

 

[captainghost07]

I can't believe people are still disappointed at Sakurai for everything he's done Someone even made a thread, "Prepare to be disappointed," that's currently trending in the general discussion. How could you be disappointed with this game?

Well i'm disappointed in the newcomers for this game. Too many of the characters I feel came from the Smash ballot, while its great that some of the people's most wanted characters are here. Many of the top ballot characters are one's I don't really care for. I fall into the group who's most wanted characters have little fan demand behind it, characters like Elma or Lloyd Irving.

I guess the best way to sum it up is that in past Smash games Sakurai put in characters based on fan demand while also adding characters who he wanted to see also, which gave characters with a lesser fan backing an opportunity. But in Ultimate it just seems like if your character wasn't top 20 in ballot then better luck next time. It's quite sad that the thing that has me most excited about the game so far is the potential story mode and stage morphing. Hopefully the dlc will include newer characters that came out after the ballot like Rex and Pyra and Linkle.

 

[Deleted member]

*looks at Mewtwo*

Oh, how true, all cut characters are unimportant side characters, I forgot.

And there's a reason why he was the first DLC character, because after he was cut there was much fan outcry, demands for his return, and gnashing of teeth.

Sure, but these characters are mainstays due to being iconic within Smash, not due to being arbitrarily tethered to another, more important character. Similarly, if Sheik is a mainstay, which I'd argue she isn't, it's not because "she's Zelda."

Agreed. The thing about Sheik is, and this differs even more from characters like Jigglypuff or Captain Falcon, people really only cared about her because she was the "better half" (gameplay-wise and competitively) of Zelda. Back in Melee days, no one played Zelda. Everyone who chose Zelda immediately transformed into Sheik because she was faster and easier to win with. (I may be exaggerating, but the trend is still true.)

Whereas Jigglypuff was still popular in the anime, and Captain Falcon and the others are the sole representatives of their series, Sheik was added as a part of Zelda because they only had one 3D Zelda game to go off of, and it was a great gimmick. But Sheik as an alter ego of Zelda has now become a relic of the past...and besides that, Sheik's moveset does not represent her appearance in OoT at all. Where's the harp? I mean even Hyrule Warriors got that right. At the end of the day we have a one-off character that doesn't represent their series well and who only became popular because people like to win, not because they like the character. Wouldn't miss her at all if she was cut. Good riddance.

 

[TheBean]

I think that FE music is terrible and Sonic music is even worse.

 

[GalacticPetey]

To me, saying Bandana Dee is a "Goomba with a hat" is on the same level as saying Ridley is "too big" or Isaac is a "generic anime swordsman". All these statements come off as uninformed and lazy.

 

[thirsty-pocket]

Everyone says "Sakurai HAS to do this" "he HAS to do that", example, he HAS to announce a really bombastic hype inducing character for the final reveal. This fandom acts like Sakurai has anything to prove to suck the money out of our wallets. Sakurai has us by the balls, not the other way around. Anyone who would actually boycott the game because one out of five hundred features in the game is something they disagree with is just piss in the ocean.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Everyone says "Sakurai HAS to do this" "he HAS to do that", example, he HAS to announce a really bombastic hype inducing character for the final reveal. This fandom acts like Sakurai has anything to prove to suck the money out of our wallets. Sakurai has us by the balls, not the other way around. Anyone who would actually boycott the game because one out of five hundred features in the game is something they disagree with is just piss in the ocean.

From what I can remember, the last revealed newcomer for each Smash has never been the hypest of the lot.

For examples:

64:
Melee:
Brawl:
Smash 4 base:

None of those characters above are grand finale type tier characters by any means. No offense to people who love and play these characters.

 

[Mogisthelioma]

I think that FE music is terrible and Sonic music is even worse.

Preach it!

 

[StormC]

Well i'm disappointed in the newcomers for this game. Too many of the characters I feel came from the Smash ballot, while its great that some of the people's most wanted characters are here. Many of the top ballot characters are one's I don't really care for. I fall into the group who's most wanted characters have little fan demand behind it, characters like Elma or Lloyd Irving.

I guess the best way to sum it up is that in past Smash games Sakurai put in characters based on fan demand while also adding characters who he wanted to see also, which gave characters with a lesser fan backing an opportunity. But in Ultimate it just seems like if your character wasn't top 20 in ballot then better luck next time. It's quite sad that the thing that has me most excited about the game so far is the potential story mode and stage morphing. Hopefully the dlc will include newer characters that came out after the ballot like Rex and Pyra and Linkle.

Isabelle certainly wasn't picked from of the ballot. I mean, I dunno how else the rest of the roster will shake out, but I wouldn't count Elma or Lloyd out yet.

 

[osby]

Isabelle certainly wasn't picked from of the ballot. I mean, I dunno how else the rest of the roster will shake out, but I wouldn't count Elma or Lloyd out yet.

If you think Isabelle had no support in the ballot, you are living in denial. Not all voted characters were 20th century platforming characters.

 

[StormC]

If you think Isabelle had no support in the ballot, you are living in denial. Not all voted characters were 20th century platforming characters.

"not picked from the ballot" =/= "no ballot support"

Isabelle obviously received some votes on the ballot, but comparable to the characters we have in the game? Probably not. She was picked for reasons outside of the ballot, if I had to guess.

Also, where did I say anything about 20th century platforming characters? It seems like you talk more about K. Rool than I do.

 

[osby]

"not picked from the ballot" =/= "no ballot support"

Isabelle obviously received some votes on the ballot, but comparable to the characters we have in the game? Probably not. She was picked for reasons outside of the ballot, if I had to guess.

Also, where did I say anything about 20th century platforming characters? It seems like you talk more about K. Rool than I do.

I literally didn't say his name.

 

[Flyboy]

-I'm crazy excited for this game. Even if we get no newcomers I'm satisfied that it's not just a port. I didn't get to play much of 4 on the Wii U and this just seems so much better. Even if we don't get anyone in my signature I'll be happy because the game is just massive and I want to play it forever.

-Speculation is part of what's making this all so fun for me but some of these requests I see are completely insane. Yes, I'm aware I support an incredibly obscure N64 character. I never said I wasn't a hypocrite.

-I'd unironically love if they added Anna from Fire Emblem.

-I was over the moon with excitement when they added Bayonetta and I feel she's more than earned her spot because of Platinum's devotion to the Wii U.

-I love third-parties, but I want Nintendo reps and Nintendo-tied characters to get in first before any other major additions.

-I only want Rayman in if they also include the Rabbids. Logically I understand that Rayman 2 and Origins and Legends were big for Nintendo but when the Wii launched the Rabbids were everywhere and Kingdom Battle was a great game. To me, Rayman without Rabbids in his moveset wouldn't be "Nintendo", but as a whole package, absolutely. That's just my Wii bias speaking, though.

-It's absolutely criminal Travis Touchdown doesn't have more supporters. He (and SUDA51) was one of the Wii's unsung heroes. There's a reason SUDA was given a special thanks in Brawl.

 

[osby]

-I'm crazy excited for this game. Even if we get no newcomers I'm satisfied that it's not just a port. I didn't get to play much of 4 on the Wii U and this just seems so much better. Even if we don't get anyone in my signature I'll be happy because the game is just massive and I want to play it forever.

-Speculation is part of what's making this all so fun for me but some of these requests I see are completely insane. Yes, I'm aware I support an incredibly obscure N64 character. I never said I wasn't a hypocrite.

-I'd unironically love if they added Anna from Fire Emblem.

-I was over the moon with excitement when they added Bayonetta and I feel she's more than earned her spot because of Platinum's devotion to the Wii U.

-I love third-parties, but I want Nintendo reps and Nintendo-tied characters to get in first before any other major additions.

-I only want Rayman in if they also include the Rabbids. Logically I understand that Rayman 2 and Origins and Legends were big for Nintendo but when the Wii launched the Rabbids were everywhere and Kingdom Battle was a great game. To me, Rayman without Rabbids in his moveset wouldn't be "Nintendo", but as a whole package, absolutely. That's just my Wii bias speaking, though.

-It's absolutely criminal Travis Touchdown doesn't have more supporters. He (and SUDA51) was one of the Wii's unsung heroes. There's a reason SUDA was given a special thanks in Brawl.

It's sad if these are unpopular opinions because I agree with pretty much all of them. Especially Bayonetta, she's a great character and pretty much Nintendo exclusive at this point. Was one of my favourite guest fighter additions.

 

[StormC]

I literally didn't say his name.

Give it time.

Also, Inkling was obviously popular on the ballot and decidedly not from a 20th century platforming game... unless I'm in Universe B suddenly.

 

[osby]

Give it time.

Also, Inkling was obviously popular and the ballot and decidedly not from a 20th century platforming game... unless I'm in Universe B suddenly.

So was Isabelle.

 

[31fps]

I wish people would stop comparing their most wanted's to a clearly lesser choice and then say "Look, now they deserve to be in."

It's completely subjective, and the common argument for most anime-style characters.

 

[captainghost07]

Isabelle certainly wasn't picked from of the ballot. I mean, I dunno how else the rest of the roster will shake out, but I wouldn't count Elma or Lloyd out yet.

Isabelle is the exception, I think her inclusion is one of two things
1. To market Animal Crossing Switch (ala Corrin in Smash 4)
2. She is quickly becoming the new Rosalina, where she is being put and marketed in everything for Nintendo

 

[Venclaire]

I find it extremely hype when leaks get proven to be real. Especially when it is proven by a Nintendo Direct / Official Announcement.

Vergeben hasn't been wrong up until this point so I don't get hype over his leaks anymore, but when it comes to random leaks being proven, I get extremely hype. Don't know why.

Leaks amplify my hype honestly

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Isabelle certainly wasn't picked from of the ballot. I mean, I dunno how else the rest of the roster will shake out, but I wouldn't count Elma or Lloyd out yet.

You know what confirmed Ultimate newcomers who had Mii costumes in Smash 4? , ,,. You what new Assist Trophies in Ultimate that had Mii costumes in Smash 4? Zero and Knuckles.

So honestly, I think the DLC Mii costumes in Smash 4 give us the better view of the true results of the Ballot worldwide more so than Source Gaming's giant collective data poll they gathered from polls from places all over the internet worldwide.

A lot of Japanese fans wanted Isabelle and so did a lot of casual fans, so she was a contender in the Ballot for sure.

 

[War Anvil]

Vergeben's leaks don't count Decidueye or Lycanroc out until Sakurai reveals that Incineroar is the Gen 7 rep.

I'd be interested to see more competitive players bring Pro Controllers to play Ultimate. I honestly don't think Joycons would have a chance given they belong to their owner's Switch dock and handheld, but we'll see.

 

[Deleted member]

Vergeben's leaks don't count Decidueye or Lycanroc out until we know Incineroar is the Gen 7 rep.

All his sources agree it's Incineroar, so as of a few weeks ago, they do.

 

[War Anvil]

All his sources agree it's Incineroar, so as of a few weeks ago, they do.

I see where you're coming from, I just said that only Sakurai could ever show us if Incineroar is Gen 7's playable mon.

 

[Deleted member]

I see where you're coming from, I just said that only Sakurai could ever show us if Incineroar is Gen 7's playable mon.

While this is true and is thus not an unpopular opinion, there's no mention of Sakurai at all in your post. You might want to reword it.

 

[SmashBro99]

If we get Minecraft Steve I've lost all hope xD

Definitely a series that would be more appropriately represented with a blocky stage instead of a blocky fighter, no?

Just how Ridley was better represented as a boss (well, that's probably more unpopular than the Minecraft stuff but there it is)

 

[Mogisthelioma]

I think Steve from Minecraft would be bad. I've heard so many arguments saying he'd be good but I just don't want him in. He'd be terrible.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

What's so appealing about Steve anyways? He looks so generic looking like this normal average looking guy but blocky.

He honestly works better as an assist or stage character which is how he should be and as people pointed out he has no character going for him which is why he's a bad choice.

 

[Ze Diglett]

On the topic of the block man of the year, Steve would probably one of the worst possible choices at this point (not counting non-video game characters like Goku or Shrek) and if Minecraft is represented in Smash at all, it should get a stage, maybe an AT, but definitely not a character. Just because a series is big enough to "warrant" a character doesn't mean it should get one, especially if it's like Minecraft and the only "character" to speak of is the most generic placeholder avatar this side of Villager.