Unpopular Smash 4 Opinions v2.0 - Read the OP before posting!

[Ursaguy]

First post! Here it goes.

-Lucas is my Brawl main. I don't think I'll really miss him all that much.
-The series most over represented isn't Mario or KI. It's Fire Emblem.
-Palutena's trailer is really bad. The 2D just looks ugly.
-I get that it's a very small minority, but I still hate all the people complaining about Captain Falcon being the only F0 character. You're lying to yourself if you ever believed that a dead franchise would get a second character with no new game set up.
-I still wish Tom Nook was the AC rep.
-The 3DS will end up having a longer lasting meta game than the WiiU version because of how fast you can have people play.
-The transformation Final Smashes are really lame.
-Ripley doesn't fit with the tone of Smash Bros. It's too pure evil. There's no character to work with.
-As much as I loved many of the cut characters, I'm far more excited to play as Little Mac than I am upset at any character getting the boot.
-Snake was never going to be in this game.
-Having the 3DS version come out first will hurt nintendo's plan of using the game to move WiiU units.
-This isn't really unpopular, but it's almost entertaining watching these insane people fight over how much the roster sucks because their individual favorite didnt make the cut.
-Dr. Mario is better than regular Mario and thus justifies a spot.
-The leaker could've easily photoshopped a couple of individual icons on the character select screen.
-I actually wish there were more old stages. Being back Fountain of Dreams!
-I'd rather have smash never touch DLC than to have Lucas and Ice Climbers as DLC.
-I think Duck Hunt Dog is the worst new character. It'll be good for a WTF laugh now and then, but I don't see it being very viable. I've always viewed the vintage characters are charming, but never something I'd actually use.
-The game needs way less sword fighters.

 

[RadiantTactician]

*prepares flame shield* Let's do this!

- There are several Pokémon I would prefer seeing over Mewtwo. Never liked him in the games, still don't like him in Smash.
- DHD looks like the best 'out-there' character of the series, imo.
- I've always preferred Wolf of the Star Fox characters, just because of his personality and power. Bummed that the annoying bird will make it in over him.
- Other than Doctor Mario (and Falco), I really like the 'clones' so far. It's kinda unfair that Smash gets lambasted for clones when other fighters include them perfectly fine.
- Don't care about Ice Climbers, and I definitely won't miss them either.

 

[aldelaro5]

To those complaining about Sakurai's favoritism, consider this:
Say you were to work on a group project, but you were the one doing the majority of the work. Wouldn't you want your work to stand out the most since you're putting the most effort? I certainly would (and have).

Ok, I need to say this as I'm honestly tired of seeing "Sakurai is biased, BURN HIM!" (ok, not that much intense, but you get the idea). Like, just look repping as a whole: it's way better because it's o broad noe even for already existing series.

So:

 

[D-idara]

- Even though I don't care about the Ice Climbers and don't use them, having a Smash game without the ICs after Melee and Brawl feels WRONG.

 

[Opossum]

Time for a new batch of unpopular opinions. :D

- I hold no ill will toward character additions, but only to character omissions.
- I still think Wolf can be in the game, considering he was the last unlockable in Brawl (I've seen enough dissenting opinions to consider this unpopular, sadly).
- I will miss Lucas, but I think he stands a shot at DLC if Mario Kart 8 is any indication (see Wolf notice).
- The Chorus Kids are the only non-leaked newcomers I still have hope for. I also believe the "last stage spot" is a Rhythm Heaven stage based on DS or Tengoku.
- If the Ice Climbers are truly out of the 3DS version, and in turn out of the Wii U, when the Wii U can obviously handle them, I feel Sakurai has failed immensely as a director in this regard, and would wish that the 3DS version wouldn't exist should I find a genie lamp. And then wish for more wishes (and if I can't do that, more genies ). Yeah. I would miss them that much.
- R.O.B. never had a shot at being cut. Deal with it, haters.
- I'm still hoping for Chrom DLC with a Morgan=Alfonzo situation.

 

[Substitution]

-I believe Lucas and Wolf didn't have a reason to be cut. There's just nothing pointing to them to be cut (at least to my knowledge).
-I like Dr. Mario. Even if he is a clone.
-There's a part of me that believes the Unknown Renders Leak is fake.

 

[Solbliminal]

-I hate the idea of the Mario series getting more characters. Rosalina was pressing it, and Bowser Jr. was overkill.
-I would have preferred Paper Mario over any Mario character, because he would at least represent a branch series that has distinguished itself from the main series.
-I don't find Dr. Mario deserving to return as a veteran more than any character leaked so far. He should've just been a costume.
-I am disappointed that Roy got cut in Brawl, yet we get Lucina as an even more visually boring Marth clone.
-I actually like Lucina, but hoped she would have a unique moveset. Or at the very least, unique animations.
-Kid Icarus Uprising content never bothered me until Dark Pit was leaked. A recolor turned effortless made clone isn't worth adding. However. If Dark Pit is a semi-clone or unique character, I won't be nearly as disappointed in his inclusion and may end up liking him.
-I personally could care less about characters like Ridley and K.Rool, but I still think they deserve to be in the game.
-Regardless if I think K. Rool is deserving, I would much rather have Dixie Kong.
-I would be okay with another Zelda character, if it is Impa or Vaati.
-I am personally happy with how Shulk looks in his leaked gameplay so far.
-I like the idea of Duck Hunt Dog being a playable character.
-I'm disappointed to see a lack of Custom Robo playable representation, since it has had decent representation (Namely Trophies) since Melee and even better representation in Brawl (More Tropies, Stickers, and an Assist Trophy).
-I'm quite surprised that Golden Sun didn't get a character in Brawl, but I don't expect to see a Golden Sun character in Smash 4 because of this.
-Aside from Dr. Mario, I hate the idea of any veterans being ditched in the transition from Melee and Brawl to Smash 4.

-Despite any of my own qualms, I know I'll still greatly enjoy Smash 4.

 

[Wazygoose]

-The game would be better if Sakurai would have been replaced with another director: his approach is that he makes games he wants to make first, and makes games that people want to play second
-Snake is unique, Shulk is just another Fire-Emblem-type sword user
-If Paper Mario and Ghirahim were playable, I would be 100% happy with whatever the rest of the roster would be
-Kid Icarus is overrepresented by its fanboy creator
-Wolf is cooler than Falco

 

[Opossum]

-Kid Icarus is overrepresented by its fanboy creator

Gunpei Yokoi died before Smash Bros. was even released.



Sakurai didn't create Kid Icarus. He only made Uprising. I guess you can say he made the modern Kid Icarus, but eh. Minor nitpick.

 

[aldelaro5]

Well, since it seems to somehow be very unpopular:

Paper Mario is NOT unlikely.

I really don't understand the jump to this conclusion. Let's view it by segment:

"Bowser jr and dr mario are in = no slot for him left".

Ah, not this repping argument AGAIN! Because if my memory is correct, we saw not 3, not 2, but 4 Fire emblem rep. Let's be honest, who would have called that? Even myself didn't expect that (but I would if I got the trophy tease). Really, this blew most of expectations and now, you're telling me that we can't see at the same time 6 original characters and a clone with a 7th original character that is even more likely to have his own series while before it ALL happened, we did NOT expect to get more than 6 mario rep while if you count dr mario with bowser jr, that's 7...most expected 5 and some expected 6, but it was a minority. 7 is completely out of most people's expectations and that's even considering that one of them is a clone. If Paper Mario was a Mario rep, what tells you he somehow CANNOT get a slot while you didn't even expected to get 2 more? And considering he's more likely to get his own series (Sakurai teased the stage to be so), it's really illogical and jumping to conclusion.

Tip: Repping does NOT matter in Sakurai's decision enough t play with numbers.

"Being chosen after jr and dr makes him unlikely."

It's not worded exactly like that, but it's implied by saying that he "would have been a better choice". Would? It's been proven already to not be the final roster and you think he's [deconfirmed]?

Perfect, I can live with this, BUT

Provide an OBJECTIVE proof and THEN, we'll talk.

My PM box is open if you want.

Tip: [deconfirmed] means that you can prove by objective facts the deconfirmation of a character. For example, Dilon is [deconfirmed] because he was clearly stated to be an assist trophy on a previous POTD. If such proof doesn't exist, the least you can go is [almost deconfirmed], but then again, you need subjective proof or arguments that would tell you that you have no reasons to believe he CAN be confirmed.

Thanks, I'm done.

Final opinion; people take leaks out of controls to ASSUME what has not been said so, back to sal leak time.

 

[MachoCheeze]

I could give two ****s about Lucas and Wolf.

 

[Vann Accessible]

Putting aside our OCD desires to never ever have cuts.

As far as retro NES representatives go, the Ice Climbers are more obscure than Little Mac, Pit, the Duck Hunt Dog and R.O.B. It still boggles my mind Nana and Popo made it in to the series before these characters.

So, with that in mind, having them potentially cut is not the end of the world.

 

[Wazygoose]

Gunpei Yokoi died before Smash Bros. was even released.



Sakurai didn't create Kid Icarus. He only made Uprising. I guess you can say he made the modern Kid Icarus, but eh. Minor nitpick.

Yooouuuuu know what I meaaaaaaaan.

 

[Substitution]

Gunpei Yokoi died before Smash Bros. was even released.



Sakurai didn't create Kid Icarus. He only made Uprising. I guess you can say he made the modern Kid Icarus, but eh. Minor nitpick.

Sure, but even then Palutena would've been enough. And if we did have to get another character, why not Hades or Medusa? At least they would bring something new to the table (and we would get another villain). Why Dark Pit?

 

[Opossum]

Sure, but even then Palutena would've been enough. And if we did have to get another character, why not Hades or Medusa? At least they would bring something new to the table (and we would get another villain). Why Dark Pit?

All I said was Sakurai didn't invent Kid Icarus. D: I never mentioned any of that, haha.

To keep this on topic...

-I actually really liked the Chronicle. Yeah, it was pointless, but still. I hope it returns on the Wii U.

 

[Substitution]

Admittedly, I did wish for customizable music (like being able to import your own music).

 

[ShrekItRalph]

If we get character DLC, I want new characters that haven't been playable in Smash before, rather than bringing back cut vet's.

 

[Waterwraith]

Here's an unpopular opinion: People getting so pissed at Sakurai and questioning his worth as a game designer over Smash 4's roster are pathetic.

The roster is, all things considered, perfectly fine.

 

[Flaxr XIII]

-The game would be better if Sakurai would have been replaced with another director: his approach is that he makes games he wants to make first, and makes games that people want to play second

Yeah I know, right? The nerve of that guy. How dare he enjoy making a game!?!

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

Yeah I know, right? The nerve of that guy. How dare he enjoy making a game!?!

*ahem*

*points at thread title*

 

[Wazygoose]

Yeah I know, right? The nerve of that guy. How dare he enjoy making a game!?!

Yooou know that's not what I meaaaaan. I didn't say "enjoy", I said he makes games he wants to make--as in, if he personally wants to do something with a game, he'll do it regardless of what others think or how it might impact things, just as long as he thinks it's cool. And he won't add features that disagree with his personal preferences. His particular artistic vision for Smash has heavily influenced the direction the game has gone in, and I disagree with a lot of choices he makes. What I meant was that the game could have had a better artistic vision to strive for except for Sakurai *laughs*.

 

[ChikoLad]

Yooou know that's not what I meaaaaan. I didn't say "enjoy", I said he makes games he wants to make--as in, if he personally wants to do something with a game, he'll do it regardless of what others think or how it might impact things, just as long as he thinks it's cool. And he won't add features that disagree with his personal preferences. His particular artistic vision for Smash has heavily influenced the direction the game has gone in, and I disagree with a lot of choices he makes. What I meant was that the game could have had a better artistic vision to strive for except for Sakurai *laughs*.

You just described how the development of every game ever works. Congrats. Except the part where you imply Sakurai listens to nobody else, we know for a fact that isn't true. Sonic is in because fans wanted him, and Pac-Man is in because Miyamoto wanted him. There are likely many more instances like this for characters, and game mechanics are heavily influenced by feedback.

I know we're not supposed to call out other people's unpopular opinions, but please make sure you're stating an unpopular opinion and not a flat out lie. It's fine if you personally disagree with some decisions Sakurai makes (I do too), but the man does a great job of pleasing the majority (the tournament/competitive community is not this).

 

[I_hate_usernames]

After Shulks reveal, I am done with generic J-RPG swordsmen.

 

[Substitution]

Shulk's reveal was okay. But it was really more "Oh look, the leak is legit" more than anything.

 

[JosukeM]

- I've always believed this, but now with Ice Climbers's potential cut, I'm more sure about it: The 3DS version is holding down the Wii U version and it shoudn't exist
- If the pic roster is the final or pre-DLC roster, I'm fine with it except for the potential cut, the only newcomer left on my list was Dixie Kong, but Little Mac, MegaMan and PacMan were on my list too and I'm willing to try Rosalina, Robin and Shulk

 

[Saikyoshi]

• The leak didn't kill my hype for Shulk at all. In fact, I hated Shulk as a character until the trailer. Having low expectations exceeded > having high expectations met.
• I don't really care about Dr. Mario (Dark Pit can go to hell, though.). Especially since he'd likely be more unique from his source than Lucina.
• Though I'm bummed about all the cuts, Snake's cut upsets me the most.
• Why are people suddenly asking for Impa? Hardly anybody even knew who she was until Warriors.

 

[ChikoLad]

Why are people suddenly asking for Impa? Hardly anybody even knew who she was until Warriors.

But she looks SO badass in that game. I'd play as her in Smash.

 

[Wanderer from Roseyard]

I preferred Kongo Jungle, Fourside, Fountain of Dreams, Mute City, Brinstar Depths and Poké Floats to their counterparts that reappeared in Brawl. My hopes aren't high that any of them will come back.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I'm legitimately surprised by the lack of notable comments about Ice Climbers being cut.

 

[Flaxr XIII]

Yooou know that's not what I meaaaaan. I didn't say "enjoy", I said he makes games he wants to make--as in, if he personally wants to do something with a game, he'll do it regardless of what others think or how it might impact things, just as long as he thinks it's cool. And he won't add features that disagree with his personal preferences. His particular artistic vision for Smash has heavily influenced the direction the game has gone in, and I disagree with a lot of choices he makes. What I meant was that the game could have had a better artistic vision to strive for except for Sakurai *laughs*.

Fair enough. You don't agree with Sakurai's philosophy. I can't fault you for that. I'll get yelled at if I did... But saying that he makes games that no one wants to play is pretty inaccurate.
I will say though, if there ever is another Smash Bros later down the line, Sakurai should probably pass on it. Not because I disagree with his design, just for the sake of his health and well being. And to be honest I'm curious to see how any other director would handle it.

I preferred Kongo Jungle, Fourside, Fountain of Dreams, Mute City, Brinstar Depths and Poké Floats to their counterparts that reappeared in Brawl. My hopes aren't high that any of them will come back.

I 100% could not agree more.

 

[Joe73191]

Wii Fit Trainer was not a great choice and Sukapon should have been in instead.

Dr. Mario, Lucina and Dark Pit should have been King K. Rool, Krystal and Black Shadow and with Black Shadow's inclusion Ganondorf could have finally gotten his own moveset.

Duck Hunt Dog's moveset should pay homage to Banjo-Kazooie by having the duck on his back and attacking in the same way he would if it had been Banjo-Kazooie.

Wolf should not be removed.

 

[Shiliski]

If Dark Pit has a different moveset than Pit, I will laugh out loud because he would be an in-theme clone who didn't get cloned.
That said, I think it would be nice if Pit's moveset was changed because of Uprising and Dark Pit retained the old moveset (minus the gliding).
Granted I don't think either of these are particularly likely.

Dr. Mario doesn't bother me if he turns out to be something like Melee Mario and doesn't use the FLUDD.

I'm actually looking forward to playing as Lucina.

 

[Road Death Wheel]

If Dark Pit has a different moveset than Pit, I will laugh out loud because he would be an in-theme clone who didn't get cloned.
That said, I think it would be nice if Pit's moveset was changed because of Uprising and Dark Pit retained the old moveset (minus the gliding).
Granted I don't think either of these are particularly likely.

Dr. Mario doesn't bother me if he turns out to be something like Melee Mario and doesn't use the FLUDD.

I'm actually looking forward to playing as Lucina.

Lol i like FLUDD Xd and i look forward to using it as effectively as possible.

 

[ErenJager]

I like Duck Hunt Dog as a character, his move set/ play style may change that opinion.

I like Dr. Mario as a character, hopefully his move set is increasingly different then Mario. Dr. Mario deserves a spot, he's kind of a big part of Nintendo's history that game is classic. Plus Smash Bro's is celebrating Nintendo/ gaming, it makes sense to see more then one Mario, that's what (in part) gave Paper Mario credibility.

I dislike Dark Pit as a character, I feel this is a direct result of Sakurai's own bias. Palutena was already questionable in my mind, with her bland move set and play style. Dark Pit is similar to that of Dark Link, and would have made a better alt costume for Pit. Kid Icarus hasn't been relevant for as long as other series represented in Smash, yet it has more reps then some franchises already.

I dislike Bowser Jr. as a character, Mario had enough representation. I dislike the Clown Car even more so. Although it's interesting to see a mech-suit type of character, i'm not a fan of it. The possibility he could be interchangeable with the Koopalings is neat but it would obviously mean Bowser Jr.'s move set will be generic so it's fitting for all Koopa's meaning we're losing out on Bowser Jr. canon move set potential from his series. Bower Jr. feels like the direct result of the question "What other Mario rep can we add?", and thus scraping the bottom of the barrel. I would have appreciated a Bowser semi-clone more so than the Clown Car, just knowing it would have taken less dev time.

I think Lucina was one of the more popular choices for a Fire Emblem rep until Sal said Chrom was going to be in it, then she took a back seat in popularity to Chrom. Glad to see her in.

I'm not 100% if Wolf, Lucas, and Ice Climbers have been cut, as it would appear there are five slots left. Plus the alt costume potential of Wolf and Lucas for Fox and Ness is still a possibility.

This game should been giving more dev time. Not saying it's bad or unpolished, but just to fill it out even more.

I don't agree with custom moves because they can't be used online, plus i'd like to see each character be strictly definitive. I think one move set would result in one very well thought out and meaningful move set. If custom moves are a must then only to be purely cosmetic.

I think Sakurai should only add characters that he would want to keep for the next installment of Smash. If a character isn't worth being in every smash since their inclusion, then perhaps the character was never worthy of a spot to begin with. Also this will prevent disappointment from people in the future, if they happen to grow attached to said character.

 

[Wazygoose]

Fair enough. You don't agree with Sakurai's philosophy. I can't fault you for that. I'll get yelled at if I did... But saying that he makes games that no one wants to play is pretty inaccurate. I will say though, if there ever is another Smash Bros later down the line, Sakurai should probably pass on it. Not because I disagree with his design, just for the sake of his health and well being. And to be honest I'm curious to see how any other director would handle it..

Yea, that's the idea! Like, imagine some other director, how would some other person being in charge make it different? I mostly wonder about the entire game focus over all, but also about tiny things like the CSS. Seriously, in the leaked roster, Kid Icarus and Kirby characters are literally right in the middle of the screen! I imagine that with a different director, they wouldn't be given such prominent placement. That's minutiae but it's an example. (Yea, it might not be real, but the mood around here for the time being is that it is).

Lol i like FLUDD Xd and i look forward to using it as effectively as possible.

Ha, forgot that one. Me too!

Edit: missspellling

 

[Eisen]

- Disappointed that it looks like Cave Story won't get any representation in this game, even in ATs. Maybe a trophy... Maybe...
- I am in denial stages of Lucas and Wolf not making it. Ice Climbers too since they've been included since Melee, but moreso Lucas and Wolf. They just made the Mother and Starfox series perfectly represented, I think. But it seems like unless x number of people complain wanting for more characters, they just cut from the series.
- Lucas was my Brawl main and I'll miss him if he's not DLC, but I think his loss is more tragic than anything. I have Shulk, Robin, Samus, Bowser, Villager, Ness, Bowser, Falcon, possibly Doc and Megaman to play as, including others I may not even know I like yet!
- I think even if Pitoo/Dark Pit has a unique moveset, having 3 characters for the KI series is way overkill. One sorta popular game in recent memory and 3 characters get in? Not to say Sakurai doesn't deserve it as someone stated, but I think it's unfair for his series to gain 2 reps when longer-lasting and still pretty popular series like Mother and Starfox get shafted a character each. Like, what the heck is that?
- Pokemon needs to tone it down on the reps along with Mario. Yeah, they're the most popular franchises, but Smash would be a great place to spread information about LESS popular series like Cave Story, Xenoblade ( which is the case obviously), Chibi Robo, Wonderful 101, Splatoon, Shovel Knight, Bravely Default, etc. Granted, some of those are unreleased titles. I'm just making a point here.
- DHD is a nice character addition, but they should have removed ROB to compensate.
- Dr. Mario is acceptable because he's a veteran, but definitely not sliding by in my book without some grievances. I mean, I might even use him if he plays like Melee Doc. Still, I'd be much happier with something less lazy.
- Bowser Jr., while not infuriating, just wasn't necessary. I personally like the character, but my point still stands.

 

[D-idara]

I'm legitimately surprised by the lack of notable comments about Ice Climbers being cut.

They are on a similar situation to MK, people think that because they were OP in one game, they have the right to hate the characters themselves.

 

[Ursaguy]

One more: My most wanted newcomer is a Starfox character with an original moveset. That thing that hasn't happened since the original game. Slippy Toad or radically change Falco's moveset, but they need a character that isn't gun/projectile shield/land master.

 

[Baskerville]

I really find the Shulk vs Isaac "war" to be just as dumb as the "Too many blue haired swordsman" arguement.

 

[Waterwraith]

All this circlejerking over the "big 3" is kind of embarrassing.