Unpopular Smash 4 Opinions v2.0 - Read the OP before posting!

[aldelaro5]

Toon Link was a missed opportunity. I don't mind the character, but the fact that he is still very much a clone. As it stands, he doesn't deserve his spot.

Also, the fact that there are people who have no qualms with characters like Link and Zelda having two versions represented in the roster, while suggesting Paper Mario would be 'too much'. Then again, if PM were to go the same way as Toon Link, I suppose they have a point.

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...What?

Are you saying that people who didn't have any problem with toon link have prolem with Paper Mario? I tough it was the opposite because it doesn't make sense. I tough it was the people who did have problem with toon link that have problem with Paper Mario.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

I wish Toon Link's moveset represented more of the games that he came from, rather than just being a Semi-clone of Link.

 

[Curious Villager]

I don't have any problems with Toon Link and neither do I with Paper Mario.... (But that's getting off the thread's initial purpose)

Anyway uhm....

* I'm okay with semi clones making it in so long as they are handled more or less the same way as they where in Brawl. Being low priority and all for when there isn't enough time anymore to design more unique characters. And if their play styles are remixed enough from their source character.
That said, I'm still very glad they revealed Toon Link early. I could only have taken so much "Toon Link is in teh Spirit Tracks stage therefore he is 100% cut!" nonsense for so long.
* I saw the Mii's coming and I'm cool with them. They are also kinda the closest thing in getting Layton in Smash I suppose.... :/
* I'm cool with Greninja though I kinda would have preferred Zoroark if we had to get a brand new Pokemon newcomer.
* I'm very happy with the appearance of Rosalina in the games (may be unpopular, may be not, guess she generally has mixed feelings I suppose)
* I much prefer Toon Link over Link and I'm glad that he is here to stay.
* I fully respect those who admit that they support certain controversial characters like Chrom, Zoroark, Krystal and Toon Zelda etc.
* I personally feel that the 3DS version looks very good in it's own right. Sure it may not be "ZOMG ETCH DEE!!1" but I like how the overall design has its own charm instead of desperately trying too look like it's Wii U brother.

Uhm, I guess that's it for now. Hopefully I didn't piss off anybody. Ah well. Whatever. *walks away*

 

[SomewhatMystia]

My favorite part about the 3DS game is how outlandish and gimmicky most of them have been. Sure it won't be competitively viable, but I don't think the 3DS has much of a chance for a (large) competitive scene anyway, especially with the Wii U version coming only (hopefully!) a few months later.

So, yeah. Bring on more Pac-Man dot-eating and Golden Plains coin-getting stuff!

also a level based on swapnote would be neat, kind of like pictochat from brawl

 

[civson]

I really hope Solid Snake doesn't return and they can give his bomb and rocket based moves to Jeff from Earthbound.

 

[SomewhatMystia]

I would be 100% okay with Lucas getting cut if we got someone else from Mother 3, like Porky or Duster or Salsa.

 

[Flaxr XIII]

- POTD's that show off Smash Run enemies are the absolute worst. I already know about Smash Run! I don't care! I've played it myself and will play it when the game comes out anyways! I want to discover the enemies and secrets on my own dammit!
- Unlockable characters are most likely going to be mostly veterans again and that's very disappointing. I totally would've been fine if every veteran was starter and the newcomers were unlockable.
- Saying Toon Link should have a moveset based more off of his game is NOT an Unpopular Opinion. EVERYONE wants that!
- Even though Smash 4 won't be Melee 2.0 (which it won't and will never be) there's still going to be a competitive scene. They just won't be as stingy as the Melee players.
- Moveset potential should never be an argument. Wii Fit Trainer, Villager and Miis are proof of that.
Effectiveness of the moveset is another story. That being said, I'm at least glad Miis aren't swinging bats and tennis rackets around.
- I'm waiting for Lucas and ROB to be confirmed to completely screw with everyone's roster speculation again like how Toon Link, Lucario, and Ike did.
- Anna, Palutena, and Rosalina would make the Ultimate Waifu Trifecta and I know I'm not the only one who thinks so!

 

[praline]

I wish Toon Link's moveset represented more of the games that he came from, rather than just being a Semi-clone of Link.

How is that an unpopular opinion?

 

[Sun & Moon]

I actually believe every single character reveled so far is pretty unique, not because of their gimmicky movesets, but because, like every other character, they will bring a new style to the table, I mean, just look at Fox and Falco: despite having visually identicals movesets, they work so diferently that they have completely distinct styles.

 

[Platsy]

I'm still rooting for Crash Bandicoot. I know his chances are almost impossible, but the dream is still real to me, damn it!

 

[Saikyoshi]

• I keep hearing people say that the newcomers aren't as important as those introduced in Melee and Brawl, but I disagree. Yes, Rosalina and Greninja are stupidly minor choices within their franchises, but Villager, Little Mac, Mega Man, and Pac-Man are very important and major additions if you ask me.
• I actually think For Glory is a good option for competitive players. Especially since camping strategies are generally getting nerfed this time around, making Final Destination less skewed.
• I don't like Pac-Man using assist characters. It's too M.U.G.E.N-like.

 

[Dr. James Rustles]

I wish Toon Link's moveset represented more of the games that he came from, rather than just being a Semi-clone of Link.

That is definitely not an unpopular opinion!

 

[YoshiandToad]

• I enjoy speculation as much as I enjoy playing the game.
  
  
• In a similar vein I'll be incredibly happy if the Gematsu Leak proves to be true and we get DLC characters...I can enjoy both aspects at the same time! Although admittedly that is the best part of the leak to me.
  
  
• Whilst I understand people getting upset over their favourite's being deconfirmed(which is not a real word) what I can't contemplate is other people revelling in those fans disappointment.
  All it does is spread bad feelings between fans, and make them actively not want said tormentors character to get in so they can revel in THEIR disappointment back.

 

[Pyra]

DLC characters would be pretty awesome, I'm not going to lie.
And stages.

Sure, the game will be as complete as he wants it to be at launch, but what if somewhere down the line he wants to include DLC fighters? Probably not as amazing as the original roster, but still an official character nonetheless. It would be an interesting and pretty easy way to introduce newer clones characters and, obviously even better, original move-set characters.

 

[Dr. James Rustles]

I actually believe everyone revealed so far is pretty unique, not because because of the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. I have a dream that one day every tech shall be exalted, every Spacie and Puff shall be made low, the saltiness made plain, and the mindgames played straight, and the glory of Smash shall be revealed, and all flesh shall spectate it together.

Oh, nice, I could get behind this.

 

[Zhadgon]

There should be three modes in Online mode:

-) For Glory: Final Destination for all the Stages, no Items, 4 stocks only.
-) For Fun: Like you are playing normally, Items, Final Smash, all stages and timer of 2-5 min.
-) For Action: Costume rulesets, choose which stages have Final Destination and allow to turn on or off the stage hazard of the other stages, select items on or off (even choose which ones), choose your mode Coin Battle, Time Battle, Stock Battle, Team-Tag Battle, etc.

.n_n.

 

[Dr. James Rustles]

There should be three modes in Online mode:

-) For Glory: Final Destination for all the Stages, no Items, 4 stocks only.
-) For Fun: Like you are playing normally, Items, Final Smash, all stages and timer of 2-5 min.
-) For Action: Costume rulesets, choose which stages have Final Destination and allow to turn on or off the stage hazard of the other stages, select items on or off (even choose which ones), choose your mode Coin Battle, Time Battle, Stock Battle, Team-Tag Battle, etc.

.n_n.

Zhadgon, except for the features that don't exist, "For Action" is essentially With Friends mode.

And that's not really an unpopular opinion.

 

[Zhadgon]

Zhadgon, except for the features that don't exist, "For Action" is essentially With Friends mode.

And that's not really an unpopular opinion.

Then I didn´t get at all the modes, still I would like to see a stage where you can choose to turn on or off the stage hazards instaed of transforming all the stages into final destination without their original platforms (Pyrosphere, Willy's Castle, etc.).

I would take Ridley and King K. Rool over Rosalina, Palutena, Chrom or Greninja.

.n_n.

 

[aldelaro5]

So, I don't see that much talk about that but now, it seems to increase so, I never saw anyone bring the following opinion.

- I don't like where someone talks about an SSB5 or any future instalment of the franchise that doesn't exist as of now. (3DS and WiiU is SSB4 for me).

It sounds weird but I don't like when people ASSUMES that the series will continue after a release (the game isn't even released so that's even worse). Mainly because of a quote Sakurai said that is my personal favourite quote from any developer I read. I agree so much with this quote that it changed the way I view sequel or instalments in any series.

Basically, after Sakurai was done with Kirby Air ride, he left his job at HAL and he talked about his reasons in an interview. He said he left because of how worried he was of the state of the industry and that he was looking for more liberty which apparently wasn't enough with HAL. But he also told that he found annoying how people would assume a sequel coming for kirby while an instalment has just been released. And he said this:

"It was tough for me to see that every time I made a new game, people automatically assumed that a sequel was coming. Even if it's a sequel, lots of people have to give their all to make a game, but some people think the sequel process happens naturally."

This is so true that I stopped viewing sequels as a "given". It's not a given because you would need a lot of work behind that and for such a series like smash, A LOT of work for the details. What I mean is that now, this game is very detailed but that's because there was work to make it detailed. I can't assume that it was meant to be but I need to view that as it was well tough, not predictable. Getting this game is in itself is a privilege, not because previous instalments were already released. In fact, Smash is a special series due to how nintendo changes after years just that worth a sequel but it doesn't mean that it has to happen.

That's why I don't like to assume that future instalment will even get released because no one said that it will. I even fell lucky to see this game why would I assume that more is coming? I take what is confirmed as granted not what is desired. If Sakurai wouldn't be there, you could've forgotten about ssb4 and you would never assumed that an instalment is coming.

We can hope for sequel but do we really need to do that while we WILL get a new game? I hope for a paper mario on WiiU but that's because I feel that this series should try to go to his origins while trying to do it differently which the previous instalment imo, failed to do. Hoping for that while sticker star was announced wouldn't make sense and frankly, questionable. Also, if there's no need for a series, there shouldn't be any need for a sequel because at one point, pushing a concept too much will make it redundant.

So, no I don't expect an SSB5 and no I do not think we WILL get one until confirmed.

 

[Cen Silver]

[cutoff]

I wanted to read your post, but that vivid-bright-neo-neon-green nearly blinded me when I saw it...

 

[aldelaro5]

I wanted to read your post, but that vivid-bright-neo-neon-green nearly blinded me when I saw it...

Turn off customs colors because I use it. I won't change it because I just love that and default users don't see it so...

Edit: I think you can only show the one from you and hide the others but not sure.

 

[nessokman]

smash 4 looks better than any other smash thus far.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

That is definitely not an unpopular opinion!

How is that an unpopular opinion?

I should have put that in a different thread. I was hearing talk about Toon Link in the thread earlier (if I remember right) and responded with it.

I did mess up the order of things though.

 

[Substitution]

So, why do we again have to have a Grass starter? I always hear how awful it would be if we didn't. That it would be "an insult to Grass-type fans if they didn't". Well, honestly we don't really need one. We don't need to complete this "incomplete cycle of types" or whatever the cool kids are calling it nowadays.

But fine, maybe we do need one for some strange reason about order. Okay then, how about Ivysaur? Sure, it wasn't exactly perfect in Brawl. But knowing how Charizard got better, Ivysaur could have the same fate. "But they can't! It was cut along with Squirtle! There's just no more hope!". Wait, so we want a Grass starter, but not Ivysaur? And really, they weren't "cut". We just went to that conclusion because they weren't in the trailer with Charizard (which kinda does make sense since they're most likely separate so it's not as big of a deal to have them together). So it's not like it's not possible for Ivysaur to still be in.

Tl;Dr: I don't get why it's such a vital thing that we have to complete the Grass-Water-Fire cycle, nor why we can't have Ivysaur to complete said cycle because we jumped to conclusions.

 

[Super Writer]

I hate large stages, Great Fox, Hyrule Temple, New Pork City, and now joining them is Palutena's Temple.

NPC mostly for it's awful design, and all of them because I hate it when players do nothing but run.

 

[Substitution]

You know, that Gematsu leak has really gotten venomous amongst. Nowadays you'll get flamed for even having a negative opinion on it. Because apparently the leak is some holy truth and anyone who denies it is a blasphemer. I remembered when we could discuss it in peace. Where did those times go?

Look, if you support it, good for you. But you don't have to insult others because they so happen to not like it or don't believe it.

 

[Hong]

This is very nonspecific, but it's better than saying the same thing for several characters, so it I'll go with it.

Maybe your Melee/Brawl main doesn't suck, and it's just a new game and you'll have to relearn them.

 

[Dr. James Rustles]

From a party game perspective, Smash 4 hardly seems to be advancing the series. Smash Run, for example, offers barely any interaction with other players before going back to a gimmicky fight at the end.

 

[TheRealHeroOfWinds]

- If we got Chorus Men they would the most unique character we would get.
- Ridley is over rated, Isaac is where it is at.

 

[Cap'nChreest]

Looking at how the tier list has seemingly flipped is a little bitter-sweet.

As much as I hated always fighting against I'll miss it just as much

 

[Cen Silver]

From a party game perspective, Smash 4 hardly seems to be advancing the series. Smash Run, for example, offers barely any interaction with other players before going back to a gimmicky fight at the end.

Props to you for making me realize this:

I honestly think this Smash is a de-evolution back to the Pre-Brawl games. Back when the characters were still identical to their main series' visuals instead of having a style of their own, and there was no story.

 

[Flaxr XIII]

- All Gematsu has really done is ruin the surprise of Newcomer reveals. Every time a character is revealed I just kinda shrug and say "Yeah I guess that was in the Gematsu thing" or "Damn, that Gematsu was right" (still don't believe in it ) and it sort of diluted my excitement for Palutena's reveal. Rosalina and Greninja are my favorite reveals since they weren't mentioned so they were genuinely a surprise.
- Takamaru support is honestly the biggest bandwagon I've ever seen! Aside from Nintendo Land, I've never heard of this guy before and I'm sure the majority hadn't either.
- The Fire Emblem series has a massive Cast of Snowflakes and Chrom being yet another blue haired swordsman might come off as "lots of blue hair guys" to those unfamiliar to the series.
Lucina is at least a swords-woman but the blue hair is still prevalent.
Robin (who I support more than Chrom at least) seems a bit redundant if he/she were to be as customizable as the Miis. Robin has varying options based on age and height and it seems like a lot more work to transfer your character from your Awakening save file than it is to get from the Mii Maker. I suppose Default or Preset Robins would be an option but that just seems kinda lame...
Anna, Tiki, Michiah, and Tharja, to name a few, would show that there's at least some diversity in the Fire Emblem cast. And I need Anna to complete the Waiforce.
- I'm interested to see if they could have Medusa as Palutena's alternate costume, just with dark effects to her attacks. Same for Dark Pit as a Pit alt. That one seems rather obvious.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I reeeeeeeally hope Dr. Mario is a playable character in Smash Bros., he has got to return with a pill-based unique moveset.

 

[Gravitational23]

Sceptile is a terrible newcomer idea, as "balancing the type triangle" and shamelessly promoting unreleased main series remakes are awful reasons to force in a character with no unique cultural significance prior.

 

[BridgesWithTurtles]

I don't care much about alternate costumes. They're nice to have, but I'd rather have ~10 simple palette swaps than costumes for each character.

 

[Cap'nChreest]

Sceptile is a terrible newcomer idea, as "balancing the type triangle" and shamelessly promoting unreleased main series remakes are awful reasons to force in a character with no unique cultural significance prior.

This is true and it makes me sad that it is true...

 

[D-idara]

- I'd like Sakurai to focus more on actual alternate costumes and disgusting amounts of music than the gameplay tweaks requested at E3.

 

[Substitution]

Referring to this "new reveal" on Monday. I believe it might be a veteran. But if it is a newcomer I hope they're out of left field. My cup made for tears hasn't been full in a while. And this might be my chance.

 

[Gidy]

Megaman is overraterd

 

[Hong]

Focusing on a specific numerical quota of newcomers is lunacy.

The number of new characters being added to a game is never an indication of the effort put into the product and often consequentially the quality of the game. Smash Bros had so many ****ty characters like Ness, a character who has a design that stopped working even during the life-span of SSB64 alone, and he's had the same ****ty design for two more games. Then we get Lucas who more or less felt like a patched Ness? I don't buy that. I rather have just fixed what was wrong with Ness instead of adding another character from the same series who is more or less his spiritual successor (where as Ninten is his predecessor).

Yeah, if you ask me, I rather have them fix glaring issues with the existing roster itself before they add new characters. Some characters can't be fixed with numbers alone. Sometimes they need to be reassessed from the ground up. Characters like Bowser, Yoshi and the newer ZSS receiving much-needed redesigns already makes Smash 4 one of the best entries in the series in my book.

The more of the roster that has actual appeal for use as a character, the more variety the product is going to offer a month after release. Not saying those three characters didn't have a user-base (I have a pocket Bowser for competitive play myself), so much as giving the existing character roster as a whole more love increases the likelihood that more characters will receive a closer level of usability.

Of course there should still be newcomers, but they should come after improving the existing roster. How can you even know what gameplay niches need to be filled when the whole roster does not have a working design? Newcomers should be added based on what the game needs, fighting styles that are lacking and what will create the most interesting play experiences in contrast to what already exists.