Unpopular Smash 4 Opinions - share them here!

[Chandeelure]

-Bandanna Dee will be thrown by Dedede this time round(sorry Chandelure)

OH NO,YOU DIDN'T.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't want Snake to return in this game and I don't want Pac-Man be the third 3rd party character. Instead, I think that should go to Bomberman.

 

[RadRedi]

This seems like a fun thread! Time for a novella...

- I really like Brawl. While it wasn't as big a step up from Melee as Melee was from 64, I feel like that's understandable. Ultimately, I love to play Brawl as much as I love to play Melee.

- It was a relief to know that the broken character in Brawl was Meta Knight. Having my favorite character OP was almost like a personal gift, whereas having a random character I don't know much about as OP would've probably made me hate them.

- I don't want Palutena to be playable. I like her, and everything, but I feel like she would work better as a codec character for Pit. I actually think that would give me more incentive to play as Pit - to listen to their humorous banter.

- I generally hate the idea of third-parties. Mega Man and Sonic are cool, but Snake's inclusion made me feel like Sakurai may be wavering on his only-third-parties-who-are-relevant-to-Nintendo mentality. I mean, if he added Snake just because he's friends with his creator, then what other characters may be thrown his way? Also, I'm not terribly fond of the idea of Pac-Man being playable. I'd get over it, like I did with Snake, but I'd prefer it not happen.

- I think the Wii Fit Trainer was an awesome idea. I did laugh out of confusion while I watched the trailer, but quickly got over it. I also wouldn't mind seeing Miis.

- On that note, I think that the division of "hardcore" and "casual" Nintendo is stupid. Whether you think its too lame for you or not, it's part of Nintendo's history. Even a guy like me - who has played Nintendo consoles all his life and familiarized himself with some of the most obscure titles out there - takes the time to play Wii Fit and Find Mii every now and again. Just because a character doesn't appeal to the tournament-going Smash fanbase doesn't mean that the hypothetical character should be universally labeled an abomination hated by every living soul.

- I want new franchises to be in Smash 4. Not because it's some kind of trend set by Villager, Mega Man, and Wii Fit Trainer, but because pretty much any real Nintendo All-Star who would work as an individual character was added between Melee and Brawl. Ridley, Little Mac, and K. Rool are basically all that's left. Oh ,and Mewtwo. Outside of that, you've got characters who scratch the surface of obscurity, like Chibi Robo and Isaac, and new characters who haven't really been given a chance to be considered an All-Star. I mean, the point of Smash Bros isn't JUST to play as the popular kids. It's to celebrate Nintendo, as whole, not just the parts you already know about.

- I don't think Starfy's possible and hypothetical spot on the roster is threatened just because Luma can do a Galaxy Spin...and is also a star.

- R.O.B., while he may need his moveset and gameplay mechanics fleshed out a little bit, deserves his spot on the roster.

- I think that, if Sakurai wants the roster to keep from just being a snowballing heaping mound of characters, the cast will need to start getting a little more fluid. Like, instead of just adding newcomers, start replacing veterans with newcomers every few entries, while keeping a small and stagnant cast of true All-Stars in each one. As awful as that sounds, it's a possibility we may need to prepare ourselves for. I mean, on the bright side, we could get characters we love that wouldn't have made it in due to being too similar to someone else. And may be they could eventually make a REALLY big game with every character in it. But let's cross that bridge when we get to it.

It's good to get that video game-related stuff off of my chest.

 

[smashbro29]

Character discussions are ultimately pointless because due to DLC every reasonable character will likely make the roster anyways.

 

[Jumpman84]

Related to the point above, I want Smash's DLC (if it has any) to be released a good chunk of time away from the main release. No Day 1 DLC, please.

Any DLC released should be one of the following:
Characters that were worked on, but cut due to time constraints (like the Forbidden Seven)
Characters from previous games not in the present roster (like the Melee Five)
Past stages, music tracks, trophies, and stickers.
New stages, music tracks, trophies, and stickers.
A new single player game called "The Subspace Luigi", which would be a lot like the Subspace Emissary, except that you play through the entire game as Luigi.

I'm only partly joking on that last one.

 

[D-idara]

- I think Third Parties should be considered Nintendo characters on the case of Sonic and Megaman, so they should be treated by the developer with the same respect as other series. (More stages, more items, more representation overall to recognize that they belong in Smash)

- Brawl was a much better game than Melee in almost every way, even competitive, because defensive and offensive playstyles aren't better or worse, it's a matter of opinion.

- Toad's a stupid character idea and Rosalina deserved the spot.

- Geno's an even more stupid idea than Toad.

EDIT: Jumpman, that Subspace Luigi would be actually pretty awesome if Smash were to be released during the Year of Luigi, but the YOL is ending on 8 days

 

[Thor]

- I want Meta Knight buffed, mainly as Sakurai's way of giving Melee people who say the game sucks due to MK the finger (so Sakurai gives all those Brawl-haters the finger). [serious]

- I want Link and Captain Falcon buffed so much they overwhelm Meta Knight. [serious] [Under the assumption C Falcon gets in]

- Brawl was a competitive game/I agree with D-idara. Also calling it "not competitive" is 100% ******** because something is competitive if you can have a way to test who is better (through competition) which is possible in Brawl. [dead serious]

- I hope tripping returns [okay this one is actually a joke].

- I hope Ridley never gets in the game [serious].

- No DLC [serious]

- Some characters I won't even mention I want in (everyone has those I'd guess) (I'll say one - Yuri Lowell anybody?) [serious]

- I hope L-cancelling doesn't return and the lag is just reduced to what L-cancelled lag would be. [serious]

- I want Ice Climbers to exactly the same as Brawl except Sakurai removes their grab [joking - but seriously I don't like those chain grabs...]

- On the same note I want Ice Climbers to have the grab range of Melee Samus extended tether and all their chaingrabs [also joking - that would be SOOOOOOO stupid...]

- I want Falco to have his down-throw chain grab and his melee dair with less duration (and less endlag) [serious]

- I want Pikachu's Melee upsmash power back - and hitboxes out faster. [serious]

- I want Luigi's traction changed to be somewhere around Falco's traction in Brawl (Even though traction is part of what makes Luigi, luigi) [serious]

- I want Diddy Kong's peanuts to bounce after popgun shots [serious].

- I acknowledge most of this is delusional. [serious - I'm not crazy crazy, just crazy]

- Other stuff but I can post later.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

- I think Third Parties should be considered Nintendo characters on the case of Sonic and Megaman, so they should be treated by the developer with the same respect as other series. (More stages, more items, more representation overall to recognize that they belong in Smash)

Xeylode likes this.

- Brawl was a much better game than Melee in almost every way, even competitive, because defensive and offensive playstyles aren't better or worse, it's a matter of opinion.

Xeylode dislikes this.

 

[cephalopod17]

Well, I think Miis have the potential to be a great character, I prefer Brawl over Melee, and Roy is not my boy (I have no attachment to him)

 

[PKBeam]

Mario should be removed from Smash 4
Pacman is a horrible horrible idea, in fact any more 3rd party chars are a horrible horrible idea, except Tails, who is a horrible (just one) idea.
If Ridley for any reason makes it in (especially due to fans spamming Sakurai) I will personally make it my job to invent a 0-death on him with every character.
Mario universe does not need a single more rep, it has (at least) 6 reps, one more would be stealing away from the decent other franchises/games who deserve one (more) rep more than Mario deserves a 7th.
Mewtwo and Zoroark are done, if Pokemon gets another rep it'll be Gen 6 for sure.

 

[StupendousMike]

I don't want to have to unlock any characters or stages. I'm getting older and don't have the time I had in high school and college to spend hours upon hours unlocking all the content. I want a game that I can play every now and then and have fun with my friends, not something I need to dedicate a few weeks of my time to.

 

[Ryan.]

Probably my main unpopular opinion is not wanting Sheik in the game.

 

[volbound1700]

I can think of one, due to speed and no real close combat moves, Megaman is a low tier character since most his moves also have to be charged.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I hate it when websites change. Even if it's better eventually it's like management going into your workstation and changing your chair and rearranging your desk. It's within their rights and you're not gonna quit over it but it's still aggravating. Not sure if this is an unpopular opinion or not. Maybe the rest of humanity is like "yay, different!"

Not specifically referring to this site (though that did bring it on). I preferred the original Brawl Dojo.

 

[abrinx77]

Ok, my turn.
First, Brawl was the better game. I don't care how "competitive" Melee was, I thought (aside from the tripping bs) that the mechanics in Brawl were fine, and that the massive upgrade in content (characters, stages, items, other modes, etc.) made the game that much better. I'd much rather play as a larger, slightly more unbalanced (sans Meta Knight) cast, then have the "perfect balance" of Melee.
Second, Smash 4 will be the superior game, at least in my eyes. I like just about everything Sakurai has said about the game thus far (minus the lack of 3DS/WII U crossplay). The game will look better, play at what should be an acceptable in-between speed for both camps, and have a superior online experience (it is almost literally impossible to have a worse online system then Brawl's was.)
WFT was a great choice, as she represents a series that was huge in the casual market, and that, as much as people hate it, is a huge part of the Smash Bros crowd.
Ridley will not be playable in Smash 4. I know its a stupid argument, but sans the first Metroid (where Ridley was small due to technical limitations) Ridley has always been GIGANTIC. Also, Ridley was established as a boss in Brawl (and twice at that), and that is the perfect way to represent Ridley imo.
Unfortunately, as much as I will scream in agony when it happens, Dixie will likely get the newcomer spot in the DK series due to her recent revival in Tropical Freeze, and K. Rool, at best, will be relegated to a boss (like Ridley, then nobody will be happy).
If we are getting another 3rd party (which we really don't need) it should be Simon Belmont hands down. He has an important role in Nintendo history, and makes much more sense then any other choice. Pac-Man, while a gaming icon, is not the first in line for a 3rd party spot, and shouldn't get in. Neither should any other Namco character (especially anyone from Tekken).
The Most important next 3rd party characters in order are:
1. Simon Belmont (see above)
2. Professor Layton (essentially a first party character, pretty popular, lots of move-set potential, represents the DS generation well)
3. Banjo Kazooie (To represent Nintendo's history with Rare. Was huge in the N64 era. Large personal bias here. I would lose my ****.)
Snake should be cut for Simon Belmont.
ROB more than deserves his spot on the roster (even though he could be reworked a bit)
Lucas should not be cut (but certainly decloned further)
Lucario will be cut (for either Mewtwo or the newest flavor of the month character that GameFreak chooses to promote.)
I hate the above statement.
Falco should be cut (Wolf is the antagonist, which in most cases is more important, also has a more unique move-set, though it needs more tweaking).
Star Fox is well represented at two characters.
The Yoshi, Wario, F-Zero, Mother, StarFox, and Kirby series should not get any more reps, ever.
The Little Pac Mii leak is total ****. The only character that gets in of those three is Little Mac (thanks to his recent revival and potential to serve as a retro if need be.)
There will be another suprise/WTF character in the roster.
While I am not entirely against the Mii, I don't think we need them. Roster spots are too precious this time around, and to waste one on a Mii, especially considering that we already have a good rep from that generation (WFT), it would be entirely stupid.
I support Issac and Saki as playable characters.
We may very well get an unnecessary 6th Mario rep but I don't think it will be Toad or Bowser Jr.
I support the Duck Hunt Dog. Duck Hunt is not represented in Smash at all (sans a trophy in Melee) and this needs to change. He could certainly have a unique Dog/4th wall Zapper type mechanic.
I support Roy's return.
I also support the Balloon Fighter (though he is dead in the water thanks to Villager. I am sympathetic towards Toad fans as they are in a similar, but slightly better situation. I do not however sympathize with Ridley in Smash supporters).
Pokemon Trainer should be cut or reworked, either way he needs to change.
Lip, and Takamaru are great Retro choices.
Sonic doesn't need any more characters in Smash.
I wish the Villager had been Tom Nook instead.
Diddy and Dixie should not be a team (They both have unique move-set potential and to put them together would be a huge waste, we have enough combo/team characters).
I would not miss Ike.
As much as it doesn't sound like it, I am generally against cuts, except in the case of clones or flavor of the month characters.
I have probably made a lot of people angry, but these are my thoughts and I will stick to them.
Comment, tear apart, or enjoy as you wish.

 

[Hong]

Gripe #1
Everyone ever wants every character ever to be in the game, and a good share of them are going to ***** about their character not showing up. This is all despite the fact the majority of the players, within a week of playing the game regularly, will be playing who ever is the most fun for them.

There are characters I would like to appear, sure, but the utmost priority should be whatever makes for the most fun, diverse and interesting cast. I hate Rosalina and I can think of a number of other characters who could fulfill her gimmick. That aside, I still welcome her because she looks very interesting as a fighter.

Gripe #2
I hate how people are obsessed with tradition. Nothing should follow tradition just for the sake of being traditional. This mentality not only holds back game design, but is a cancer killing our world as a whole. And this is not at saying we should change things just for the sake of changing it, either. It is saying we should make choices based entirely on the ultimatum of the result.

I don't think all members of the original 12 have to be here. Obviously touching household names like Samus or Pikachu is out of the question, but if you can take the aspects of an old character (like Jigglypuff) and evolve it in the form of a new character to better the product, do it.

I don't think Marth has to speak Japanese. Sin & Punishment: Star Successor, Fire Emblem: Awakening and Kid Icarus: Uprising are all a testament to the fact that the Nintendo today is far different from Nintendo just five years ago with the release of Brawl, as the voice cast has been excellent. I think players should be able to choose between both Japanese and English voices if they choose.

I don't think giving old characters new moves is out of the question. The only reason FLUDD sucked is not because of the concept, but because of the implementation. The MOTHER series characters in particular could benefit from a drastic redesign, as the design stopped working as early as the later SSB64 era.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Gripe #2
I hate how people are obsessed with tradition. Nothing should follow tradition just for the sake of being traditional. This mentality not only holds back game design, but is a cancer killing our world as a whole. And this is not at saying we should change things just for the sake of changing it, either. It is saying we should make choices based entirely on the ultimatum of the result.

Damn, nothing to be added here. Massive respect for this one!

 

[ZelDan]

Mostly character-related stuff pretty much but here it goes:

1. I do NOT understand the huge following Toad seems to have. He's a Nintendo Icon in one of Nintendo;s largest IPs, sure, but I wouldn't say he is as important as Mario, Luigi, Peach, and Bowser. And outside of his importance, he is just so bland and uninteresting to me, and considering in some Mario games you can are armies of "toads", where they are pretty much worthless meatbags, it just kind of made my mind get used to the idea of toad being an...identity-less, generic-type character. If Toad was made to a single, unique character in all mariio games (kind of like in Super Mario Bros 2 and 3D World), or if there was atleast a specific toad with a different name seen in many Mario games, then I may not view him as a "generic" character, for a lack of a better term. Along with this...

2. I'm actually glad Rosalina got in since, while she may not have been around as long as toad, I find her much more interesting. And to end my thought so on Mario reps...

3. the only other Mario characters that be in Smash 4 are Yoshi and Wario, as both have been in Smash before and also have their own series. I guess Yoshi can kind of fit the "generic" argument I made for toad, but atleast he made more of an impression on me by, again, having his own series, and having one of my favorite platformers of all time (yoshi's Island).

4. I do not think Roy is deserving to be back. While he was in Smash before, just how exactly relevant is Roy to the FE series, his Melee representation aside? He has only been in one FE game, and one that is more than a decade old at that. To be fair though, I have not played FE6, so maybe if I had I would find Roy a nice character and maybe would have wanted him in for that reason? That being said though, I feel alot of people only want Roy back because he was in Melee, which I do not think is a good reason, to go into a bit more detail...

5. I think any character that has had atleast 2 representations in Smash should come back, atleast for smash 4. Whether it be the original 12, or a character in both melee and Brawl, it would feel weird to see such a character go. Maybe if Smash continues far into the future and more and more relevant Nintendo characters are created later on then perhaps cutting a few vets would be okay though, but for Smash 4 I think we can afford to keep all vets.

6. I actually kind of agree with the "Ridley is too big" argument. I know peoplee like to bring up bowser to negate the argument, but with Bowser, I never really viewed as "serious" a villain as Ridley. With Bowser, it's generally "alright, I better reach the last level level and whoops his behind yet again..." whereas Ridley has lways been a bit more of an imposing, interesting villain, and I think part of that has to do with his size. Simply put, Ridley being shrunk down would be more noticeable and off-putting than the same treatment being given to Bowser. I'd be perfectly happy if Ridley was brought back to be a boss battle again.

7. As someone who does like Melee the most and is into competitive play, I actually would not be upset with Smash 4 not being more like Melee (nor do I expect to). I'm just hoping Smash 4 will not have some of the issues that Brawl had (awful online, tripping, Metaknight being so dominant, messed up hit-stun, lame hit the targets, disappointing single-player mode...), while also perhaps bringing some of its own (not stupid)

 

[Tweezer Salad]

I don't like Pit. Or Kid Icarus in general.

Especially his brawl redesign , or the new Uprising game. I think he would have been better off in Brawl and smash 4 looking like he did in Captain N the game master, just old school and simple like the Ice Climbers are. His redesign makes me think of some angel in one of those cheezy trying to hard be hip "4 Teens Bibles" Like really, he sucks. And so does his voice.

So I'm also glad Rosalina got in cause that strongly damages the chances of Palutena getting in. Seeing they are both super tall magic authoritative women in long dresses.

 

[Ridley22]

Palutena is the least worthy popular newcomer. Kid Icarus is an insignificant franchise. Uprising is the only one with an popularity and the franchise was all but dead before brawl. Every other franchise excluding retro series deserves a 2nd rep before Kid Icarus.

I could care less about Fire Emblem. I would be completely unaffected if the series didn't get a newcomer or if its representation reduced.

3rd parties should be the last characters considered. Sonic, Snake, and Megaman shouldn't have even been in smash at this point.

 

[Substitution]

I don't really care much about newcomers.

 

[Uffe]

Palutena is the least worthy popular newcomer. Kid Icarus is an insignificant franchise. Uprising is the only one with an popularity and the franchise was all but dead before brawl. Every other franchise excluding retro series deserves a 2nd rep before Kid Icarus.

So what significance does say, I don't know, Ice Climbers have? They, just like Pit, are one of Nintendo's oldest characters. So to say that Kid Icarus has no significance and that his franchise was dead long before Brawl, that pretty much shoots your argument down.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

-Snake is the sh*t, fits in smash better than Sonic.
-Metroid is one of my all time favorite franchises, that being said Ridley doesn't need to be playable. Metroid is about Samus and her isolation and it should stay that way. Zero Suit Samus was perfect.
-People who hate on Melee either sucked at the game and got murked or just meat ride on an old statement Sakurai said 7 years ago.
-High level Brawl is pretty dope
-Samus in Brawl is dope
-Megaman X >>>>>>>>>>>Megaman
- Did I mention Snake was the sh*t?
-An Advance Wars character would be amazing for this game
-Lil' Mac is awesome
-I'm extremely happy to have a new smash game in general
-Meta Knight is badass. He should return weaker, flashier and weaker KO moves, or just make him the lightest in the game.
-Smash 4 needs unique mobility options and combos but should look organic.

 

[Muster]

Most people on this thread don't know the difference between unpopular speculation and unpopular opinon.

I think Link and Zelda retaining their twilight princess designs was a good call as ganondorf wouldn't have a newer adaption to base himself off of, and that would mean converting him and sheik into the new art style.

There should be a weekly video and not 5 daily pics. i want to see the game in motion, not through a bunch of carefully planned stills.

And while this is more of speculation than an opinion, i don't see why they would cut falco after they went through all the work putting him into two games and making him more diverse than fox in each one. (melee took baby steps, but still)

 

[Uffe]

That's speculation, not an unpopular opinion.

You're an unpopular opinion.









Don't hurt me! D;

 

[Weedy Spyze]

You're an unpopular opinion.

Don't hurt me! D;

I would say that they are an unpopular opinion, otherwise they wouldn't have posted in this thread.

Always seems like I'm a goldmine for unpopular opinions on other message boards, so I'll go ahead and post my Smash ones as well. Some of these may or may not necessarily be unpopular, but here we go:

1. I'd like to see some of the veterans revamped a bit. Not saying they need to have entirely new move sets, but I would like to see a few of them be given some new toys to play with. Link and Yoshi in particular come to mind for characters that need this the most imo.

2. I don't really care for the "Original 12" argument and don't think all of them deserve to be put on a pedestal and/or prioritized over certain other characters just because they have the seniority of being in the first game. This mostly applies to Jigglypuff, whom I couldn't care less about and personally (key word) wouldn't miss at all if she doesn't return. But it applies to a few of the other characters as well. Theoretically, Bowser, Peach and even Pit are gonna make it into the game before Ness or Captain Falcon will. They're all gonna be in regardless of course, but I'm just saying.

3. In a perfect world, cuts would not happen at all, and I don't think any or many will. But if I were to play devil's advocate and had to list which characters would meet the chopping block if it were selfishly up to me? As said before, Jigglypuff would be first, along with Mr. Game & Watch and R.O.B. I've just simply never cared about any of them, and they're probably my three least used characters in Brawl. But as said, I still wouldn't cut them, because I realize that even though I may not enjoy them, there are players out there who do. Ike and Lucas are two characters whose names seem to come up often in cut discussions, and I would be very upset if either of them did not return.

4. As for returning Melee cuts, I really only want Roy to return, and to a lesser extent Mewtwo I guess. I don't care as much about him, since he wasn't fun to play as in Melee and is just overrated in general imo (saying this as a huge Pokemon fan). But a lot of people want him back in, so I'm not opposed to it. Dr. Mario can be a costume and Pichu can either be stuffed into a Pokeball or be forever forgotten about.

5. The many choices of Link? I've never played a Zelda game, so I'm not really passionate about the series. Theoretically, I believe that only one Link should be on the roster. In practice though, I'm torn because I enjoy using Toon Link in Brawl much more than regular Link. It's a moot point however, since both have been confirmed to return.

6. I have no complaints about Smash 4's roster or any of the newcomers revealed for the game thus far. I'm especially happy to have Rosalina in over Waluigi or Bowser Jr. (if they don't make it, that is). I'm super excited to play as her.

7. When it comes to deciding new characters for the game, I believe, from my ignorant outsider's viewpoint, that there are many different factors involved in the decision making process. I don't feel like jabbering on about most of them (maybe later/in a different thread), but I think the most important factors in deciding who gets in are: How important they are to their own series, how important or iconic they are to Nintendo's history as a whole, and what could they add to the game that another character hasn't or can't already add. Speculation of certain characters is fun and all, but I think some people forget that Sakurai and his team have no obligation to listen or pander to the posters on an internet message board. They should listen to the fans to an extent, but at the end of the day they should and will use their own ideas over anyone else's.

8. Honestly? Most of the "ideas" I see from fans on the internet do nothing but make me glad that person is not involved in the game's actual development in any way, haha,

9. I don't believe in adding new characters for the sole purpose of adding new franchises and/or padding veteran franchises that are "under represented." We don't need another F-Zero character, for example, since Captain Falcon represents the series well enough as is. Having said that though, there are some franchises that I personally believe are deserving/would benefit from a new character or two being added. I want Ridley in as much as the next guy, and I would love to see Tails as well. I can live without Krystal (since Star Fox is probably the one series that may objectively be over-represented) and Palutena.

10. Honestly, there are just some characters that should not be playable, and I think some people lose sight of this. Being a playable character isn't the only way someone can get into the game after all. It does suck whenever someone's favorite character gets confirmed as an Assist Trophy or something like that, but you know what? Isn't that better than them not being in the game at all? I just mentioned that I'd love to see Tails playable, but if he can only be an assist trophy, than so be it. That's a promotion over being a trophy and Easter Egg in GHZ, anyway.

11. I don't play Smash competitively and have never had any interest in doing so.

12. I enjoy Project M for what it is--an alternative way to experience Brawl. I wouldn't say it's "better" than Brawl though, and it kinda bugs me when other people do, since it's disrespectful to the game the mod uses as a base. The guys who put PM together are very talented and they did a fantastic job in doing what they set out to do, but you can't bite the hand that feeds you. Brawl's development team also did a great job in putting the game together, and without Brawl, Project M is literally nothing. This is just a general comment in response to posts that I've seen comparing the two online.

That's all I can think of right now.

 

[Uffe]

I would say that they are an unpopular opinion, otherwise they wouldn't have posted in this thread.

I was joking when I said that to Muster. xD Kirby was revamped a few times. I liked his movesets from the first Smash game better than the recent ones. He had a killer forward air, if I recall correctly. I think Jigglypuff is cool, but I know what you mean. I want to say that Nintendo threw her in there for popularity reasons from the anime. She doesn't appear in the anime anymore, though. I agree with your third statement. I wouldn't be surprised if Ike didn't return just so a new character from a recent FE game could be introduced. I don't really care much about Lucas, however. Of course he's the only other character from the Mother series, so he may as well stay. I'd just like for him to have a different moveset.

I like Toon Link, but I figured they'd go the route with the Link from A Link Between Worlds instead. But yes, two Link's aren't necessary. I think it would have been cooler if they replaced him with another Zelda villain or just kept it at three Zelda characters. As for Rosalina, I'm a bit upset about that. There are many Mario characters already in Smash. And if you want to mention characters that branched off such as Yoshi and DK, then they're really going overboard. I would have just preferred Waluigi as the only exception considering that Wario is most likely to come back. I have nothing against Rosalina as a character, I just wish they'd put a strict limit on the Mario franchise and give other characters some room. But yeah, so far the newcomers are cool.

As for newcomers of a different franchise as F-Zero, I wouldn't mind seeing Samurai Goroh or Black Shadow, since both of them are Falcon's rivals. Well, Black Shadow is more of a villain that I feel is to be feared in comparison of any other F-Zero character. As for under-representation with characters like Samus (I'm not going to include ZSS because she's still Samus), Pit, and Mr. G&W, I think there aren't any other characters added so far because I believe all three characters were created by the same person. I can't say for sure, though.

 

[Weedy Spyze]

I was joking when I said that to Muster. xD Kirby was revamped a few times. I liked his movesets from the first Smash game better than the recent ones. He had a killer forward air, if I recall correctly. I think Jigglypuff is cool, but I know what you mean. I want to say that Nintendo threw her in there for popularity reasons from the anime. She doesn't appear in the anime anymore, though. I agree with your third statement. I wouldn't be surprised if Ike didn't return just so a new character from a recent FE game could be introduced. I don't really care much about Lucas, however. Of course he's the only other character from the Mother series, so he may as well stay. I'd just like for him to have a different moveset.

I like Toon Link, but I figured they'd go the route with the Link from A Link Between Worlds instead. But yes, two Link's aren't necessary. I think it would have been cooler if they replaced him with another Zelda villain or just kept it at three Zelda characters. As for Rosalina, I'm a bit upset about that. There are many Mario characters already in Smash. And if you want to mention characters that branched off such as Yoshi and DK, then they're really going overboard. I would have just preferred Waluigi as the only exception considering that Wario is most likely to come back. I have nothing against Rosalina as a character, I just wish they'd put a strict limit on the Mario franchise and give other characters some room. But yeah, so far the newcomers are cool.

As for newcomers of a different franchise as F-Zero, I wouldn't mind seeing Samurai Goroh or Black Shadow, since both of them are Falcon's rivals. Well, Black Shadow is more of a villain that I feel is to be feared in comparison of any other F-Zero character. As for under-representation with characters like Samus (I'm not going to include ZSS because she's still Samus), Pit, and Mr. G&W, I think there aren't any other characters added so far because I believe all three characters were created by the same person. I can't say for sure, though.

I was just pulling your leg. Being unpopular is the point of an unpop opinion thread, right? That's how I've been using them all these years. Anyway, like I said, Yoshi and Link are the main two I'd like to see changed up a bit--although Samus and DK could mix things up a bit too, really. I just think you need to keep things fresh, you know? Kirby got buffed in Brawl and has his new copy hats each game anyway, so he's fine. But Link and Yoshi just felt like same old, same old in Brawl...or at least, they did for me. I don't know, some people seem to be resistant to change, but sometimes change is good. And you see, how you feel about Lucas is exactly how I feel about Jigglypuff. I don't know how much the anime had anything to do with it as much as her practical advantage of being able to use Kirby as a base for her, and just her general popularity from 15 years ago. But...that was 15 years ago. It seems like she's only in now because she was fortunate enough to make it into the first game and that just kinda bugs me. I believe I even read somewhere that she was finished for Brawl instead of Mewtwo because she had seniority over him, so it's not like that's an unfounded opinion. tl;dr She's just kinda overstayed her welcome imo. If it were up to me, she wouldn't be chosen to stay over 32 other characters that interest me more than her. And I know some people would be bummed if she gets taken out...I just wouldn't be one of those people. :D If she's in, which she most likely is, then great. If she's not, well then that's fine with me too.

I just don't see any reason to remove Ike, or no practical one anyway. "Remove him so another FE character can take his slot" isn't a good practical reason for me. There may have been more recent games in the series, but Ike has the advantage of already having met the cut into Smash before. I've seen someone "suggest" giving his moveset to his replacement, and I just don't understand the point of that. If you're gonna keep Ike's moveset, then what's stopping you from keeping Ike himself? I don't know, I personally don't play Fire Emblem, so I don't know much about their characters. I think the series is deserving of having three representatives, but I'd be fine with Marth/Roy/Ike being those three reps. We don't need to cut one of them each game just to replace them with the new flavor of the month. As for Lucas, I love his game and I love playing as him in Brawl. He doesn't need a new moveset, since the only similarities he shares with Ness are his double jump and specials. If they give him new specials (which they definitely should), then he's all set (hoping for PK Ground myself). I'm not worried about his exclusion, because there's nobody to replace him with. He represents the newer Earthbound game like Ness represents the older one. Pet peeve about Earthbound characters, though? Keep Porky a boss like he belongs. Legit cringe whenever someone says he should be playable.

I like Toon Link too, which is why I said on paper there should be only one Link, but in practice the second Link is more fun than the first one for me. We'll just disagree on Rosalina...she didn't top my most wanted newcomers list by any margin, but they totally sold me on her at her reveal. Just like Lucas represents newer Earthbound, she represents newer Mario, and her moveset looks totally innovative for Smash. And if there's one thing I love, it's innovation. Waluigi can remain an assist trophy for all I care, I am not clamoring for him to be made playable at all. As for Mario's number of representatives, it's kinda Nintendo's flagship franchise, so it kinda deserves all those spots. Rosalina will always be more important to Nintendo than say, Isaac or Samurai Goroh, and that's strictly because she's a Mario character. They can even add Dixie Kong or somebody to even out Mario and his pals to an even ten, I wouldn't mind at all.

F-Zero is just a nonentity in modern history, though. Hasn't had a new game since a few years before Brawl came out, and since Sakurai and his team didn't see fit to add a new character then, I doubt they'll see fit to add one now. Maybe I'll be wrong? I just think a fast-paced fighter like Falcon is enough to represent a racing series. Goroh and Black Shadow just go back to my point that I said in my first post: what will they add to the series that a different character can't add? Not much, just another playable F-Zero fighter. I'll welcome them of course if they do make it in, but I'm not pulling for them.

Sorry for leaving you a novel, I have a bad tendency to ramble.

 

[Xenigma]

This seems fun.

- Toon Link has no need to be decloned.

- No already repped franchise needs to have a new character added.

- I'm okay with the game being delayed to 2015 for the sake of adding more characters.

- I really like the additions of Wii Fit Trainer and Rosalina.

- Palutena should not be playable.

- Takamaru should not be playable.

- Pac-Man and Mii should be playable.

Also, it's not really a Smash 4 opinion, but because it's Smashboards:

- Brawl was a better game than Melee.

 

[Uffe]

I was just pulling your leg. Being unpopular is the point of an unpop opinion thread, right? That's how I've been using them all these years. Anyway, like I said, Yoshi and Link are the main two I'd like to see changed up a bit--although Samus and DK could mix things up a bit too, really. I just think you need to keep things fresh, you know? Kirby got buffed in Brawl and has his new copy hats each game anyway, so he's fine. But Link and Yoshi just felt like same old, same old in Brawl...or at least, they did for me. I don't know, some people seem to be resistant to change, but sometimes change is good. And you see, how you feel about Lucas is exactly how I feel about Jigglypuff. I don't know how much the anime had anything to do with it as much as her practical advantage of being able to use Kirby as a base for her, and just her general popularity from 15 years ago. But...that was 15 years ago. It seems like she's only in now because she was fortunate enough to make it into the first game and that just kinda bugs me. I believe I even read somewhere that she was finished for Brawl instead of Mewtwo because she had seniority over him, so it's not like that's an unfounded opinion. tl;dr She's just kinda overstayed her welcome imo. If it were up to me, she wouldn't be chosen to stay over 32 other characters that interest me more than her. And I know some people would be bummed if she gets taken out...I just wouldn't be one of those people. :D If she's in, which she most likely is, then great. If she's not, well then that's fine with me too.

I just don't see any reason to remove Ike, or no practical one anyway. "Remove him so another FE character can take his slot" isn't a good practical reason for me. There may have been more recent games in the series, but Ike has the advantage of already having met the cut into Smash before. I've seen someone "suggest" giving his moveset to his replacement, and I just don't understand the point of that. If you're gonna keep Ike's moveset, then what's stopping you from keeping Ike himself? I don't know, I personally don't play Fire Emblem, so I don't know much about their characters. I think the series is deserving of having three representatives, but I'd be fine with Marth/Roy/Ike being those three reps. We don't need to cut one of them each game just to replace them with the new flavor of the month. As for Lucas, I love his game and I love playing as him in Brawl. He doesn't need a new moveset, since the only similarities he shares with Ness are his double jump and specials. If they give him new specials (which they definitely should), then he's all set (hoping for PK Ground myself). I'm not worried about his exclusion, because there's nobody to replace him with. He represents the newer Earthbound game like Ness represents the older one. Pet peeve about Earthbound characters, though? Keep Porky a boss like he belongs. Legit cringe whenever someone says he should be playable.

I like Toon Link too, which is why I said on paper there should be only one Link, but in practice the second Link is more fun than the first one for me. We'll just disagree on Rosalina...she didn't top my most wanted newcomers list by any margin, but they totally sold me on her at her reveal. Just like Lucas represents newer Earthbound, she represents newer Mario, and her moveset looks totally innovative for Smash. And if there's one thing I love, it's innovation. Waluigi can remain an assist trophy for all I care, I am not clamoring for him to be made playable at all. As for Mario's number of representatives, it's kinda Nintendo's flagship franchise, so it kinda deserves all those spots. Rosalina will always be more important to Nintendo than say, Isaac or Samurai Goroh, and that's strictly because she's a Mario character. They can even add Dixie Kong or somebody to even out Mario and his pals to an even ten, I wouldn't mind at all.

F-Zero is just a nonentity in modern history, though. Hasn't had a new game since a few years before Brawl came out, and since Sakurai and his team didn't see fit to add a new character then, I doubt they'll see fit to add one now. Maybe I'll be wrong? I just think a fast-paced fighter like Falcon is enough to represent a racing series. Goroh and Black Shadow just go back to my point that I said in my first post: what will they add to the series that a different character can't add? Not much, just another playable F-Zero fighter. I'll welcome them of course if they do make it in, but I'm not pulling for them.

Sorry for leaving you a novel, I have a bad tendency to ramble.

I completely understand what you mean about Yoshi and Link. Of course when you compare Link from Melee to Brawl, I guess a lot of people have noticed a difference about him. My friend who used to main Link in both 64 and Melee dropped him in Brawl because he just seemed different, and like most people, he didn't like the Boomerang wind effect. I still think that alone is a lame reason not to like Link in Brawl. I think that if change to a character can improve them, then I'm all for it. I read that Pit was originally going to be in Smash 64, but was replaced with Jigglypuff. I'm not sure if this is true, though, because I haven't found a reliable source. Jigglypuff really should be replaced with a different character. I like her, but I wouldn't miss her if she was removed.

The reason I said I wouldn't be surprised if Ike was removed because of a new FE character is because of what happened to Roy. He was in Melee but not in Brawl, though I've read that he was going to be in Brawl, but they didn't have time or something to put him in. I remember reading that originally in Melee, Ness was going to be replaced with Lucas. I'm kind of glad that didn't happen. So even with the original 12, I don't think they're anymore safe than any other character being removed seeing how there was that possibility in Melee. I wouldn't mind it if Lucas kept all the other attacks and had new special attacks. I'd be fine with that. I had always hoped for Jeff or Paula as secondary reps. It's unfortunate that we didn't get Mother 3.

Though I'm not fond of Rosalina being in this game, I am happy to see that she's not going to be a Peach clone, so that is good. More female character representation as well. But you're right about the newer Mario representation. I'd like to see Waluigi as a playable character, but I like Wario more, anyway. And yes, Dixie Kong would be cool to see in Smash. I wouldn't be against the idea of a King K. Rool, though I wouldn't care if he wasn't introduced.

As for F-Zero, I love the series. Unfortunately, I don't believe it is a popular franchise here in the US. I would love for there to be a new one. The last game we got was F-Zero GX which was in 2003. Another one came out I think in 2006 called F-Zero Climax. It was based off of the F-Zero anime, and it was only released in Japan and I think some other Asian countries. You can easily emulate it on your computer and play it from there. Still, though. Falcon will probably just be the only F-Zero character in Smash aside from F-Zero assist trophies like Goroh, simply because the series isn't that popular here. The last time I bothered looking into the series, Nintendo was saying that they had no plans making a new F-Zero game unless they could come up with some fresh ideas for the game. So it might take another 10 years before a new F-Zero comes out. And don't worry about the rambling. I like having a conversation.

 

[BlueXenon]

I'm really hoping smash 4 will be an improved version of brawl. Out of all smash games, I definitely prefer brawl, however, brawl has SO MANY problems. This game has too many infinites and chaingrabs, Lucario gets rewarded for taking damage, two characters, ness and lucas, are unviable in tournaments just because they can be grab release infinited or chaingrabbed, there are very few moves that are reliably safe on shield, projectiles are overall too strong, shielding is too powerful, TRIPPING, and metaknight's recovery is broken and he has no bad match ups. Additionally, many characters have poorly placed/sized hitboxes, and some multi hit jabs don't even link into each other safely.
The reason why I prefer brawl over melee is because I like the idea of covering your opponent's options and attempting to trap them rather than trying to get one hit and combo into as many moves as possible. I hope smash 4 plays like brawl, but isn't full of these problems I mentioned.

 

[Johnknight1]

-Sakurai is terrible at balancing.

-Smash has had too many bad gimmicky stages that people rarely play on from Melee on.

See: New Pork City, The Summit, Flat Zone 2, Rumble Falls, 75M, Hanebow, Melee's Mushroom Kingdom, Big Blue (why was this hunk of crap in Brawl over Mute City=???), Melee's Yoshi's Island, Brinstar Depths, Infinite Glacier, Venom, etc. Those stages make me go rawr. >.>

Instead, the gimmicks should be built around reasons to make you play the stage. I'm a huge fan of moving stages like Mute City, Rainbow Cruise, and Delfino Plaza.

I'm also a fan of stages with simple gimmicks that don't inherently interrupt matches, such as Peach's Castle 64 (the moving bottom, the side protectors, and the freaking awesome bumper!), Congo Jungle 64 (specifically the barrel and moving platforms), Hyrule Castle (the size, the layout, the gazebo, the tornadoes, the middle platforms), Hyrule Temple (just the grand epicness of it), Brinstar (the lava is a bit too impacting IMO, but it's still fun), Yoshi's Story (Randall for Smash For!!!!), Fountain of Dreams (the moving platforms), Dreamland (the wind), Lylat Cruise (actually, I hate the tilts, especially since it leads to glitched out edges), Pokémon Stadium 1 (not 2!), Saffron City (Pokémahn, and the cool layout), Onett (the layouts; not too big on the cars being that OP), etc.

Fortunately, Sakurai seems to have corrected this.

-I also am of the opinion generally "casual" fans of Smash Bros. hate stages hazards, especially on moving stages more than "competitive" fans of Smash Bros., based around the fact they can't move around such facts like that they can't recover as well, move as precisely, or know the layouts as well.

So when people say "only tourneyf**s hate stage hazards", they're dead wrong. Both of my cousins played it with me (like the gurls they are, they chose Peach and Zelda), and they instantly said "no crazy stages". (all I could think of then were their cool heels!) >.<

-I don't care for new character choices as much as what they play like.

Sorry, but I'll take a character I hate outside of Smash like Krystal with an amazing moveset over a cool character I like outside of Smash with a bad moveset (like say, Waluigi).

 

[JDIZ]

Not an unpopular opinion, but Lynn should be in this game as a playable character. We need a true female Fire Emblem character. Marth can still be the prettiest character in Smash.

 

[Johnknight1]

Not an unpopular opinion, but Lynn should be in this game as a playable character. We need a true female Fire Emblem character. Marth can still be the prettiest character in Smash.

Because Fire Emblem totally matters on that level.

Totally.

If we need another female character, let's have Ridley, the prettiest space dragon in the galaxy!

^_^

 

[volbound1700]

My unpopular opinions based on reading other peoples comments

1. I wish all the Vets could return with the exception of Young Link who is basically Toon Link.
2. I wouldn't mind popular franchises like Mario having a lot more characters than other franchises.
3. I wouldn't mind seeing favoritism in Third Party (like Sonic getting Tails in even though Megaman doesn't get another character) so far as the character adds to the game.
4. I could care less about adding FE character from 3DS game or another sword user. I say add a magician.
5. Only Zelda characters I want besides Triforce 3 were Skull Kid and Impa.
6. I wouldn't mind seeing Geno in it even though I don't see the hype
7. I wouldn't mind seeing a lot of third party characters, especially since Nintendo big names are starting to run out.
8. I could care less about Takamaru or Waddle Dee. Not a fan of either.
9. I would be happy with all the newcomers now plus vets returning. I wouldn't need any more newcomers as long as game is good.
10. I hated Brawl Stages. I always though Smash 64 had best stages.
11. This one is not unpopular but I have loved Project M.
12. I think Megaman will be low tier based on his move sets. Also most the vets look the same as before. Rosalina also looks like another candidate for low tier because her moves will take too long to use in a quick match.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

I think Reggie should not be in Smash.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

My top choice for a Newcomer in SSB4 is Ghirahim.

Also, I think debating what Sakurai is going to do with his roster as if we have any clue what we're talking about at all is a huge waste of time. Those who do it for fun are fine of course, otherwise you seem extremely silly. In the mean time, I'm going to enjoy thinking about all the neat things that can be done with the game.

 

[TheMagicalKuja]

Unpopular opinions? Okay.

I loathe the concept of "same character, new artstyle/moves" because the "new moves" part never f***ing happens. I hated Toon Link when he was in Brawl, and while it's lessened here, it's not gone. I also hated Doctor Mario, and hate the concept of paper Mario, any new forms of Link, etc.

I like new movesets, however. It's why Wii Fit Trainer and Rosalina are actually endearing to me, despite never caring initially

Palutena, should she make it, should have the sniper staff as one of her moves. She is, at the moment, at the top of my wishlist. (THE MISADVENTURES OF xXxN0SCOPEGODDESSxXx! Endless entertainment right there)

I loathe Sonic's moveset on the basis of missed potential (Sonic Wind, Insta-shield, axe kick... all those gone for Sanic the Fighters references? PUH LEEZE)

There should be a medium between Melee and Brawl's Adventure modes.

I hate Miis for the concept that their movesets would be generic and would not match their looks--the Villager can do what they do anyway. I also struggle to imagine a moveset for PacMan.

I'd take Shanoa over Simon Belmont because mage and moveset potential >_>

Lucas >>>> Ness entirely because of moveset and attack speed. If Ness got rid of the yo-yo for Lucas's up down smashes and replaced his nair and dair, I wouldn't mind Lucas leaving, however.

Pictochat was the best Brawl stage, and I'd want more hazard stages closer to that than anything with constant scrolling or massive size.

I'm ambivalent about Ridley, which is unpopular because Ridley *has* to be either the best or worst suggestion EVER.

I'd shed no tears if Snake or Jiggly got the axe, but I'd be just fine if Snake returned (don't feel anything for Jiggs, sorry).

EDIT 2: Almost forgot! There should be no unlockable characters, as in the entire roster should be available from the start. Want to unlock stuff? Focus on stages, trophies, and other extras.

 

[J1NG]

Not an unpopular opinion, but Lynn should be in this game as a playable character. We need a true female Fire Emblem character. Marth can still be the prettiest character in Smash.

I wouldn't mind seeing Lyn, Eirika, and Roy as skins for Marth.

 

[Flaxr XIII]

- Toad never had a chance

- Rosalina was one of my most wanted

- Half the roster should be female

- Geno? Ha! You'd be lucky to get Sora from Square!

- No Pacman. Rayman is the better choice.

- I'd cut Falco over Wolf

- Cut Pokemon Trainer

- No K.Rool, Dixie, Krystal, or Waluigi

- Yoshi, Wario, and DK are their own series. Therefore, not Mario Reps.

- Paper Mario should get in

- NO MII'S!!!

- I miss Pichu

- Brawl is just as good as Melee

- I only like Project M because I can texture hack without Homebrewing my Wii.

- Go ahead and omit Wavedashing again, I never learned how to use it. xP