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Well that isn't exactly what I'd call balance since you can work around those "weaknesses" very easily. A poor approach or vulnerability to pressure is more like it.
Aren't attacks with long start up or end lag considered to be a poor approach? And how can' they be worked around? End lag isn't an issue only in turbo mode.
I don't think anyone approaches with jab so no: having a poor SHFFL, bad/no projectile, and bad range is a poor approach.
Jab isn't the only attack with such start up or end lag. Every ground attack has either long start up or long end lag and in most cases limited in vertical range. And i don't know will he have SHFFL or not.
That doesn't seem to show in his dash attack and Samus is the only character who by definition, can't SHFFL because she's floaty and has a big short hop but you probably know this.
His dash attack has 10 frames of start up and 25 frames of end lag and, so, perfect/power shielding and then punishing it is pretty easy. His running speed is also low, so, it is predictable.
10 frames is decent. Btw you are going overboard with that sucks on the ground idea. Jiggs has the worst ground game in the game and she has attacks that won't start on frame 30. Having jab be that slow is a terrible idea since you are depriving him of a jab reset and a... well... jab. Even someone who can't do anything against pressure like Ganon has a jab.
He isn't the slowest character, but he is just not very good on the ground. His running speed is not result of me trying to make him mediocre on the ground - he has exactly same speed in Other M. But since he is smaller, it looks slower. His attacks, if they hit, hit really hard and his throws have high damage and knockback. Im basing him off Other M, where he had same issues with start up and end lag, but his attacks deal high damage and most of them kill Samus in one hit on hard mode. Also, i have to somehow balance out his aerial combat.
The really slow but strong character design is terrible and Bowser is very good on the ground with his up b, crouch down tilt, forward tilt, and what not. Both Meleee Bowser and Brawl Ganon tried that design, and look at their placement. Brawl Ganon has great combos and mixups but he's too slow. Ganon's jab is his fastest and most lagless move and is meant for breaking combos/stopping approaches ( close range ) among other things like following up after side b.
But unlike Ridley, they aren't good in the air. Aerial combat is main part of Ridley. Compared to ground attacks, aerial attacks are nearly lagless while still having high damage and knockback. But he is also floaty and has no safe way to attack opponents directly below him (pogo tail and aerial down b can hit them, but pogo tail if misses and down b will return him to the ground and have same end lag issue).
Ganon has godlike aerials. WTF are you even saying? Everyone is at a disadvantage when directly above a character.
They still have end lag issues, so, they are easily punishable. And thunderboots to the face, Bowser's L-cancelled DAir, L-cancelled pogo sword, etc. say otherwise.
Ganon's aerials don't have end lag problems. Stop talking about things you don't even know about. 4/ 5 of Ganon's aerials autocancel off a short hop. Dude you need to read Sethlon's Roy guide or Tai's Marth guide at Melee it on Me or PPMD's posts or ANYTHING about real spacing and positional advantage and smash theory in general. You got very sweet modding skills but, at least from my point of view, not smash skills. Maybe I SHOULD try PSAing my own character because I only know 1 balanced hack: marioking64's Waluigi. Guys tell me more balanced hacks because I'm feeling a bit pessimistic about PSAs in general.
When far enough from the ground (as in where ground attacks are absolutely useless), they have. After looking at his coding, they aren't that bad (~15 frames), so, here i was wrong, but they look like they last for a lot longer because animation can be interrupted long before it actually ends. I am not a competetive player and try to balance this mod based on just general knowledge of fighting games and not just Smash Bros speciffically. There is nearly no balanced hacks because they don't pay that much attention to stuff and animations are horrible in most cases too. I do. I will still look at those guides to make sure i don't have anything completly wrong.
He is not attacking it. He is just being a critic, but not doing a very good work of it.
That's when you nod your head and pretend to consider any given "advice".
Balance is the first thing that should come to anyone's head when making a character otherwise, they may end up too good or too bad. What's the point of finishing a nice looking but broken moveset? I just hoped he had the right idea and the only thing I wanted to prove is good balance. I have high hopes for this mod now. Good Luck Bagan!
You need something to work with first before you balance.
Looks good! More of a tail swing at the end would make it look better.New attack finished - Side Smash:
It deals 19% damage when uncharged and tip hits with high knockback and ridicolous 36+ end lag frames. If base of the tail hits, knockback is lowered. When fully charged, damage is, well, you can see it here. If only there was a Ridley recolor for Charizard...
You mean like Zamus' Whip after unsuccessful grab? Can be done.
Keep up the good work!
It's a sign when somebody doesn't support a character being playable but support the work of a person making the character playable.
BaganSmashBros
Mind telling me the tools you're using (BrawlBox, 3D Max, etc) and the way you're testing it (emulator, cheats, how to setup the SD, PM iso or Brawl with launcher, etc)?
This is a good idea. Will update OP soon.
BrawlBox (animations and basically everything else except for real model editing), Dolphin (testing), PM on virtual SD card that done according to tutorial you can easily find, PM launcher and Brawl iso. No cheats used other than those already available in PM files.@
So far I've only done simple model edits and tweaked some moves here and there, but I'd like to try making a character. However all that was a while ago and now I'm kinda lost.
Its BaganSmashBros and not yet. I haven't even finished attack animations.
Only new model because proportions are too different and brawl model is a lot bigger (2x bigger), so, it can't be used.
No, i won't use it. Brawl model is by default a lot bigger and KJP resized new model.
What program do you use to edit the moves? Not the animations but the properties of the moves. I guess it's PSA but I don't know what's the lastest version. And if you're using BrawlBox for that, how so?
BrawlBox 0.67b . It allows you to see hitboxes and stuff like that, so, you're not doing it blindly. Just open character's model, "load moveset" through moveset tab and have fun. Its a lot simpler.
I would if it wouldn't horribly lag my page.
