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Distant Planet isn't legal here.
It's a cool stage. Speaking of stages though, I grew to really like Norfair during the tournament. I think it's a good CP for G&W against certain characters. Like Dreamland except it works more for G&W instead of just against the opponent.
I first learned to play PM with bowser and my roomate is a bowser main a, and while he is nowhere near competitive material, I can give some insight into the matchup. Basically bowser is super combo food, as long as you dont get too gready, in which case youll probably be eating a super armor nair or worse, a down b from right underneath the blastzone. You have to learn when you just need to end the combo and get out safley, you should't really have a problem starting another one up relativley soon. He's big, has lots of trouble getting around bacon, so its great in neutral, and for gods sake, DONT get hit by this <100% gettup attack, its so freaking big he'll use it every chance he can get, so learn the move and learn to avoid/bait it. He has a 1 frame upB OOS, whereas ours technically isnt till frame 8 (well the hitbox is frame 1 but you dont move till 8) so be careful when approaching his shield, especially with a lazy dair or fair, cause he'll just fortress, which is actually a kill move at higher percent. It also sets up great for his up air, which is a thing that should be avoided, as G&W is so light it'll kill at like 50%, combined with his downb jump cancel its a scary threat from below. That and hes got a nasty crouch cancel game, although if you want a laugh, waveland in, and just rapid jab untill he realizes he cant cc out of it and is forced to DI out. Generally good for ~ 20% at the start of a set, although they start to learn eventually. Bowser is among the many who can be jab reset after a dthrow, so make sure to abuse it if hes not teching. although all of our grab options are super good vs him, because anthing that puts him in the air for a unpilt up air or up b just freaking wrecks bowser, you can keep in him the air for a good while if your good about it. Just be mindfull of his combo excapes, nair is a popular one, as I said earlier, combinded with good DI, it can turn the tides pretty quickly.
Oh, you're NyxTheShield? I remember I made a dumb joke on one of your Smash 64 Reddit posts once and you didn't understand it and got mad. Then I saw you on Smashladder and challenged you and you never played me.
Yeah i remember that, it flew right over my ehad, sorry man </3Oh, you're NyxTheShield? I remember I made a dumb joke on one of your Smash 64 Reddit posts once and you didn't understand it and got mad. Then I saw you on Smashladder and challenged you and you never played me.
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LOL the jab into 9. Great movement/dancing and uptilt usage.
Oh yeah, i am working on implementing that on my game, my G&W in Melee has a better movement (i pinned down the timing for Empty SH > Perfect Waveland) and i am transitioning it to P:M ;3 There are a lot of cool stuff G&W can do. In other sets (I am waiting for them to be uploaded) i do them, like Platform Chase Uairs with wavelands, by far my fav thing from P:M hahahah
That's really cute
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I noticd the same, in previous versions i barely got out of Pools with G&W. I think that we got nerfed so little in comparison to other chars from the cast, that G&W got "buffed" if we consider the whole espectre. At least that's how i see it (Because i know i improved a lot, but i went from a nobody to suddenly becoming a top national player hahahaha).@ D Dos_Equis
Stro's Bowser is fraudulent. I watched Odds' video tutorial on Bowser and he doesn't abuse any of his good stuff. I think his Link is very beatable with GnW, I kind of want to play him. I'm far more scared of Ganon xD
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Good stuff on the win man! You went for some ballsy stuff like nair to beat out Fox illusion on the last stock of Winner's Finals.
People need to use NeutralB as more of an attack than just a projectile. It comes out on frame 8 off the top of my head? And is extremely low commitment land-cancelling and being safe on shield. You can do dumb stuff like LC pan > jab > dtilt on shield and most people will get shield poked or it will eat away at their shield. You can probably mix it up and just do LC pan > UpB to escape and avoid shield grabs after dtilt. Slidey character's like Squirtle and Luigi can't punish it because dtilt sends them too far away. It feels just like AC Sheik fair > jab on shield.
It's weird how I used to think GnW was bad in the past few versions, but he really hasn't changed at all and bacon was incredibly easy to abuse in the past. I feel put down when people start complaining about his combos, but to be honest if people ever finally learn to SDI constantly most of his moves start falling apart. For example, people complain about upthrow > uair > uair > uair > anything while if you hard SDI/DI uair to the side it completely ends the uair string and at best he's forced to go for something like bair which can also be completely SDId out of. People don't realize that SDIing uair and UpB to be behind GnW shuts down most followups.
I don't think we needed Dakpo to tell us how to play G&W. We just really did get bopped by all the OP characters (Mewtwo, Lucas, Link, Diddy, etc.) and now we get bopped by less of them.
Im pretty sure we beat diddy now! Mewtwo, link, Marth, and roy still kinda body us :/
I saw a set of Bidoof the other day, really smooth G&W, i just dont like how he does Bacon> Dacus every 10 seconds though lol
they simply have the tools to box us out.
MK is in our favor at the moment. He lost his edge from the update and we pretty much should combo to death him every time. The key to winning is to win the neutral with dash dancing, D-tilt, and crouch cancels. I have pretty much solidly defeated all of the best MKs. Here is me beating K9 in the last patch. Its much easier to fight him in this patch thoughAny comments on the MK matchup? There's a guy named Mana here in upstate NY, and although i've only gotten to play him once or twice hes bopped me real hard. I can't tell if im just severly outclassed as a player or its part of the matchup. It's real hard to get in, and his up air chains wreck g&w hard and early off the top
yeah ok, I've watched the set a buncha times the whole crew battle is hella hype, minus the pro flub vs m2k fox
, but I wasn't sure how much still applied since we can't bacon spam like that anymore. But good to know, that its just cause im a ****ty player and not a matchup problem, one of those is alot easier to fix
Yes. You short hop and press B twice.
Strange, when I try to do that I only get one slow toss. I'll keep trying to see what I'm doing wrong.
Jump, hit B immediately, pause a tiny bit, hit B again. You have to make sure both that you have enough time to get the bacon out and that you don't hit the button while you're still in the animation of the first bacon. The timing isn't too hard though. You can get it perfect in 10 minutes.
Oh that has been my problem, I was trying to get the B presses as close together as possible. Thanks for the insight! I feel like a dummy now lel.
