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University of Texas - Austin
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-RedShadow
Smash Ace
can i come to this or do you still hate me
Kal
Smash Champion
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Sorry, the lack of a question mark prevents me from knowing how to respond.
Just ****ing with you. Last time you were over you insisted on leaving in spite of me saying that you were welcome to stay. And, of course, you're more than welcome to come over. I've never hated you. Just your Sheik. <3
Just ****ing with you. Last time you were over you insisted on leaving in spite of me saying that you were welcome to stay. And, of course, you're more than welcome to come over. I've never hated you. Just your Sheik. <3
BRLNK88
Smash Ace
I might have plans in the evening, but I think I can come Saturday.
Kal
Smash Champion
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In case anyone is wondering, the standard for my smashfests has been for the door to open at 2:00, and for no one to show up until 5:00. However, everyone is welcome to show up whenever. I'm getting bored of riding off into the sunset while singing "I Feel Pretty."
Kal
Smash Champion
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I'm going to provide some advice on the thread for people who show up to my smashfests. You don't have to take the advice, and you're welcome to voice your discontent with any of the advice I give. I also apologize if this post, or anything within, comes off as condescending or patronizing. In the future I hope to post something of a guide for general matchup strategies (more of a "vs. this character" type guide than a "playing as this character" one).
Samir - Mostly, you need to play safer. Marth's aerials are safe only insofar as they are spaced properly. You also need to juggle more: against Sheik, it's standard fare to just juggle by means of uthrow, uair and utilt. You'll get a hang for doing this well by practicing. Against Fox and Falco, you generally have a similar pattern, except
1) On Final Destination, you stick to uthrow regrabs (which occasionally involve uairs and utilts, depending on percents; I recommend watching videos of M2K doing it to learn it properly, and I think he's written a guide) and try to end in a kill or by hitting the opponent off the stage and edge guarding.
2) On the remaining neutral stages, save for Pokemon Stadium and Fountain of Dreams, you try to make use of the low platforms, for otherwise the space animal can attempt to survive the juggle by landing on the high platform. When they are on the platform above you, you need to be attentive to when and how the opponent has landed on the platform and attack accordingly; attacking too fast or too slow will result in a whiff and the spacey will drop through the platform and attack you.
3) On Pokemon Stadium, chain grab as though it's Final Destination save for when you're already underneath one of the short platforms.
4) On Fountain of Dreams, chain grab as though it's Battlefield or Yoshi's Story, but be less reliant on the chain grab, for it does not work as consistently with the platforms changing altitude.
These can be applied in similar fashion to Sheik, but eventually you want to compartmentalize juggle mechanics for each opponent, since they all have unique weights, falling speed and acceleration. In general, keep in mind that you are strongest when your opponent is above you and weakest when they are below you (save for when you're edgeguarding).
Rohan - I didn't get to see you play much. From what I saw, you need to move a lot more. Don't just dash dance in place in response to an opponent dash dancing. Dash dancing is used to keep your position changing while simultaneously allowing you to act; if you're dash dancing with too much distance between you and your opponent, it won't serve a purpose. As you play more, you should become more familiar and fluid with Marth's movement and movements, which will allow you to combo better and play better overall. In the mean time, try and have some idea as to what combos and approaches "work" and try to emulate them. You'll most likely go through a trial and error in which you correct these things as you go. This won't help you attain any sort of idealistic "correct" style of play, but it will help you improve. Once you've reached a certain skill (this level of skill being subjective and up to the individual), you can start to optimize your gameplay from a more theoretical standpoint, addressing more technical questions.
Jamal - You tend to do all right when your opponent approaches badly, but otherwise you struggle. In general, this means that you don't know how to combat camping and that you don't know how to react to "good" approaches. Study up on Sheik's individual match ups. You should also grab more, and be getting much harsher combos out of your grabs. Make better use of your needles as well.
In the future we'll record matches and I'll try to upload them to my Youtube channel. I can't host a smash fest next Saturday because of my friend's wedding (getting married on 4th of July weekend ftl) or the weekend after because I'm going to Houston. Hopefully the weekend after, or some random Friday or Sunday, I will be able to host something.
If there's anything else I can help anyone with, let me know.
Samir - Mostly, you need to play safer. Marth's aerials are safe only insofar as they are spaced properly. You also need to juggle more: against Sheik, it's standard fare to just juggle by means of uthrow, uair and utilt. You'll get a hang for doing this well by practicing. Against Fox and Falco, you generally have a similar pattern, except
1) On Final Destination, you stick to uthrow regrabs (which occasionally involve uairs and utilts, depending on percents; I recommend watching videos of M2K doing it to learn it properly, and I think he's written a guide) and try to end in a kill or by hitting the opponent off the stage and edge guarding.
2) On the remaining neutral stages, save for Pokemon Stadium and Fountain of Dreams, you try to make use of the low platforms, for otherwise the space animal can attempt to survive the juggle by landing on the high platform. When they are on the platform above you, you need to be attentive to when and how the opponent has landed on the platform and attack accordingly; attacking too fast or too slow will result in a whiff and the spacey will drop through the platform and attack you.
3) On Pokemon Stadium, chain grab as though it's Final Destination save for when you're already underneath one of the short platforms.
4) On Fountain of Dreams, chain grab as though it's Battlefield or Yoshi's Story, but be less reliant on the chain grab, for it does not work as consistently with the platforms changing altitude.
These can be applied in similar fashion to Sheik, but eventually you want to compartmentalize juggle mechanics for each opponent, since they all have unique weights, falling speed and acceleration. In general, keep in mind that you are strongest when your opponent is above you and weakest when they are below you (save for when you're edgeguarding).
Rohan - I didn't get to see you play much. From what I saw, you need to move a lot more. Don't just dash dance in place in response to an opponent dash dancing. Dash dancing is used to keep your position changing while simultaneously allowing you to act; if you're dash dancing with too much distance between you and your opponent, it won't serve a purpose. As you play more, you should become more familiar and fluid with Marth's movement and movements, which will allow you to combo better and play better overall. In the mean time, try and have some idea as to what combos and approaches "work" and try to emulate them. You'll most likely go through a trial and error in which you correct these things as you go. This won't help you attain any sort of idealistic "correct" style of play, but it will help you improve. Once you've reached a certain skill (this level of skill being subjective and up to the individual), you can start to optimize your gameplay from a more theoretical standpoint, addressing more technical questions.
Jamal - You tend to do all right when your opponent approaches badly, but otherwise you struggle. In general, this means that you don't know how to combat camping and that you don't know how to react to "good" approaches. Study up on Sheik's individual match ups. You should also grab more, and be getting much harsher combos out of your grabs. Make better use of your needles as well.
In the future we'll record matches and I'll try to upload them to my Youtube channel. I can't host a smash fest next Saturday because of my friend's wedding (getting married on 4th of July weekend ftl) or the weekend after because I'm going to Houston. Hopefully the weekend after, or some random Friday or Sunday, I will be able to host something.
If there's anything else I can help anyone with, let me know.
Tirno
Smash Journeyman
What about me? I've got a couple of questions:
1) Why is Falco so gay?
1a) Why is Fox not gay?
2) Will I ever stop sucking?
3) Will I ever gain your love and approval?
1) Why is Falco so gay?
1a) Why is Fox not gay?
2) Will I ever stop sucking?
3) Will I ever gain your love and approval?
BRLNK88
Smash Ace
Edgar - You need to stop being gay, but only if I'm playing.
I do agree that I need to move more.
In general though if I'm getting pressured I go to pieces and become very grounded.
Edgar's tech skill is sharp enough that this just doesn't work, I can't count on him screwing up his pressure and getting a grab. Kinda wish I had Michel's Falco is practice with as well.
Also Falco's just doing so much crap at once, in the second I need to decide what move I'm going to do Edgar's already done 3 or 4 different things. When I don't get pressured like that I definitely play smarter/become more creative. And then there's the other end of the spectrum when I'm fighting a Samus or Jiggs, I lose patience because I'm accustomed to getting pressured and my tactics don't work. I am however getting a better handle on the Sheik match-up. I'm finding once I get her in the air she's quite easy to combo. U-throw at low to mid percents is working wonders.
What the **** Edgar, you actually did get into the Melee backroom?
I do agree that I need to move more.
In general though if I'm getting pressured I go to pieces and become very grounded.
Edgar's tech skill is sharp enough that this just doesn't work, I can't count on him screwing up his pressure and getting a grab. Kinda wish I had Michel's Falco is practice with as well.
Also Falco's just doing so much crap at once, in the second I need to decide what move I'm going to do Edgar's already done 3 or 4 different things. When I don't get pressured like that I definitely play smarter/become more creative. And then there's the other end of the spectrum when I'm fighting a Samus or Jiggs, I lose patience because I'm accustomed to getting pressured and my tactics don't work. I am however getting a better handle on the Sheik match-up. I'm finding once I get her in the air she's quite easy to combo. U-throw at low to mid percents is working wonders.
What the **** Edgar, you actually did get into the Melee backroom?
JOS.fm
Smash Journeyman
I think maybe you need to get the rhythm down on falco's pressure so you can maybe wavedash/grab/fair out of it. since I started with falco, I can sometimes get out of it when playing what's-his-face. marth's not much of an offensive character in the spacies matchup.
BRLNK88
Smash Ace
Kal said I need to basically be aggressive and not let the Falco control the tempo, which I've never been great at.
Although, when I do do it, I find the match-up to be quite manageable, but of course that's against lesser skilled Falcos.
Although, when I do do it, I find the match-up to be quite manageable, but of course that's against lesser skilled Falcos.
JOS.fm
Smash Journeyman
perhaps that is why I often get owned. I don't like rolling because I get anxiety waiting for the right time. must learn.
@rohan, practice avoiding lasers. maybe that'll help. shield, jump, counter double laser from the edge, etc.
@rohan, practice avoiding lasers. maybe that'll help. shield, jump, counter double laser from the edge, etc.
MT_
Smash Ace
Hmmm, I don't completely agree. Always rolling away from shield pressure is just setting up for Falco baiting and reading the roll. Falco's shield pressure is far from being perfect and unpunishable. I think when you first are starting to learn to deal with his shield pressure that rolling away is the often best option, but once you begin to understand the intricacies and timings between Falco's shield pressure and its mixups, I think better options will present themselves. Just my two cents though. I only play every play ****ty Falcos like Tirno so it's probably not much of a guideline to go by.
Good **** Kal on the advice though >_> I wish I could be playing right now so I could get in on that haha.
BRLNK88
Smash Ace
I did think about countering the double laser, but normally by the time I've thought of it Edgar's already done it.
That's actually part of the reason I left Melee for Brawl, the game just felt too fast for me, but at the same time Brawl is slow as **** and too gay for me.
I'd take Melee any day over Brawl, but there are times when I remember why a few years ago I didn't (and why I got so into Brawl hacks).
JOS.fm
Smash Journeyman
pwning some noobs always makes me feel better
lasershadow
Smash Rookie
haha thanks for the advice kal, hopefully by the end of the summer i'll graduate to getting 2-stocked by edgar consistently lmao
also if anyone in west campus is down to play during the week I will come to you, pm me for my number, or my AIM is lshadow1049
also if anyone in west campus is down to play during the week I will come to you, pm me for my number, or my AIM is lshadow1049
lasershadow
Smash Rookie
yessir
you thought i was a brawl player a few pages back
you thought i was a brawl player a few pages back
lasershadow
Smash Rookie
it depends on how far you can get into the OS. if you can get to the desktop you should launch the logfile viewer and look at dmesg (which is a system log). otherwise you'll probably have to boot to a live linux CD and look at the logs from there. if the problem is cross-OS then my guess is its probably either loose wires or overheating.
Tirno
Smash Journeyman
You and I could go down
in history.
in history.
Tirno
Smash Journeyman
I just want to make out
what you're saying.
what you're saying.
Tirno
Smash Journeyman
You can always come
in my back door.
in my back door.
Tirno
Smash Journeyman
I guess you've never heard the story of how I got the name Queerno?
garrR
Smash Apprentice
so i just moved to austin from houston. will be busy for the next week or two, but definitely looking forward to playing some of you guys in the future!
MT_
Smash Ace
Unfortunately for you no one looks forward to playing Sheik players, yuck!
BRLNK88
Smash Ace
Kal
Smash Champion
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Who the **** is garrR? Also, I think I will be having a smash fest on Saturday, but I can't say for sure. If I do, I'm looking forward to seeing you there.
Having reread your post, it sounds like you can't be there, so I suppose it's not really relevant whether I have the smashfest.
Having reread your post, it sounds like you can't be there, so I suppose it's not really relevant whether I have the smashfest.
garrR
Smash Apprentice
BRLNK88
Smash Ace
Prolly won't be able to make it Kal, sry.
Actually, next 3 weekends I've got **** going on.
Actually, next 3 weekends I've got **** going on.
MT_
Smash Ace
This garrR guy beat JF at NSIC. I think in Kal's Book of Life 101 it automatically puts garrR on at least some higher level of awesome, correct me if I'm wrong.
JOS.fm
Smash Journeyman
how long you gonna be in austin ivan?
reqy
Smash Journeyman
yeah **** all dem sheik players.
i mean....
sup.
i mean....
sup.