University of Texas - Austin

[Noc]

Clay never makes it past the first round either!!

Lol jk <3 Clay

*sigh* It's true I don't have a great tournament record but I'm getting better, I swear. At this point, what I need to work on most is not so much precision with tech skill and spacing (though those certainly need to be more consistent) but just calm focus, executing the tactics that work (e.g. when I grab a marth at high percent: uthrow->knee), not missing opportunities, and quickly learning the opponent's habits and punishing them while making myself less predictable.

Edgar, if you aren't coming, I need to get the capture card stuff from you for the meeting.

 

[JOS.fm]

if facing clay, don't attack him. he puts himself in dangerous situations all on his own.
quick tip, it works against me too =(

 

[Kal]

Clay, I feel you're being a bit silly. My first year of competitive smash, I placed hard last every tournament. Considering that you've only competed for a short while, you're actually quite good.

Also, keep in mind how much better you've gotten since last semester. Beating Jamal in tourney (twice even?) when a few months ago you struggled to keep up with him in friendlies. I remember one tournament where I four-stocked you twice in a row without too much effort. Now you're much, much harder to beat.

With regard to what you need to improve on, most of what you've listed is too vague. Everyone needs to focus on those things (efficiency in particular; there's no point in doing a long 0-death when you can just uthrow-knee-edgeguard). What you should focus on, besides those things, is what is particular to your play. For example, you raptor boost too often and too predictably.

 

[JOS.fm]

I want to get critiqued too!

 

[MT_]

Me too! I think my main problem is the basic approach/getting the first hit. I am always outsmarted or baited lol.

Jose, are you going to chem? If not, lets play from 1-2! I heard he just goes over stupid stuff about the final like "if you have an A-, taking the final leaves you with the risk of dropping that grade" and stuff.

 

[Kal]

I'm down for a smash fest tonight. People should come over tonight and we can head to smash club tomorrow.

Also, I can try and critique you José, but I haven't played you enough to critique from memory. Actually, the best thing to do is link me to videos and I can provide critiques based on those.

 

[JesusFreak]

Ooh smashfest!! I wanna go when I get off work. Also, you know that post made you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

 

[Noc]

With regard to what you need to improve on, most of what you've listed is too vague. Everyone needs to focus on those things (efficiency in particular; there's no point in doing a long 0-death when you can just uthrow-knee-edgeguard). What you should focus on, besides those things, is what is particular to your play. For example, you raptor boost too often and too predictably.

You're right. I need to to focus on one or two specific aspects of my game that I need to change at a time. If I try to think "ok I've got to be less predictable" in a match I have little hope of achieving that since it's such a generic goal. On the other hand, if I think "use raptor boost less when I'm under pressure b/c it's predictable," that's something I can manage to fix. Improving is a gradual process, have to continually work on small specific goals in order to make steady progress.

The trick then is really paying attention to your game and recognizing what small specific goals you need to work on next.

 

[PhantomX]

Couple of us Brawl players will be getting there around 4:30 - 5:00, after we finish watching Iron Man Don't start the tournament without us! XD

 

[Tirno]

The trick then is really paying attention to your game and recognizing what small specific goals you need to work on next.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=begf15ePd10

Wow Clay, when did you get so good?

Also, when can I give you the recording setup?

 

[JOS.fm]

I'm down for a smash fest tonight. People should come over tonight and we can head to smash club tomorrow.

Also, I can try and critique you José, but I haven't played you enough to critique from memory. Actually, the best thing to do is link me to videos and I can provide critiques based on those.

I like how you went the extra mile for the accent in my name. actually I don't have solo videos on the smash club that are recent at all since I am somewhat reluctant to play the good people whom are the ones that play on the recording tv. but I do have our doubles matches against you and mitch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdQNHhjcxHk
sometimes I camp, then I feel bad, then I pursue then I get *****. I also roll too much when I'm under pressure.

I think clay has a crapload of videos of matt, rohan, dean, mitchell, himself and I.

 

[Kal]

alt+0233

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[MT_]

Holy crap Clay ***** Mouf who ***** me who is better than Mango who is better than everyone so Clay is better than everyone but Rohan also ***** Clay so Rohan is better than Clay who ***** Mouf who ***** me who is better than mango who is better than everyone so Rohan is better than everyone but then Michel is a Mexican so going to explode!

 

[Tirno]

alt+0233

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<3

10hearts

 

[JesusFreak]

So... either Clay, or someone who was at Clay's the night I showed up has my controller. It's also possible that mine got switched with someone's at Kal's tourney. Regardless, when I left Clay's that night, there was no controller that had "JF" etched into the top of it. If anyone has this and could bring it tonight or tomorrow, it would be greatly appreciated. Or, if anyone has an extra controller that works well, that I could have, I would love you forever.

Basically, I'm down for smash tonight and tomorrow, but I has no controller of my own

 

[Noc]

I think clay has a crapload of videos of matt, rohan, dean, mitchell, himself and I.

The only matches that were recorded last saturday featured matt, mitchell, rohan, and I. I will upload some of these soon.

So... either Clay, or someone who was at Clay's the night I showed up has my controller. It's also possible that mine got switched with someone's at Kal's tourney. Regardless, when I left Clay's that night, there was no controller that had "JF" etched into the top of it. If anyone has this and could bring it tonight or tomorrow, it would be greatly appreciated. Or, if anyone has an extra controller that works well, that I could have, I would love you forever.

Basically, I'm down for smash tonight and tomorrow, but I has no controller of my own

I don't know what happened to your silver controller, but I do mysteriously have an extra silver controller. Somebody must have accidentally taken yours. You can borrow this extra one I have for now if you want.

 

[JesusFreak]

I would love that, Clay. Also, what time does the meeting start tomorrow? And any idea on what's going down tonight, if anything?

 

[Noc]

Meeting starts at 3pm tomorrow. As far as smash tonight, all I know is nothing's going on at Edgar's place since he's in Houston.

 

[G-Man512]

omg omg omg last meeting!
I'm going to see if I can bring some of my droogs along with a set up of Brawl negative.

 

[BRLNK88]

My opinion on the final Melee rankings:

1. Yu
2. Kal
3. Tirno
4. JF
5. Spike
6. Red Shadow
7. Grass Cattle
8. MT
9. blackfox51
9. Noc
11. Tuco
12. Shiyameyo
13. Brown Link
13. Nubz
13. Sharif

lemme know if I left anyone out, its hard to remember everyone, I totally forgot about justin, since he never shows up, haha
I put myself tied with Carl and Sharif as a reward for getting better over the past month, lol.

 

[MT_]

Clay is better than Justin.

 

[blackfox51]

Hell yeah Clay is better than me, and he knows it lol
Matt, when are you leaving Austin? I gotta see how the best player in the world (inb4 Rohan) is improving. You too, Jose.

EDIT: Thanks Rohan haha. Even though I didn't get to attend a majority of the meetings, I would like to say that I've gotten so much better than at the start of the year. GG's to all who made this happen, especially Clay, your pivots are too good.

 

[Kal]

Every time Rohan posts I have to fight the urge to place a bomb in his car.

 

[JOS.fm]

I still don't think we have enough results yet to make a list.the top two are fine, imo. spike(marty) hasn't been around to the tourneys, so it's hard to tell where he ranks. mt (matt) usually ranks higher than me in tournaments, noc has already been mentioned, though it's strange 'cause he always goes back and forth with redshadow and has taken me out of tournament before.
the only regular that's missing is rawr, who's probably a little better than edward (i'm under the impression that he's tuco)

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=272353 - endless challenge
1: FLT - $177.00
2: ARC - $88.50
3: caveman -$29.50
4: SoS
5: Mouf
5: Kal
7: Jake13
7: Yu
9: Reqy
9: Mojo
9: Clue
9: Tirno
13: King Mosquito
13: MT
13: TSC
13: JF
17: RedShadow
17: pku for life
17: Spaceman Spiff
17: forkgirl
17: Velox
17: Hiro
17: blackfox
17: Jos
25: Noc
25: Yohan
25: Rawr
25: 2SD
25: Nubz

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=270991- april 3rd
1: Yu (sheik/falco) - $12
2: Tirno (falcon/falco) - $6
3: RedShadow (fox/sheik) - $2
4: Noc (falcon)
5: Rawr (sheik)
6: Shiameyo (marth)
7: Nubz (fox)

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=267110 - feb 27
1: Yu (marth/falco) - $22
2: Kal (fox) - $11
3: Hylian (fox) - $4
4: Tirno (falcon/falco)
5: Rawr (sheik)
5: RedShadow (sheik)
7: El queso grande
7: Noc (falcon)

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=265333 - feb 13
1: Kal (marth) - $24.00
2: Yugioh Master/Mitchell (falco/marth/falcon) - $12.00
3: Tirno (jigglypuff/falco) - $4.00
4: Noc (falcon)
5: Redshadow (sheik/fox)
5: Rawr (sheik)
7: El Queso Grande
7: Shiameyo
9: Nubz (fox)

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=263690
1: Kal (fox/shiek/marth/jiggs O.o)
2: Tirno (falcon/falco)
3: Nike (marth)
4: Kyle (peach)
5: Reqy (marth)
5: Noc (falcon all the way)
7: MT (fox/marth)
7: YUM (falco)
9: JC (peach?)
9: SG (link)
9: Rawr (shiek)
9: Tuco (falco)
13: Nubz (fox)
13: Xest (falco)

edit: clay's pivots are homo and tied for first
justin I'll be studying, but saturday night! I'm leaving sunday.

 

[chaoscontrolASH]

Every time Rohan posts I have to fight the urge to place a bomb in his car.

and ur also fighting the urge of being on the news as well. good call

 

[BRLNK88]

well like i said, that was just a tentative list.
minus Kal being a **** as usual (its not like I said "these are the official Melee rankings"), the list seemed okay for the most part.
and I was just messing with ya Justin, I know ur pretty busy, haha

Plus it was mostly only the people that are club regulars. I wasn't certain about how Matt, Jose, Clay and Justin exactly compare, so I just had to guess.

 

[Kal]

Rohan, my comment arose because, out of the blue, the worst player decides to post his opinions on rankings. It's ****ing annoying.

I should clarify that, more importantly, rankings don't make much sense at all: the sample set of tournaments is small, and considering that we don't have anything resembling a consistent turnout, ranking anything over the top 4 is nonsense.

And while I'm certainly overreacting a bit, I feel that my making a racial joke was direct enough to indicate that I'm not entirely serious. Obviously, I'm a little annoyed by your post, but I'm more concerned with the fact that you'd even want to post rankings. The post I made previously is roughly equivalent to a facepalm.

 

[BRLNK88]

Considering that I do have a general idea of how good everyone is, there's nothing wrong with stating my opinion...
>_>
It doesn't matter how good I am personally. By your logic, a fan that watches a lot of basketball has no right to decide if one player is better than another.
Smash, in essence, is like a sport.

Your reaction was equivalent to me saying that Jamal is better than Mitchell, or Clay is better than you are.

and it wouldn't be smash club if I didn't have one last annoying debate with you.

 

[Kal]

Considering that I do have a general idea of how good everyone is, there's nothing wrong with stating my opinion...
>_>
It doesn't matter how good I am personally. By your logic, a fan that watches a lot of basketball has no right to decide if one player is better than another.

You seem to misunderstand (as usual) what I'm saying. The fact that you're bad simply makes your assessment more annoying. I didn't say it was wrong because you're bad.

Obviously, whether you're actually qualified to judge the skill of players is independent of your individual skill.

Smash, in essence, is like a sport.

That's ****ing deep. I'd be careful making comments like these or we might all become as insightful as you are.

Your reaction was equivalent to me saying that Jamal is better than Mitchell, or Clay is better than you are.

How the **** is that at all equivalent to my reaction? My reaction is

1) posting the rankings is annoying
2) rankings beyond top 4 are pointless
3) facepalm

You're the only person I've ever met who's able to consistently misunderstand what he's being told. It's phenomenal.

 

[BRLNK88]

Well it didn't annoy anyone else so I really don't give a **** what you think.

 

[MT_]

Well it didn't annoy anyone else so I really don't give a **** what you think.

Lies!



And Kal, I'm going to disagree with you on the point that we can't have sensible rankings without a stable sample size of tournament results. Obviously they are a unbiased way to represent rankings, but we all know they are not always entirely accurate. Most regions have panelists and use the tournament results as a mere reference. Personally, even though it's more subjective, I think rankings are better assessed through the direct insight of (good and reasonable) players that have played/seen everyone else play. I don't need tournament results to come to the conclusion that Clay is better than Justin.


Justin, I'm leaving Austin Monday.

 

[chaoscontrolASH]

the year is nearly over, and this year of Smash Club has ended, and rohan & kal are still arguing. incredible

 

[Kal]

Matt, you're trying to argue that "direct insight" is more accurate than tournament results? Cut me a break.

Your analogy fails. Yes, Clay is obviously better than Justin. That's why tournament results are not necessary to address the question of who is better. But without tournament results, how can you address who is better between myself and Mitch? There's no reasonable way to argue in favor of one player being better than the other. On the other hand, with tournament results, you can at least point out that Mitch got 2nd at Phase 6 and that I placed higher than him at Endless Challenge, in which case you can, to some extent, assess which player is stronger.

And I never said that you can't have any rankings at all with a small sample set of tournaments. Rather, you can't go very high and remain accurate. There's no question that some players are flat out worse than others. You've already pointed out that Clay is better than Justin, and that's not open for debate really. As I've pointed out, the difference between Mitch and myself is much more subtle. It's not obvious who is better. With only two tournaments, say two tournaments where I win, it's not fair to say that I'm better than Mitch, because over ten tournaments the results may be six wins for Mitch and four for myself, in which case the result is that Mitch is better, and that result is more accurate.

Also, it's simply not fair to claim one player to be better based on insufficient tournament results, because the "worse" player isn't given a fair chance to prove that he is better. For example, claiming Spike to be better than Jamal is bull ****: if Jamal has been in several tournaments and Spike hasn't, Jamal has proven his own skill. Spike hasn't. Why should Spike be ranked higher?

Also, I can really just attack you from a semantical perspective: what do you mean by "Clay is better than Justin?" If you mean "Clay will place higher in tournaments, on average," then why aren't tournament results better suited for answering this question?

 

[blackfox51]

Yeah, I suck compare to Clay. I hope that I can prove to be a worthy opponent in the future though.

I'm coming back from Canada, Tuesday night. So, I'll be up to play if anyone is up for it. I can't believe they have Ketchup-flavored Lays chips, crazy.

 

[BRLNK88]

wtf, ketchup-flavored???
and I thought India had some weird flavors...

 

[JOS.fm]

yeah justin sucks

<3

 

[chaoscontrolASH]

I'm coming back from Canada, Tuesday night. So, I'll be up to play if anyone is up for it. I can't believe they have Ketchup-flavored Lays chips, crazy.

yea they do. my roommate loves them. i tried one and i didnt like the taste.

 

[MT_]

I should clarify that, more importantly, rankings don't make much sense at all: the sample set of tournaments is small, and considering that we don't have anything resembling a consistent turnout, ranking anything over the top 4 is nonsense.

This was the point I was disagreeing with. Everything else you said I mostly agree with, however. I did mention that tournament results are used as a reference.

Though my argument carries over to your Spike vs Jamal example. Obviously Jamal has entered a lot of tournaments and Spike has entered virtually none. I don't care if it isn't fair or not, but I'd still think that Spike is better than Jamal (hypothetically; I used to think Spike>Jamal 1-2 months ago but now I wouldn't be able to make a judgment call). Of course there is gray area. Usually we use tournament results to differentiate between those gray areas, but when there isn't tournament results for Spike, that doesn't mean we automatically give the benefit to the person who goes to tournaments. This is a mentality that a lot of you have: reward those people that enter tournaments. Of course there are various valid reasons to do so, but keep in mind that that shows bias to how you're comparing Spike and Jamal. I wouldn't disagree with ranking Jamal over Spike, but at the same time I wouldn't agree that Jamal is better than Spike at playing the game. Does that make sense?

 

[-RedShadow]

If y'all want me to, I'll MM Spike.

 

[Hylian]

If it helps, the texas PR panel for brawl ranks people based on how they preformed in tournaments over a set period of time or number of tournaments. So we're not really ranking who we think is the best through worst mainly because of how subjective that can get, especially towards the lower end of the rankings. We just rank how they did over the past 10 or so tournaments and it works out pretty well.

Trying to make rankings showing which players are better than others can be done people will just always disagree with something somewhere because there is going to be subjectivity while just ranking how people did over a set period of time is more...logical I guess. But without a good amount of tournaments this wouldn't be very accurate leading to more judgement calls.

*shrugs*