University of Texas - Austin

[Kal]

Rohan should bring Metroid Prime Trilogy for wii and we can have a Metroid Prime 2 multiplayer tourney! That game is SO awesome, I like how you can easily run away with the morph ball, replenish your energy, and get broken power ups.

But seriously, if both players play the game like they actually wanna win, i.e. be as cheap as possible, either nobody will ever die or the outcome will be completely random.

Anyway, I can't wait for Smash 64 singles and Melee doubles this saturday! I think these (ok and perhaps the Brawl event) will provide an adequately awesome end to Smash Club Fall '09.

I have Metroid Prime Trilogy, but it's a giant hassle to get working via USB Loader. It still works, though.

I think we should have both singles and doubles. The Melee players just need to be really good about not playing friendlies until the tournament is over, which I think we can all handle.

Oh, this means I'm going, by the way. >_>

kal if u bring that this weekend, i freakin love you...no homo!!
that game is so much fun

Yeah, I'll try and bring it. Hylian and I were playing it the other day. The most fun part was picking him up and trying to throw him in the lava and ****.

 

[Noc]

I want to have some friendlies this Saturday w/ Clay, we have Falcon/Falco matches to settle haha

The fight is on!!!11 I also have to return the favor of getting double pawnched. And I wanna show you my roy. (the character, perverts!)

...The Melee players just need to be really good about not playing friendlies until the tournament is over, which I think we can all handle.

Oh, this means I'm going, by the way. >_>

Yeah, if I don't help a lot in ensuring that the tourney progresses quickly (e.g. call out matches), I'll at least not slow it down by playing friendlies, I promise .
Thanks for coming Kal. I hope you don't get bored beating people below your level. One of these days Rayzorium or AustinRC will show up and give you some competition!

 

[BRLNK88]

Thanks again Kal for bringing New Super Mario Bros. Wii!!

 

[chaoscontrolASH]

thanks Kal for bringing New Super Mario Bros. Wii!! love that game, especially when you play it with more people. though too bad the tournament seemed fail? lolol idk what happened

 

[blackfox51]

Sorry about being MIA this meeting. After running some errands, my friends decided to catch me in a pokeball and join them in their adventures =/

I'll update the OP though haha, I see some matches already being uploaded

 

[Noc]

I sure enjoyed the meeting and I hope everyone else did too! It would've been nice to finish our "New Super Mario Bros. Wii is Awesome as ****ing ****, it's ****ing Ridiculous" brawl singles tourney but I guess we just decided playing friendlies and New Super Mario Bros. Wii was too fun lol. Nobody was terribly disappointed by this, right? It also would've been nice to record a few matches, such as melee crews or that EPIC stamina doubles match XD. I'll make a better effort to record something at every meeting.

So, the only results we could post are those from the Melee crew battle. Can somebody who remembers them better than I post them here? Thanks.

I finally finished uploading all the friendlies from the fifth meeting! They can be found towards the end of the fifth meeting playlist on our YT account: http://www.youtube.com/user/UTsmashclub.

 

[MT_]

that EPIC stamina doubles match XD.

Too epic for words... if only that was recorded LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL poor edgar

 

[Kal]

Haha my little brother *****.

 

[JOS.fm]

it was nice seeing all you guys. if anybody's in jester, we should meet!

 

[Noc]

Well basically the results for the Melee crew battle were (in order sent out):
Winning crew - Clay, Waleed, Albert, Kal
Losers that did an admirable job - falco player whose name I don't recall, Edgar, Jose, Matt

it was nice seeing all you guys. if anybody's in jester, we should meet!

I'm in jester west! If you play melee, smash 64, or brawl+ I would be totally willing to meet up sometime! (And maybe if you play Barlw Brawl.)

 

[blackfox51]

I might need a break from "studying" later
let me know if you're up to play
and i'm throwing study johns out right now =D

 

[Kal]

If anyone wants to meet up and play over the break, contact me. But not Barlw. Eww.

 

[Tirno]

Well basically the results for the Melee crew battle were (in order sent out):
Winning crew - Clay, Waleed, Albert, Kal
Losers that did an admirable job - falco player whose name I don't recall, Edgar, Jose, Matt

Admirable??? That was some M2K vs. Crazy Return ****.

Also, people need to come play me before I go back to Houston.

 

[BRLNK88]

(And maybe if you play Barlw Brawl.)

Another victory for Brawl +, our president has made official he prefers it to "Barlw".
I actually made a decision a week ago I prefer Melee now to "Barlw", even if I suck at it now, Partially encouraged by the *** whooping Jose gave me, it's so frustrating the amount of **** that doesn't work cuz of auto-edge grab, laggy aerials and no hit-stun, not to mention the hit-lag that gives your opponent like 2 or 3 whole seconds to prepare their DI.
I like to at least be offensive SOMETIMES. And only in Brawl can Diddy get away with just chucking banana peels at you the whole time.
Only thing is that there's no way in hell I'll be able to compete with all yall Melee exclusive guys, so I'll just have to get a Brawl + set-up going ASAP, and make sure it remains 1v1.
Brawl + FFA is the lamest thing ever.

 

[Kal]

Rohan can't beat me in Barlw+ either. >_>

 

[chaoscontrolASH]

Only thing is that there's no way in hell I'll be able to compete with all yall Melee exclusive guys, so I'll just have to get a Brawl + set-up going ASAP, and make sure it remains 1v1.
Brawl + FFA is the lamest thing ever.

u better hope i wouldnt wanna play then. b/c then i will personally make it FFA when im playing there.

 

[BRLNK88]

Rohan can't beat me in Barlw+ either. >_>

lulz, we played once, and I used IKE

 

[Tirno]

Only thing is that there's no way in hell I'll be able to compete with all yall Melee exclusive guys, so I'll just have to get a Brawl + set-up going ASAP, and make sure it remains 1v1.

Haha, johns. Brawl and Brawl+ don't need much tech skill, let alone enough to keep you from learning Melee. And if it's not tech skill you're worried about, then all you gotta do is keep playing.

 

[blackfox51]

lulz, we played once, and I used IKE

johnz lol
I never played against you, rohan. i'm interested in seeing how i do against you haha

when are you leaving edgar?
I'll up to play any time, saturday night after 10pm is a good time b/c that's after i finish my u.s. history exam, and then my last exam is on monday

let me know if you wanna play!

 

[BRLNK88]

lulz, tech skill is EXACTLY what I'm worried about.
Smash 64 required just the right amount of tech skill for me. Melee is overkill, I just don't have the stamina to be really good at it. I'm happy just being able to L-cancel and wavedash, but that's not nearly enough to be a good Melee player.
It'd be nice if Brawl + had wavedashing, but at least everything auto-cancels, and a lot of the gay Brawl stuff is removed.
That's why its the ideal game for me.

johnz lol
I never played against you, rohan. i'm interested in seeing how i do against you haha

haha, johnz my ***. Kal was using MARTH, Ike is crap against him, everyone knows that.
and bear in mind I don't consider myself any sort of pro, Clay is pretty much as good as me. Actually any Melee player can be good at Brawl + pretty easily.

 

[blackfox51]

I guess haha.
But w/ melee, you never really have to be great w/ techskill
I'd say that certain characters don't require that much techskill (ganon, jiggs).
It helps to have great techskill, but reads are a lot more important

 

[BRLNK88]

But pretty much none of the characters in Melee that don't require much tech skill are my style of character.

 

[Kal]

lulz, we played once, and I used IKE

$20 money match? =P

Also, what's with acting like you there's so much to Melee's tech skill? All you need is to be able to L-Cancel and wavedash in order to play the game. What else is there? The reason you suck at Melee is because of the way your Marth plays, not because of your tech skill.

And certainly, you can argue that Fox or Falco requires a lot of tech skill, and that's certainly true, but the remainder of the cast is quite easy to learn (in terms of technical skill). Don't you play Marth?

haha, johnz my ***. Kal was using MARTH, Ike is crap against him, everyone knows that.
and bear in mind I don't consider myself any sort of pro, Clay is pretty much as good as me. Actually any Melee player can be good at Brawl + pretty easily.

It's as though you don't know what johns are. >_>

 

[JesusFreak]

Marth is hard to play!

...but not as hard as Fox. Pick Falco, he's easy to use.

 

[Tirno]

Yeah, seriously, and if you like fast characters but don't want to put all the tech skill necessary for the spacies, just use CF. Once you know how to shffl and JC grab, you pretty have everything you need to play Falcon in terms of tech skill.

Edit @JF
We're talking technical skill. I'm pretty sure Marth is stupidly easy from a technical point of view. His hardest useful tech is like...pivoting. Maybe SH double fair. But neither of those are essential, especially from the POV of a beginner.

 

[BRLNK88]

Also, what's with acting like you there's so much to Melee's tech skill? All you need is to be able to L-Cancel and wavedash in order to play the game. What else is there?

No, you have to be able to SHFFL too, that's my main insurmountable weakness, cuz I don't have the stamina to do that consistently.
I told you before about my issues with the gamecube shoulder buttons and my p u s s y fingers.
I can SHFF, but I can't add that L-cancel immediately afterwards.
Melee just requires way too much energy for me to play at a higher level, both physically and mentally, which I'd have to do to compete with you guys.
Clay has been playing longer than I have, and he's always complaining to me about his tech skill problems, and he doesn't even have the same physical and mental weaknesses that I do. So I don't see myself playing at that level.

It's as though you don't know what johns are. >_>

It's not "johns" if there's valid reasoning behind it.

 

[Noc]

Also, what's with acting like you there's so much to Melee's tech skill? All you need is to be able to L-Cancel and wavedash in order to play the game. What else is there? The reason you suck at Melee is because of the way your Marth plays, not because of your tech skill.

And certainly, you can argue that Fox or Falco requires a lot of tech skill, and that's certainly true, but the remainder of the cast is quite easy to learn (in terms of technical skill). Don't you play Marth?

While it is true that there are only a handful of essential techniques that must be mastered to be good at Melee, they must be MASTERED to be GOOD at Melee. Being able to perform techniques like shffl, wavedash, waveland, JC grab, dash dance, pivot doesn't do you much good if you cannot do them easily and consistently. And if you can't do these things in your sleep, you end up missing opportunities and creating openings for your opponent.

However, achieving solid tech skill is only a stepping stone towards being good at Melee; all the finger speed/finesse in the world won't save you if you are really predictable or cannot predict or intelligently react to your opponent.

[Clay]'s always complaining to me about his tech skill problems...

That's an exaggeration.

Only thing is that there's no way in hell I'll be able to compete with all yall Melee exclusive guys, so I'll just have to get a Brawl + set-up going ASAP

You could compete with Melee players if you stopped whining about how hard it is and actually had the will/self-discipline/determination to practice it regularly and figure out how to improve. That's how anybody gets good at anything.
You should look at it the way I do: it's a fun personal challenge to achieve excellence in a deep competitive game like Melee.

 

[Kal]

We're talking technical skill. I'm pretty sure Marth is stupidly easy from a technical point of view. His hardest useful tech is like...pivoting. Maybe SH double fair. But neither of those are essential, especially from the POV of a beginner.

Yeah, Marth is extremely easy. Pivoting isn't terribly important, save for when people DI chain grabs in a particular way. SH double fair is useful for combos, but as an approach, it's complete garbage.

No, you have to be able to SHFFL too, that's my main insurmountable weakness, cuz I don't have the stamina to do that consistently.
I told you before about my issues with the gamecube shoulder buttons and my p u s s y fingers.
I can SHFF, but I can't add that L-cancel immediately afterwards.
Melee just requires way too much energy for me to play at a higher level, both physically and mentally, which I'd have to do to compete with you guys.
Clay has been playing longer than I have, and he's always complaining to me about his tech skill problems, and he doesn't even have the same physical and mental weaknesses that I do. So I don't see myself playing at that level.

It took me 2 months of playing to learn to L-Cancel. Honestly, if you would just put some ****ing time into it (not even practice time; just play a bunch of friendlies), you'll learn to SHFFL. John more please.

It's not "johns" if there's valid reasoning behind it.

Because I need the guy who's not even a part of the community telling me what a john is. Johns are about sportsmanship. Even if your excuse is 100% valid, the fact that you're making it to try and justify your loss is bad sportsmanship. The way you respond with "he was Marth and I was Ike, of course I lost!" implies that your loss was strictly due to our character choices. It's rude, even if it's true.

Also, you take **** way too seriously. Lighten the **** up.

While it is true that there are only a handful of essential techniques that must be mastered to be good at Melee, they must be MASTERED to be GOOD at Melee. Being able to perform techniques like shffl, wavedash, waveland, JC grab, dash dance, pivot doesn't do you much good if you cannot do them easily and consistently. And if you can't do these things in your sleep, you end up missing opportunities and creating openings for your opponent.

However, achieving solid tech skill is only a stepping stone towards being good at Melee; all the finger speed/finesse in the world won't save you if you are really predictable or cannot predict or intelligently react to your opponent.

You're making this out to be a lot worse than it is. There's not a lot, in terms of technical skill, when it comes to most of the cast. Of the things you mentioned, wavelanding and wavedashing are roughly equivalent (once you can wavedash well, wavelanding is pretty easy), JC grabbing is literally just pressing z+x rather than just z when you grab, dash dancing is extremely easy, and most of the cast doesn't need to pivot, ever. In other words, of the things you've listed, shffling and wavedashing are the only things relevant to the entire cast.

Also, does anyone want to meet at Edgar's tomorrow for some Melee?

 

[blackfox51]

The johns are strong in this one
I can tell you I played Brawl for a good six months after it came out. I wasn't too good, but I still tried my best to learn stuff in that game.

When I decided to go back to Melee and actually learn the metagame and attempt to be a better player, I struggled. But i tried, and now I'm clearly better than when I first started. I still can't l-cancel and wavedash 100% of the time, but I can still kick some people's butts (like Matt and Jose, mostly b/c we always play). I clearly suck in comparison to Edgar and Kal, mostly b/c they know how to read opponents well and almost always have a great response to each situation that comes up.

Aniki (Link/Samus player from Japan) used to get off on Ken back in the day, w/o wavedashing! Sure it was about 3ish years ago, when the metagame wasn't exactly like it is today, but to beat a character like Ken who is pretty technical and reads books for a living is only a testimony to SMART playing.

Stop johning about your stupid hands, I mess up short hops every once and a while, and I don't complain about anything relating to my muscle memory. Learn by playing, you're not gonna be competitive right off the bat. No one is expecting you to be viable against Kal, Edgar, me, and so on b/c we know that you mainly play Brawl +. If you can't get it into your head that getting better at Smash (the series in general) requires you to keep playing and learning, then you have to change your philosophy and the way you look at your playing.

/End of lecture, class dismissed

EDIT: LOL class isn't dismissed yet
When are you guys playing? I have my test later that day, so I don't wanna miss studying too much. Although I could just bring my stuff there and attempt to study haha.

 

[Kal]

I think these posts gave me brain cancer.

 

[blackfox51]

Thanks for not responding to my question about what time you guys are playing haha
Nice to know I just potentially killed someone =P

 

[Kal]

Like 5:00.

 

[Hylian]

Aniki (Link/Samus player from Japan) used to get off on Ken back in the day, w/o wavedashing! Sure it was about 3ish years ago, when the metagame wasn't exactly like it is today, but to beat a character like Ken who is pretty technical and reads books for a living is only a testimony to SMART playing.
.

I love when people refer to stuff incorrectly.

First of all, Aniki does wavedash. And L-cancel. He just doesn't wavedash much, because Links wavedash is HORRIBLE and he doesn't need to much.

Also, ken never lost a Japanese tournament. Those were friendlies.

Aniki is like 13th in japan also or was when the scene was active. People seem to think he was top 3 in america for some reason. And he mainly played Samus, not link.

 

[Tirno]

Psh, that's nothing. I've never lost a Japanese tournament either.

 

[blackfox51]

Time to act like that never happened... =/
I know that he wasn't top in America, but I do remember that his Samus superwavedashed in one match I saw. Boy do I know how to exaggerate -__-

Thanks for clearing that up, that's what moderators are for I guess haha

Edit... again: I know he l-canceled haha, Link needs it as much as Ganondorf and Bowser haha

 

[Noc]

Because I need the guy who's not even a part of the community telling me what a john is. Johns are about sportsmanship. Even if your excuse is 100% valid, the fact that you're making it to try and justify your loss is bad sportsmanship. The way you respond with "he was Marth and I was Ike, of course I lost!" implies that your loss was strictly due to our character choices. It's rude, even if it's true.

So, Rohan, instead of throwing out explanations, true or not, for why you lost, you could try complimenting your opponent for playing so well. Need I quote Thumper?

You're making this out to be a lot worse than it is. There's not a lot, in terms of technical skill, when it comes to most of the cast. Of the things you mentioned, wavelanding and wavedashing are roughly equivalent (once you can wavedash well, wavelanding is pretty easy), JC grabbing is literally just pressing z+x rather than just z when you grab, dash dancing is extremely easy, and most of the cast doesn't need to pivot, ever. In other words, of the things you've listed, shffling and wavedashing are the only things relevant to the entire cast.

Yes, when it comes down to it, the techniques that one must be able to do consistently are shffling (preferably with C-sticked aerials) and wavedashing; other techniques like JC grab or ledge teching are helpful but trivial to learn or not so crucial to know.
While there is a higher learning curve for Melee than Brawl or Brawl+ since it is so fast-paced and one must learn to shffl and wavedash, it's not as high a barrier as people that have hardly played Melee make it out to be. One can achieve adequate tech skill to be competitive rather quickly if one really practices.

Like 5:00.

I'd like to play but I have a final 7-10pm.

Psh, that's nothing. I've never lost a Japanese tournament either.

And I've never lost to Mango.

 

[JackieRabbit5]

To be good at competitive smashing u mainly just have to have the right mindset and work at it.
Beyond that anything's possible, natural talent helps but only u can take it to the next level thru determination.

You should be able to find a way...I've been improving at melee some and original ssb more lately heh
I think the only hard thing about Melee tech skill is consistency. Anyways don't forget the potential of mindgames!

Otherwise just have fun w/ it

EDIT: i guess the best way to practice is by doing friendlies with ppl better than u...kinda what i'm lacking w/ Melee right now

So u played Super mario bros wii at the last one huh? =O

 

[BRLNK88]

You could compete with Melee players if you stopped whining about how hard it is and actually had the will/self-discipline/determination to practice it regularly and figure out how to improve.

But I DON'T have all that, I decided that shortly after Brawl came out. Brawl showed me that you shouldn't have to work that hard to have fun with Smash, but I then eventually decided it wasn't fun enough, and that's when B+ came out, which turned out to be the ideal game for me. With Brawl/+ I can just read about a technique online and figure it out in 5 mins (except IC stuff). I like being able to do THAT.
Video games are just fun to me. Sure competition is fun, but I don't wanna have to devote myself that much to just have fun.
To make an analogy, I know basketball like the back of my hand, but there's no way I have the discipline to actually get good at it.

So, Rohan, instead of throwing out explanations, true or not, for why you lost, you could try complimenting your opponent for playing so well. Need I quote Thumper?

I was just retaliating to Kal rubbing it in my face that he beat me.
Kal: "Rohan can't beat me in Barlw+ either. >_>"
I would call THAT kinda rude *cough cough*.

First of all, Aniki does wavedash. And L-cancel. He just doesn't wavedash much, because Links wavedash is HORRIBLE and he doesn't need to much.

It is pretty horrible, but the Germ wavedashes with Link quite a bit, and it seems to help.
Back when I did devote myself to Melee, I mained Link and was decent (minus SHFFLing), but he's just so BAD against the spacies and Sheik that I gave up and switched to Marth.

 

[Kal]

I was just retaliating to Kal rubbing it in my face that he beat me.
Kal: "Rohan can't beat me in Barlw+ either. >_>"
I would call THAT kinda rude *cough cough*.

Because I wasn't like, clearly kidding, or something.

Seriously, lighten the **** up.

 

[BRLNK88]

Because I wasn't like, clearly kidding, or something.

Seriously, lighten the **** up.

I don't take criticism well, that should be obvious by now.
It's in my genes, my dad and grandfather are even worse than me.

*edit*
and I think if you actually said that to me in person I'd have heard your TONE OF VOICE and realized you're kidding.