Unintended Consequences Mafia: The Saga Concludes

[Nicholas1024]

Man this is getting hard due to general lack of content. Maybe tomorrow I'll start peppering people with questions I want answered (tourney and friend's birthday today) but for right now I can list a few likely suspects.

Nick: Still doesn't ever seem to offer an opinion that's original. He even copied Fatchu's incorrect thought that anyone is seriously considering Moronik at this point. Of course, Ryker and Sold2 are guilty of that as well.

Macman: Self-admitted terrible scum player. Has pretty much offered us nothing. Also the first post of day 2 really makes it look like he's just out for himself.

Xonar: Now that he's broken away from Gheb's shell.....he's broken away from the game entirely.

And let's see where these go.

Well, if 3 different people before me brought up a Moronik lynch, what's wrong with me discouraging it? Plus, why are you singling out me? There are plenty of people who haven't given an original opinion, and some that haven't given out one at all. Besides, perhaps you could give us an opinion on the lynch choices, Roxy and Paprika?

Unvote
Vote: KevinM

He's lurking, and giving one liners when he does post.

 

[Purple]

TPK, it's an example of metagaming, please read the whole post.

 

[Kirby King]

Day 2 Vote Count (Lynch 1)
The Paprika Killer (4): Roxy, Scamp, Moronik, Xonar
Roxy (3): Gheb_01, Fatchu, Sold2
Fatchu (1): The Paprika Killer
Nicholas1024 (1): Ryker
KevinM(1): Nicholas1024

Not voting: Macman, KevinM, Virgilijus, Evil Eye

It takes 8 out of 14 votes to lynch.

The Day 2 deadline is Saturday, March 27 at 11:59:59 PM ET.

 

[DtJ S2n]

Unvote
Post more things like in your defense post.

 

[Deleted member]

Unvote

Kirby King, will the deadline of Lynch 1 be on above saturday, or will the overall deadline be then, thus us needing an actual majority for lynch 1

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Note: The DAY2 deadline is then.

 

[Deleted member]

Yes thank you for restating kirby king xonar.
I just asked for a further clarification

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

A day is not a lynch.

 

[Virgilijus]

virg who ARE you willing to lynch?

Right now the only people I wouldn't want to be lynched right now are: me, ee, macman (though he's playing like ****), and sold2. EE should still be more active despite being voteblocked. I was never too suspicious of Pierre and I think sold2 is doing a decent job as town.

Everyone else is up for lynch to me.

 

[Deleted member]

why not macman if you say he plays like ****?

 

[Virgilijus]

Because despite playing like ****, I think he's town; he's not feigning interest, he's just disinterested. While not helping scum hunt, he still contributes to a majority if town. Bad town is still town.

 

[Kirby King]

Kirby King, will the deadline of Lynch 1 be on above saturday, or will the overall deadline be then, thus us needing an actual majority for lynch 1

Day 2 ends by the Day 2 deadline. It takes a majority to lynch no matter what; if deadline hits without majority, there is no lynch, per the rules in the first post.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Sold2 is obviously not a play toDay or any time soon.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Because despite playing like ****, I think he's town; he's not feigning interest, he's just disinterested. While not helping scum hunt, he still contributes to a majority if town. Bad town is still town.

FOS for this comment. There is no way ANYONE can have a town read on Macman at this point. Scum would be disinterested in generating discussion, whilst town should take an active interest. Bad town may be a possibility, but so should scum.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Macman is town.

U mad?

 

[Evil Eye]

Nic are you scum or are you just terrible at mafia?

I've dropped off the face of the earth in games as scum and town when RL BS distracted me and I got pulled out to the point of disinterest. Macman isn't disinterested in generating discussion, he's disinterested in the game period.

Anyone that thinks he can't play scum or can post LOTS OF SUPER HELPFUL WORDS as scum is wilfully blind. Read Bruce Willis Mafia, you fools! He was the spine and circulatory system of that scum team and if not for Rockin won it all on his own while dragging deadweight.

God I don't know if I should FoS you Nic or just keep making fun of you.

why not macman if you say he plays like ****?

So much dumb or scum in this game.

Playing badly =/= playing scummily, and if you have played a bunch of mafia (Dutch board or not) you should **** well know better. Why not macman = why not lynch macman = why not look at someone other than me = why me = fry me. That's the way I'm reading this.

And that's because of the culmination of TPK's scumminess. Every post, every time, he just makes a nice little noncommittal jibjab at whatever will have the minimal amount of blowback in his direction and disappears into the shadows from whence he came. He's active now because he's under the knife, and I bet on a reread one could find a lot of attempts to divert the discussion.

Roxy still lookin' like a heap of scummy dung, but at least s/he is being more proactive.

For now, Fake Vote: Pap Smear

 

[Deleted member]

not really. It struck me as odd how virg seemed to be fine with macman playing like s***.

playing bad indeed isn't playing scummy but half of our current conversation seems to revolve around what dead weight we can drop.
that train of thought is horribly incorrect, as I never said I wanted to get macman lynched. I got my answer and that's it.

I have 2 question for you EE
would you post more is you were under pressure?
besides me and to a lesser extent roxy, do you have other candidates for either of the lynches and if so why?

 

[Nicholas1024]

Nic are you scum or are you just terrible at mafia?

I've dropped off the face of the earth in games as scum and town when RL BS distracted me and I got pulled out to the point of disinterest. Macman isn't disinterested in generating discussion, he's disinterested in the game period.

Anyone that thinks he can't play scum or can post LOTS OF SUPER HELPFUL WORDS as scum is wilfully blind. Read Bruce Willis Mafia, you fools! He was the spine and circulatory system of that scum team and if not for Rockin won it all on his own while dragging deadweight.

God I don't know if I should FoS you Nic or just keep making fun of you.





So much dumb or scum in this game.

Playing badly =/= playing scummily, and if you have played a bunch of mafia (Dutch board or not) you should **** well know better. Why not macman = why not lynch macman = why not look at someone other than me = why me = fry me. That's the way I'm reading this.

And that's because of the culmination of TPK's scumminess. Every post, every time, he just makes a nice little noncommittal jibjab at whatever will have the minimal amount of blowback in his direction and disappears into the shadows from whence he came. He's active now because he's under the knife, and I bet on a reread one could find a lot of attempts to divert the discussion.

Roxy still lookin' like a heap of scummy dung, but at least s/he is being more proactive.

For now, Fake Vote: Pap Smear

@Evil Eye
Oh, so to be super-townie, all someone needs to do is drop off the face of the earth and plead RL excuses? Please, so do you really have a strong town read on Macman, and think he shouldn't be a lynch candidate today? Because I don't see how mega-lurking can be considered anything but a scum-tell. Yeah, stuff happens, but scum is more likely to lurk then town is.

 

[DtJ S2n]

Nich, I think you misunderstood what EE is saying. Macman isn't thought to be townie because he's backing up his inactivity with RL pleas. But at the same time he's not considered scum for that reason. Or at least, that's what I thought he meant.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Nich, I think you misunderstood what EE is saying. Macman isn't thought to be townie because he's backing up his inactivity with RL pleas. But at the same time he's not considered scum for that reason. Or at least, that's what I thought he meant.

The problem I have is that Virg considers Macman to be town and thinks he shouldn't by considered for a lynch today. There is no reason at this point to consider Macman town.

 

[DtJ S2n]

Well, personally I don't consider him strictly town, but neutral leaning on townie. I wouldn't consider lynching him at this time, though in the future maybe. There are better options than Macman at the moment.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Macman if you're losing interest you should just proxy your vote on Sold2 since he's basically clear.

 

[Nicholas1024]

@Sold

Check out Virg's post again.

Right now the only people I wouldn't want to be lynched right now are: me, ee, macman (though he's playing like ****), and sold2. EE should still be more active despite being voteblocked. I was never too suspicious of Pierre and I think sold2 is doing a decent job as town.

Everyone else is up for lynch to me.

Apparently, he'll consider any lynch unless there's strong evidence that they're town. After all, there are plenty of people not on his "wouldn't want to be lynched" list who'd be neutral-townie on my scumdar (and probably others). However, although you and EE are both likely town, I don't see how anyone could put Macman up into the "definitely town" category, and I want to know Virg's reasoning here.

 

[Virgilijus]

My reasoning, Nich, is that I just hosted a BRoom game in which Macman was scum. I got to see all of his posts and the thought behind his posts as mafia and, from my perspective, he seems to have a different mindset. Kev or EE could verify the game if need be.

It is by no means concrete proof as I admit he's playing like ****, but I'd rather lynch some one I believe has a higher possibility of scum.

 

[Nicholas1024]

My reasoning, Nich, is that I just hosted a BRoom game in which Macman was scum. I got to see all of his posts and the thought behind his posts as mafia and, from my perspective, he seems to have a different mindset. Kev or EE could verify the game if need be.

It is by no means concrete proof as I admit he's playing like ****, but I'd rather lynch some one I believe has a higher possibility of scum.

Not everyone plays the same way every game, Virg. I've been in games (as I'm sure nearly everyone else has) in which Macman has been town and very active and helpful. By your logic, that means he's likely scum. I don't like that you're semi-clearing him off of nothing but metagaming (and quite shaky metagaming at that.)

And as far as possibility of being scum... Do you really believe that Macman is top 3 in terms of towniness? Or that there are 9 people more lynch-worthy than he is?

 

[DtJ S2n]

Actually, I agree with Nich here.

Virg, you can't judge Macman based off his thoughts in your own game. I'm assuming he was interested in that game and put effort into it. He's disinterested in this game, so his thoughts(or possibly lack of) are going to be different no matter what the alignment. On top of that, modding and playing a game are completely different. I've modded a game and have watched things that I have thought are "so obviously scummy" or a "super townie move", but the players didn't seem to notice. When I played with that group again, it wasn't so obvious lol. In addition, according to EE, Macman is a good player and knows what he's doing. Meta like that isn't going to mean much.

FoS Virg.

 

[Virgilijus]

It's not meta condemning some one, it's meta in terms of caution; there is a difference in degree. I said several times it is nothing concrete, just my opinion based on a recent mafia game I had great insight into his thinking of. It's still liable to change.

However, I do find it some one funny and interesting that my statement that I'm not voting for some one who currently has no votes from anyone has drawn your great suspicion. Granted, I like your spunk, but it's going in the wrong direction.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

However, I do find it some one funny and interesting that my statement that I'm not voting for some one who currently has no votes from anyone has drawn your great suspicion. Granted, I like your spunk, but it's going in the wrong direction.

This sentence struck me as odd. Wether the person has votes or not doesn't matter if the deadline is still a week (I think?) away, you don't have to vote for a lynch yet, you can use your vote and build a case at this point. Why are other people voting that person withholding you from doing so? If you genuinly thinking that person is scummy, don't you think you should make a case?

 

[Virgilijus]

I think you are understanding the intent of that line:

No one is stopping me from voting Macman (I don't know where you got that from). I have not voted for him and said it's because I think there are other people that are more scum like, though am stymied when it comes to which of them are worth my vote. Everyone else who has voted must agree to some extent because none of them have voted for Macman. Yes, votes can be for applying pressure as well, but no great pressure has been applied to him by any one.

Nich also feels other people are more suspicious than Macman, yet is irked by my literal statement of it. I find it a little funny.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Nich's FoS on Virj is weak sauce, imo. I'm sorry it took me so long, but I'm gonna get at Nich now. This will be a long as hell post in all likelihood. It addresses Gheb v. Nich argument rather thoroughly, but I'm not quite sure how I'm going to go about it because Gheb said a lot of what I wanted to say. I think I'm going to simply answer Nich's accusations as if I were GhebTown and add commentary where I need to remark on something Gheb said.

I'm going to go grab some vegetable oil from the store (5 minutes to get there, 3 minutes in the store, 5 minutes to get back). If you have a better idea on how I could handle it, then please say so before I get back.

 

[Virgilijus]

I think you not are understanding the intent of that line:

No one is stopping me from voting Macman (I don't know where you got that from). I have not voted for him and said it's because I think there are other people that are more scum like, though am stymied when it comes to which of them are worth my vote. Everyone else who has voted must agree to some extent because none of them have voted for Macman. Yes, votes can be for applying pressure as well, but no great pressure has been applied to him by any one.

Nich also feels other people are more suspicious than Macman, yet is irked by my literal statement of it. I find it a little funny.

Blatant typo correction. Apologies

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Still a typo, but I got the idea.

You say you're fine with everyone lynched except yourself, ee, macman (though he's playing like ****), and sold2. Who is your top3 priority list on lynches atm?

 

[Moronik]

Right now the only people I wouldn't want to be lynched right now are: me, ee, macman (though he's playing like ****), and sold2.

paprika killer/roxy fit into this category

 

[DtJ S2n]

My bad Virg. I just looked over who's still alive. Not wanting to lynch Macman makes sense now lol.
Why would you be more willing to lynch Moronik or Ryker over Macman?

 

[Virgilijus]

TPK, Moronik, and KevinM.

Though Nich is barking at me I think he's town going int eh wrong direction. Roxy has done him/her/itself better today in posting coherently. Most others are in a neutral area for me, though not quite town. Actually, everyone is in that area but the furthest in are the top 3.

Kevin: post something.

 

[Virgilijus]

paprika killer/roxy fit into this category

I'll give you Roxy may fit in. let me think about it.

My bad Virg. I just looked over who's still alive. Not wanting to lynch Macman makes sense now lol.
Why would you be more willing to lynch Moronik or Ryker over Macman?

For Ryker, it's not that I find him particularly scummy but more so that my intuition says Macman is town. However, as I post more and more about Macman he seems to be more and more absent.

Marshy/Ronike.... eh, I just don't know. He's just pushing for a lynch like Marshy always does; don't get much off of it.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Rereading through the entire game,... again. Post about Nich incoming.

 

[Moronik]

kevin/mac have both been dealing with limited access since the day started i believe. just know theyre inactive as opposed to lurking

i think my other half meant to say "paprika killer/roxy DON'T fit into this category" and was goading virg into voting with us. however i disagree with him that roxy is a good play for lynch 1 and instead think we should def lynch paprika killer and lynch him fast. a week for two lynches

 

[Nicholas1024]

@Virg
Let me be clear. I agree that Macman isn't the scummiest person we have today. That honor would go to TPK/Roxy. However, I do not agree that he's likely town. He's in the neutral-scummy area of my scumdar.

@Ryker
This should be interesting. When can we expect the post?

 

[Virgilijus]

kevin/mac have both been dealing with limited access since the day started i believe. just know theyre inactive as opposed to lurking

Twice in the past week I've hosted an Adventure Game over AIM that Macman participated in and he never mentioned anything about limited access.

The later one literally lasted until 2:30 AM PST; if he wanted to post here more he would have. EE can verify this (as much as another player can verify something).

The more I'm looking at this...