Unfinished Battle - Shulk Video Archive

Zatchiel · Jun 12, 2015

I have a bit of gameplay from yesterday. I asked for him to go his main so I could benefit from the practice, which has really paid off.

Set 1 (no customs)

Set 2 (Hyper Arts + Power Vision)

I'd really prefer critique for the latter video, since I lost that set.

@

erico9001 @

Masonomace @

Virum I'd appreciate advice, since I'm looking to participate in more custom-legal tournaments. My use of Hyper Arts doesn't seem to be optimal at all, and I'm having trouble figuring out how to optimize it.

erico9001 · Jun 13, 2015

Zatchiel said:
I have a bit of gameplay from yesterday. I asked for him to go his main so I could benefit from the practice, which has really paid off.

Set 1 (no customs)

Set 2 (Hyper Arts + Power Vision)

I'd really prefer critique for the latter video, since I lost that set.

@ erico9001 @ Masonomace @ Virum I'd appreciate advice, since I'm looking to participate in more custom-legal tournaments. My use of Hyper Arts doesn't seem to be optimal at all, and I'm having trouble figuring out how to optimize it.

So in set 1, Shield didn't seem to help vs Diddy Kong. I think you were just experimenting though, and I really appreciate it! I learned from that. Nice job against Diddy there.

I agree that your use of the hyper arts could be better. I don't personally use hyper arts (2123 is my game right now), but I still have a pretty good idea of the hyper arts in general.

The neutral arts: Speed/Shield. These two can basically serve as filler arts, until the art you particularly are looking for comes back. Considering they last for 6 seconds, and it takes .75-.8 seconds to activate (at minimum), you can almost get away with using these two arts as filler for another art, since Hyper Arts cooldown is 15 seconds. Hypothetically, a cycle between 3 arts would be functional. However, it's not really realistic, as the other 3 arts can't always be used. You may need to play in Vanilla for some time. Buster might work, but that might not be efficient do to a reason I will explore later. So- you did use Speed/Shield, which is good, but I don't think you are used to their differences yet. Hyper Shield can't really move much, so defensive/punish play is needed.

Hyper Jump is not really a neutral. You take 46.4% more damage, so the opponent deals more damage than you do in regular buster. It's very risky, yet I see you were using it a lot. You were taking a lot of damage. I suggest only using Monado Jump either while at a real advantage like opponent being off-stage, or when already at kill percents so the extra damage doesn't really matter.

Hyper Buster and Hyper Smash are both best when you are at a stage advantage and have momentum. If you lose the advantage, deactivating these arts should be first priority. Hyper Buster takes 35% more damage, and Hyper Smash can be as risky for you as it is for the opponent. However, the two arts are very important, too. This even furthers how you want to use the arts while in the advantage, because you only have 6 seconds with the art. So, that's the hyper arts.

Power Vision is being used alright, I suppose. I mean, it's mostly read-based, so I guess the most you can do is observe your opponent and try to predict what it will do.

Virum · Jun 14, 2015

My on stream sets at Keep It Classy Vol 5:

vs Luigimitsu

http://www.twitch.tv/unequalledmedia/v/6130412?t=1h11m54s
vs PlasticPoptart

http://www.twitch.tv/unequalledmedia/v/6130412?t=4h04m31s

First set...well I'll let you guys witness for yourselves. I will say though Wario's Bite is pretty ridiculous. I have pretty limited match-up experience vs Wario, so that Bite caught me a lot. I'll know better next time. I also started fishing for edge getup punishes a little too much.

Second set I got blown back pretty hard. Pit is a character I feel is slept on and is honestly the best sword wielding character in the game (at the moment anyway, we'll see how Roy fares). He has one of the most well rounded kits in the game. I'm still a little salty about the start of game 2 tbh. I almost brought it back game 2, but alas it wasn't meant to be.

Also, shoutouts to my garbage tier Olimar making a dumb comeback vs this Diddy player. I should probably work on refining my Olimar more to be honest, as this set was littered with mistakes by me. I don't particularly enjoy playing him to be honest, but I feel he works as a decent check to Diddy: http://www.twitch.tv/unequalledmedia/v/6130412?t=3h48m13s

@

Zatchiel I'll definitely check out your sets in a little while. I know your Shulk is very solid and I'll make sure to give feedback.

Zacko · Jun 15, 2015

John Numbers won the Nintendo World Championship and played Shulk in the smash-part of the championship.
The match is a 4-player FFA with items on. Starts at 3h 19m into the video:

He was really feeling it

AustinRC · Jun 15, 2015

Smash and Grab's latest video on Shulk, tell us what you think.

Berserker. · Jun 16, 2015

Great guide. Well, the absence of b-air in the video is a bit startling, the info and art descriptions are on-point imo

notyourparadigm · Jun 16, 2015

AustinRC said:
Smash and Grab's latest video on Shulk, tell us what you think.

I'm honestly just smitten with the use of the Xenoblade theme on the video. It looks so good. Also the honesty is appreciated when it comes to certain moves, such as how uair is goofy looking and awkward to hit. But unless I missed it, you forgot to discuss my two personal favourite of Shulk's moves-- utilt and bair! I think that I kill more off the top with utilt than usmash just because of its speed and knockback (especially in Smash), and the range and knockback on bair just can't be ignored (especially with MALLC in mind).

While this is not specific to this guide, it might be worth briefly discussing in your next video how the character behaves and uses their moves in specific situations. For example, when they are being juggled, or when they are juggling, or how they can cover different ledge get-up options, or how they can perform off-stage... you get the idea. You talk about the tools primarily in how they are used in neutral, which is really only half the story. For example, Shulk's mobility and range on his aerials means he's never really afraid to go for off-stage kills, but slow start-up on aerials means he's more prone to getting combed or juggled than other characters. Things like that.

Overall, superb quality and content! Thanks for sharing.

Masonomace · Jun 17, 2015

Zatchiel said:
I have a bit of gameplay from yesterday. I asked for him to go his main so I could benefit from the practice, which has really paid off.

Set 1 (no customs)

Set 2 (Hyper Arts + Power Vision)

I'd really prefer critique for the latter video, since I lost that set.

@ erico9001 @ Masonomace @ Virum I'd appreciate advice, since I'm looking to participate in more custom-legal tournaments. My use of Hyper Arts doesn't seem to be optimal at all, and I'm having trouble figuring out how to optimize it.

Sorry that I can't quite help out with advice. My PC isn't good since the video stutters. If it was on Youtube I'd be able to watch it & help out

Zatchiel · Jun 21, 2015

Played a couple games with Chillindude's Ryu. Admittedly he's one of the better ones I have come across.

I played two games with Shulk. I focused on other characters in earlier games, which were arguably better. Chillin is awesome.

Volya · Jun 22, 2015

Sup people, Volya here, Villager main from France.
I recently fought Scarhi (the top french shulk player) during a tournament, the matchup was really new to us but we still did good !
enjoy :

Berserker. · Jun 22, 2015

Okay guys. After 781 years, I'm deciding to TOTALLY update the OP, aesthetic wise and content wise

Give me a minute or an hour

DONE

*dies* I'll make it a point to update this thread whenever there's a new video :>

Also, @

Jerm came up with a new combo video for Shulk

Rawbinator · Jun 23, 2015

Nice work. Probably worth noting that a lot of the Twitch links no longer work

Berserker. · Jun 23, 2015

Rawbinator said:
Nice work. Probably worth noting that a lot of the Twitch links no longer work

Yeah. That's something I noticed but I decided to just stick it up there. I'll try to label which of the videos are and are not working

Edit: Done

Edit 2:
Rain of new videos. Whoo

kenniky · Jun 23, 2015

imo it still looks really weird and incoherent

Like it's sort of organized but still pretty hard to find stuff you want to find

:/

Berserker. · Jun 23, 2015

kenniky said:
imo it still looks really weird and incoherent

Like it's sort of organized but still pretty hard to find stuff you want to find

:/

Ctrl + F is your best friend at that point

@

kenniky

but suggestions would be cool though. I'm open to improving this thread

kenniky · Jun 24, 2015

Maybe a table?

Tournament matches

Shulk|vs.|link
@ AllyKnight |

DKWill| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejv4MvI0HSE (Match 2, 4)
@ AllyKnight |

Daiki| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wo0xuPhoV4 (Match 1, 2)
@ AllyKnight |

Squall| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDvyYIE48_I
@ AllyKnight |

Kool Aid| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYKpcF66jic

etc.

Lets you look for specific matchups, as well.

notyourparadigm · Jun 24, 2015

kenniky said:
Maybe a table?

Tournament matches

Shulk|vs.|link
@ AllyKnight | DKWill| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejv4MvI0HSE (Match 2, 4)
@ AllyKnight | Daiki| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wo0xuPhoV4 (Match 1, 2)
@ AllyKnight | Squall| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDvyYIE48_I
@ AllyKnight | Kool Aid| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYKpcF66jic
etc.

Lets you look for specific matchups, as well.

I'd recommend doing it separated by both opponent and opponent's character, as you might want to search one not the other. Also using names instead of icons should sort them alphabetically.

| ~ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejv4MvI0HSE (Match 2, 4)
@ AllyKnight |Daiki| Little Mac

| Villager

| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wo0xuPhoV4 (Match 1, 2)
@ AllyKnight |Squall| Samus

| Toon Link

| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDvyYIE48_I
@ AllyKnight |Kool Aid| Pacman

| ~ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYKpcF66jic

etc.

Maybe also spoiler tags for Tournament Matches vs Friendlies and such? Then you can expand only the categories you want to look at.

kenniky · Jun 24, 2015

notyourparadigm said:
I'd recommend doing it separated by both opponent and opponent's character, as you might want to search one not the other. Also using names instead of icons should sort them alphabetically.

Shulk|Opponent|Opponent's Character| Second Character | link
@ AllyKnight |DKWill | Donkey Kong | ~ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejv4MvI0HSE (Match 2, 4)
@ AllyKnight |Daiki| Little Mac | Villager| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wo0xuPhoV4 (Match 1, 2)
@ AllyKnight |Squall| Samus | Toon Link | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDvyYIE48_I
@ AllyKnight |Kool Aid| Pacman | ~ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYKpcF66jic
etc.

Maybe also spoiler tags for Tournament Matches vs Friendlies and such? Then you can expand only the categories you want to look at.

The only problem I have with this is that several people have three characters, although I guess it could be used like this:

|-|-| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejv4MvI0HSE (Match 2, 4)
Ally|Daiki|

|

|-| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wo0xuPhoV4 (Match 1, 2)
Ally|Squall|

|

|-| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDvyYIE48_I
Ally|Kool Aid|

|-|-| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYKpcF66jic
StillFresh|BlueBeastTD|

|

| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24oANTkbLlg

something like that.

The only problem I have with this is that the character columns are too big.

although...

Shulk|Opponent||||link
Ally|DKWill|

|-|-| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejv4MvI0HSE (Match 2, 4)
Ally|Daiki|

|

|-| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wo0xuPhoV4 (Match 1, 2)
Ally|Squall|

|

|-| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDvyYIE48_I
Ally|Kool Aid|

|-|-| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYKpcF66jic
StillFresh|BlueBeastTD|

|

| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24oANTkbLlg

EDIT: wait, you can't sort by icon? that's dumb.

notyourparadigm · Jun 24, 2015

kenniky said:
The only problem I have with this is that several people have three characters, although I guess it could be used like this:

Shulk|Opponent|Character|Character|Character|link
Ally|DKWill||-|-| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejv4MvI0HSE (Match 2, 4)
Ally|Daiki|||-| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wo0xuPhoV4 (Match 1, 2)
Ally|Squall|||-| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDvyYIE48_I
Ally|Kool Aid||-|-| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYKpcF66jic
StillFresh|BlueBeastTD|||| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24oANTkbLlg
something like that.

The only problem I have with this is that the character columns are too big.

although...

Shulk|Opponent||||link
Ally|DKWill||-|-| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejv4MvI0HSE (Match 2, 4)
Ally|Daiki|||-| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wo0xuPhoV4 (Match 1, 2)
Ally|Squall|||-| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDvyYIE48_I
Ally|Kool Aid||-|-| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYKpcF66jic
StillFresh|BlueBeastTD|||| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24oANTkbLlg

EDIT: wait, you can't sort by icon? that's dumb.

Yeah that's the main issue. :/ There's the option to do something like this:

Ally | DKWill | Donkey Kong

| Villager

| ~ | Link (Match 1, 2)
Ally |Squall| Samus

| Toon Link

|~| Link
Ally |Kool Aid| Pacman

| ~ | ~| Link
StillFresh|BlueBeastTD|Pit

| Fox

| Megaman

| Link

So the links take up less space.

Berserker. · Jun 24, 2015

Oh god

Um. I'll try to use this idea (noooo, not the tables again)

kenniky · Jun 24, 2015

Berserker. said:
Oh god

Um. I'll try to use this idea (noooo, not the tables again)

I can probably find some free time and do it tomorrow. lol

Berserker. · Jun 25, 2015

kenniky said:
I can probably find some free time and do it tomorrow. lol

Thanks <3

kenniky · Jun 25, 2015

|Villager

|Toon Link

|-|-| Link | (Crew battle)
Trela + Xzax

|FOW + MJG|Ness

|Villager

|-|-| Link |
Trela|MegaFox|Fox

|-|-| Link | (Match 1)
Trela|y.b.m|Zero Suit Samus

|-|-| Link | (Match 1)
Trela|Asa|Ness

|-|-| Link |
Kyo|FlashSen|Rosalina & Luma

|-|-| Link |
HRNut|Ryo|Ike

|Dark Pit

|Iggy Koopa

|Greninja

| Link |
John#|NinjaLink|Mega Man

|-|-| Link |
9B|Q|Lucario

|-|-| Link |
9B|Ocsy|Yoshi

|-|-| Link |
9B|Earth|Pit

|-|-| Link |Literally so much MALLC
Zatchiel||Yoshi

|-|-| Link | (Match 1) *Not working
Zatchiel||Rosalina & Luma

|-|-| Link | *Not working
Zatchiel||Ike

|Little Mac

|-| Link | *Not working
Zatchiel||Jigglypuff

|-|-| Link | *Not working
Zatchiel||Mega Man

|-|-| Video 1 / Video 2 |
Shulkmania||Mario

|-|-| Link | *Not working
Shulkmania||Peach

|-|-| Link | *Not working
SilentDoom||Greninja

|Captain Falcon

|-|-| Link |
SilentDoom|G~P|Sonic

|-|-| Link |
SilentDoom|PlasticPoptart|Pit

|-|-| Link |
StillFresh|BlueBeastTD|Pit

|Fox

|Mega Man

| Link |
StillFresh|MIc|Captain Falcon

|-|-| Link |
SuperDavio||King Dedede

|-|-| Link |
SuperDavio|Cri|Bowser

|Ganondorf

|Sonic

|-|-| Link | *Not working
FOcast|Snow|Fox

|-|-| Link |
Joannett88|Marcbri|Pit

|-|-| Link |
Joannett88||King Dedede

|R.O.B.

|-|-| Link | (Match 1)
Gnes + Dao

|Jerm + Tesh|Robin

|Mega Man

|-| Link |Doubles
Gnes +

|Asa + ShadowFoxXD|Ness

|Ness

|-| Link |Doubles
Gnes + Dao

|Mew^2 + Hyrule Hero|Mewtwo

|Link

|Yoshi

|Falco

|-|-| Link |
Oblivion|Swaka|Fox

|-|-| Link |
GA|Johnny|Jigglypuff

|Palutena

|-|-| Video 1 / Video 2 |
Scarhi + Enki

|PlasticPoptart + Bee|Pit

|Peach

|-| Link |Doubles
Scarhi + Enki

|Willz + M.M.Molegra|Captain Falcon

|Sheik

|Diddy Kong

|Luigi

|Kirby

|-|-| Link |

@_@

I'm lucky I know how to program otherwise I would have gone insane

Shulk|Opponent|Character 1|Character 2|Character 3|Link|Notes
Ally||Greninja

|-|-| Link |
Chrisall76||Link

|-|-| Link |
Pika Kong||Falco

|-|-| Link |
Pika Kong||Wii Fit Trainer

|-|-| Link |
Pika Kong||Captain Falcon

|-|-| Link |
Pika Kong||Samus

|-|-| Link |
Pika Kong||Kirby

|-|-| Link |
Pika Kong||Luigi

|-|-| Link |
Pika Kong||Peach

|-|-| Link |
Pika Kong||Lucina

|-|-| Link |
Pika Kong||Shulk

|-|-| Link |
Pika Kong||Sonic

|-|-| Link |
Pika Kong||Mario

|Kirby

|-| Link |
Pika Kong||Pikachu

|R.O.B.

|-|-| Link |
Jerm|Gyo|R.O.B.

|-|-| Link | (Match 1 and Match 2) *Not working
Ryker||Robin

|-|-| Link |
MarioFireRed||Shulk

|-|-| Link |
TheHopefulHero||Ness

|-|-| Link | (Match 1 and Match 2)
Sodrek||Yoshi

|-|-| Video 1 / Video 2 |
Shulkmania||Toon Link

|-|-| Link |
Shulkmania||Lucina

|-|-| Link |
Shulkmania||Captain Falcon

|-|-| Video 1 / Video 2 |
Shulkmania||Greninja

|-|-| Link |
Stephen||Rosalina & Luma

|-|-| Link |
シュルク窓||Falco

|-|-| Link |
シュルク窓||Zero Suit Samus

|-|-| Link |
シュルク窓||Robin

|-|-| Link |
シュルク窓||Samus

|-|-| Link |
Pikalink||Charizard

|-|-| Link |
Pikalink||Samus

|-|-| Link |
Pikalink + RUI

|SammySoso + Isaac|Shulk

|Shulk

|-| Link |Doubles
Bubba||Falco

|-|-| Link |
Blueheart||Ike

|-|-| Video 1 / Video 2 |
rugal||Ike

|-|-| Video 1 / Video 2 |
Maxou|Luminare|Ike

|-|-| Link |
Salt|Luminare|Ike

|-|-| Link |
Iouie||Ike

|-|-| Link |
Nero||Pikachu

|-|-| Link |
Nero|MeowMC|R.O.B.

|-|-| Link |
DE23||substitute|-|-| Link |
Zatchiel|Denti|Olimar

|-|-| Link |(Starts at 06:04:00) *Not working
Zatchiel||Diddy Kong

|-|-| Video 1 / Video 2 |
Zatchiel|Chillin|Ryu

|-|-| Link | *Not working
ZeRo|MVD|Mega Man

|-|-| Link |
aruth||

|-|-| Video 1 / Video 2 / Video 3 / Video 4 / Video 5 / Video 6 |
lankygunner||Zelda

|-|-| Link |
lankygunner||Mario

|-|-| Link |
lankygunner||Diddy Kong

|-|-| Link |
lankygunner||Robin

|-|-| Link |
lankygunner||King Dedede

|-|-| Link |
TrueSapphire||Greninja

|Captain Falcon

|-| Link |

|Little Mac

|King Dedede

|-|-| Link |
Trela||Sheik

|-|-| Link |
Trela|MegaFox|Fox

|-|-| Link | (Match 2 and Match 3)
Trela||Mario

|-|-| Video 1 / Video 2 | (Video 2, Match 1)
Trela||Morton Koopa

|Pit

|Zelda

|-|-| Link |
LF Syuton||Sonic

|-|-| Link |
LF Syuton||Diddy Kong

|-|-| Link |
Keisuke||R.O.B.

|-|-| Link |

Shulk|Opponent|Character 1|Character 2|Character 3|Link|Notes
Jellyfishn||Pikachu

|-|-| Link |
Jellyfishn||Dark Pit

|-|-| Link |
Jellyfishn||Sheik

|Marth

|-| Link |
Jellyfishn||Wii Fit Trainer

|-|-| Link |
Jellyfishn||Rosalina & Luma

|-|-| Link |
Jellyfishn||Ike

|-|-| Link |
Jellyfishn||Robin

|-|-| Link |
Jellyfishn||Zero Suit Samus

|-|-| Link |
Jellyfishn||Greninja

|-|-| Link |
Jellyfish|Ore|Captain Falcon

|-|-| Link |
Jellyfishn|Kou|Captain Falcon

|-|-| Link |
Jellyfishn||Samus

|-|-| Link |
Jellyfishn||Dr. Mario

|-|-| Link |
Jellyfishn|Sui|Peach

|-|-| Link |
Trela||Sheik

|-|-| Video 1 / Video 2 / Video 3 |
Trela||Little Mac

|-|-| Video 1 / Video 2 / Video 3 / Video 4 |
Opana||Toon Link

|-|-| Link |
Opana||Yoshi

|-|-| Link |
Opana||Shulk

|-|-| Link |
Opana||Jigglypuff

|-|-| Link |
MooseSmuggler||Little Mac

|-|-| Link |
MooseSmuggler||Robin

|-|-| Link |
MooseSmuggler||Captain Falcon

|-|-| Link |
MooseSmuggler||Greninja

|-|-| Link |
MooseSmuggler||Bowser

|-|-| Link |
MooseSmuggler||Ganondorf

|-|-| Video 1 / Video 2 |
MooseSmuggler||Captain Falcon

|-|-| Link |
MooseSmuggler||Dark Pit

|-|-| Link |
MooseSmuggler||Bowser Jr.

|-|-| Link |
MooseSmuggler||Link

|-|-| Link |
MooseSmuggler||Sheik

|-|-| Link |
MooseSmuggler||Greninja

|-|-| Link |
MooseSmuggler||R.O.B.

|-|-| Link |
MooseSmuggler||Zero Suit Samus

|-|-| Link |
Jae|LiquidFGC|Samus

|-|-| Link |
Jae||Lucina

|-|-| Video 1 / Video 2 |
Jae||Villager

|-|-| Link |
Jae||Ike

|-|-| Link |
Jae||Mii Swordfighter

|-|-| Link |
Hylian||Lucina

|-|-| Video 1 / Video 2 / Video 3 |
Kirby Phelps||Marth

|-|-| Link |
Kirby Phelps||Ganondorf

|-|-| Video 1 / Video 2 |
Kirby Phelps||Yoshi

|-|-| Link |
Kirby Phelps||Mario

|-|-| Link |
Kirby Phelps||Peach

|-|-| Link |
skstylez||Ganondorf

|-|-| Link |
relaxed||King Dedede

|-|-| Video 1 / Video 2 |
relaxed||Robin

|-|-| Video 1 / Video 2 |
relaxed||Rosalina & Luma

|-|-| Link |
alexander||Robin

|-|-| Link |
AlvisCPU||Shulk

|-|-| Link |
AlvisCPU||King Dedede

|-|-| Link |
AlvisCPU||Captain Falcon

|-|-| Link |
S9 S4kurazaki||Robin

|-|-| Link |
S9 S4kurazaki||Sheik

|-|-| Video 1 / Video 2 / Video 3 |
S9 S4kurazaki||Greninja

|-|-| Video 1 / Video 2 |
SFLR9||Donkey Kong

|-|-| Link |
SFLR9||Pikachu

|-|-| Link |
SFLR9||Ike

|-|-| Video 1 / Video 2 |
Sui||Lucario

|-|-| Link |
Sui||Captain Falcon

|-|-| Link |
Sui||Rosalina & Luma

|-|-| Link |
Omegaevolution||Shulk

|Lucina

|-| Link | (Match 1 and Match 3)
Omegaevolution||Ness

|-|-| Link |
Omegaevolution||Duck Hunt

|-|-| Link |
Omegaevolution||Donkey Kong

|-|-| Link |
Johan||Captain Falcon

|-|-| Link |
EternalFlame||Ness

|-|-| Link |
Exceladon City||Meta Knight

|-|-| Link |

Everything else should be fine as it is.

Berserker. · Jun 25, 2015

Good job Kenniky :D

I'll credit you for this one. I'm really grateful for your effort man

kenniky · Jun 25, 2015

Berserker. said:
Good job Kenniky :D

I'll credit you for this one. I'm really grateful for your effort man

the power of knowing how to write code is a valuable one

Zatchiel · Jun 29, 2015

The layout looks okay, but why'd you add links if they don't work anymore? That just looks like clutter.

Before today I didn't know past broadcasts on Twitch were only temporarily stored, so I don't mind having my links removed when they go kaput.

Anywho, I played a couple more matches on stream today. They were playing king of the hill but I was a bit tardy, so we settled for some friendlies instead. Still working on Smash management.

http://www.twitch.tv/lloyd404/b/673745344?t=3h31m13s

Jerm · Jun 29, 2015

Im starting to think that Buster is one of Shulk's best arts if not his best. I used to be super hesitant to use it against combo heavy characters due to the added percent that is tacked on so I really restricted myself (ex. Against Mario, Luigi, Sheik, Diddy, etc, ) But ironically I feel it's the best art to use against these characters. A lot of the combo heavy characters have attacks with little to no KB/ shield stun so buster shield grabs can really put on the hurt and its also really hard to grab a well spaced Buster Shulk which a majority of the combo guys rely on (Luigi >_< LOL). Also, it allows Shulk to keep up with them damage output wise. Sure, Shulk doesn't have many true combos or many throw follow-ups...but who needs them when buster fthrow/ bthrow do like 16-17% a pop! Even if Shulk gets combo'd by the characters I mentioned above all it takes is 1 buster string to keep it close/ pull ahead.

Anyways-with the video included I wanted to discuss some stuff. Poke is a very powerful Luigi. I personally feel he lacks the MU knowledge. Either way it was a pretty good set. I want to quickly discuss art choices and stages for Shulk.

Game 2 I don't ban BF and I get completely shrekt xD I will admit I played sloppy with several missed techs and what not but I was at an apparent disadvantage regardless lol. I feel Lylat is a good map for Shulk tho! I love taking Luigi's and Ness's there. How about you guys?

And for Arts...Im starting to open my mind up about them more nowadays.

Jump I prefer to use later in the stock/ against projectile based characters since the extra damage won't matter and you can hop over annoying projectiles and punish respectively. Lots of projectile users in this game have a decent amount of cooldown so their projectile spam is actually quite unsafe when Shulk is in Jump (megaman an exception for me tho)

Speed is probably best against the heavy hitters. I used to use more speed against the smaller more combo heavy orientated characters but that damage decrease is noticeable and hinders Shulk greatly in those particular MU's. The heavy guys hit harder but in speed Shulk is harder to hit and can run circles around them : 3

Shield is SUPER GOOD against the combo guys since they can't really kill him if played right. I feel shield is horrible against the heavies tho because their KB is just too much, even in shield. Ganondorf stands out as a good example. Shield can barely sponge the ftilts- I find myself switching off shield constantly to recover even at mid percent.

Buster is, imo, baaaad against the heavy guys since the decreased knockback actually allows them to punish a lot of your attacks when they are at lower percents since they are soooo fat. It's also reallly really good against the smaller combo heavy guys since it allows Shulk to keep up/ ahead regardless of not having auto EZ Bake follow up attacks off of throws. (You can use buster at really low percents

And Smash...this art I actually want some help with. I find either I have good days with it or bad days with it. I put it on and it gets the job done or I put it on and get bodied lol. Not sure the true applications of smash quite yet. Against heavy hitters they can take your stocks even easier-against the smaller combo orientated characters they can now easily shield grab all of your attacks aka free follow up damage. What do you guys think!?

Yup that's it lol.

**Edit** A biiiiiig problem I forgot to mention against the heavily combo orientated characters was when Shulk is down a stock. What's the best response? Buster?

Also-when Is a good time to utilize Vanilla Shulk? Only time I use vanilla is to Art cancel lol.

Plain Yogurt · Jun 30, 2015

Jerm said:
Also-when Is a good time to utilize Vanilla Shulk? Only time I use vanilla is to Art cancel lol.

Mostly when the only arts off cooldown are ones that don't help and maybe even hinder the situation. Not often that'll happen, but hey.

Berserker. · Jun 30, 2015

Jerm said:
Im starting to think that Buster is one of Shulk's best arts if not his best. I used to be super hesitant to use it against combo heavy characters due to the added percent that is tacked on so I really restricted myself (ex. Against Mario, Luigi, Sheik, Diddy, etc, ) But ironically I feel it's the best art to use against these characters. A lot of the combo heavy characters have attacks with little to no KB/ shield stun so buster shield grabs can really put on the hurt and its also really hard to grab a well spaced Buster Shulk which a majority of the combo guys rely on (Luigi >_< LOL). Also, it allows Shulk to keep up with them damage output wise. Sure, Shulk doesn't have many true combos or many throw follow-ups...but who needs them when buster fthrow/ bthrow do like 16-17% a pop! Even if Shulk gets combo'd by the characters I mentioned above all it takes is 1 buster string to keep it close/ pull ahead.

Welcome to the buster train hype Jerm

Jerm said:
And Smash...this art I actually want some help with. I find either I have good days with it or bad days with it. I put it on and it gets the job done or I put it on and get bodied lol. Not sure the true applications of smash quite yet. Against heavy hitters they can take your stocks even easier-against the smaller combo orientated characters they can now easily shield grab all of your attacks aka free follow up damage. What do you guys think!?

Yup that's it lol.

**Edit** A biiiiiig problem I forgot to mention against the heavily combo orientated characters was when Shulk is down a stock. What's the best response? Buster?

Also-when Is a good time to utilize Vanilla Shulk? Only time I use vanilla is to Art cancel lol.

I'm also at a loss with Smash art but I think I'll try using it strictly for edgeguarding. Jump art is good but it can come off as predictable sometimes tbh.

For coming back, I prefer just going into buster. You need a lot of damage to mount a come back anyway, although if you **** up with buster, the lead may get worse ofc, so your spacing needs to be on point. It's kinda difficult to mount a come back with jump or speed buuuuut you can rack up a little damage with speed until like... say ~50-60% then cheese them with jump art.

Vanilla, I use it when I'm somehow doing well with the mode. Otherwise, I also use it for art cancelling

Zatchiel · Jun 30, 2015

Good seeing you play again, Jerm. I definitely missed you and your vids. <3 I saw you hosted a tournament a few days back.

Jerm said:
Im starting to think that Buster is one of Shulk's best arts if not his best.

Same here. I always held Buster in high regards. But when you get strings going the reward far outweighs anything we can get in our other arts, besides Speed/Jump ledgegarding or killing very early in Smash.

Jerm said:
And Smash...this art I actually want some help with. I find either I have good days with it or bad days with it. I put it on and it gets the job done or I put it on and get bodied lol. Not sure the true applications of smash quite yet. Against heavy hitters they can take your stocks even easier-against the smaller combo orientated characters they can now easily shield grab all of your attacks aka free follow up damage. What do you guys think!?

When you're in Smash, grab is your safest option by a long-shot. With your attacks, you still have your range, and more brute power, but none of the safety.

You should approach, but be patient, and make your opponent fear grab. Try to avoid shields way more than usual, but pay attention to how and when the opponent is reacting out of them, so you can get grabs or harder punishes.

Jerm said:
**Edit** A biiiiiig problem I forgot to mention against the heavily combo orientated characters was when Shulk is down a stock. What's the best response? Buster?

Best response is playing in whatever art you're most comfortable with, since getting an advantage in neutral hinges on that confidence, especially when you're not in the lead. Most Shulks prefer Speed, but I personally prefer Jump or Buster.

If you go with Speed, get them offstage so you have the best opportunity to abuse Buster. With full stage control you can put on immense pressure.

Jerm said:
Also-when Is a good time to utilize Vanilla Shulk? Only time I use vanilla is to Art cancel lol.

Mainly art canceling, like you said. It's certainly possible to get kills with it, instead of wasting time/stage control with a switch to Smash in most cases. You damage/KB is better in vanilla than it is in Speed, Shield, and Buster. So a quick deactivation does give you your average kill potential in a pinch. Aside from art canceling that's what I use it for.

notyourparadigm · Jul 3, 2015

Okay, so I've been itching for some advice/critique for a long time, so I hope it's alright if I share some matches from a stream I did this Wednesday against some viewers on Twitch. Lag was pretty bad at times so I'll just share a few that seem worth critiquing. I'm heading to a tourney this weekend so even just some small pointers/observations would be greatly appreciated!

(1) Three games vs Beatdown

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http://www.twitch.tv/notyourparadigm/b/674406421?t=91m41s
Let's just say the second game in particular was... very rough. Beatdown consistently gives me a rough time in general, so these are probably the matches where I am most interested in getting some critique.
(2) One game vs SalvyGames

http://www.twitch.tv/notyourparadigm/b/674456433?t=3m57s
Okay, aside: commentating and playing is hard! Props to all of you who do it regularly, ahaha. Otherwise, I just found this a really fun match. One thing that I note here is my tendency to use fsmash... maybe too much? I mean, when they connect I can't exactly say they were a bad choice, but I'm not sure if I'm getting too comfortable using them when I see my opponent punishable within fsmash distance. What do you guys think?
(3) Four games vs DiddyKong104

http://www.twitch.tv/notyourparadigm/b/674406421?t=49m03s
These games mainly highlighted how I struggled to deal with excessive rolling against a character with a decently good roll like Roy, as silly as it sounds. The games were a lot closer than I would've liked... what are the best moves to cover these sort of rolls? Utilt? Usmash? Nair? By the third battle I was resorting a lot to sitting in shield and waiting for the roll behind attack, but my shield took a big beating from it. I also found myself pivot ftilt/fsmashing a lot, not sure how safe of an option that is against these... uh... 'Bakery Boys'.

Thanks to everyone here just for the content in general. The Shulk forums have helped me a lot from my first days on the 3DS, and I hope to improve even more in the future!

TrueSapphire · Jul 3, 2015

3DS (Other videos)

SSB4 3DS (Shulk | Montage) – MALLC (TrueSapphire)

Potato quality + Basic Windows Movie Maker skills + Pulling an all-nighter = First 3DS montage of pure MALLC highlights?

In all seriousness, I'm proud of this video I made. I hope this will encourage MALLC learners/users!

Jerm · Jul 4, 2015

TrueSapphire said:
3DS (Other videos)

SSB4 3DS (Shulk | Montage) – MALLC (TrueSapphire)

Potato quality + Basic Windows Movie Maker skills + Pulling an all-nighter = First 3DS montage of pure MALLC highlights?

In all seriousness, I'm proud of this video I made. I hope this will encourage MALLC learners/users!

That was actually really good! Awesome stuff :D

Shulkamania · Jul 8, 2015

Hello, everybody I was hoping to get some feedback on a set that I had on Smash Central's stream today. There was some lag, but it wasn't terrible and I was able to adjust. So feel free to call out anything questionable, I'm just trying to get better. Thank you.
http://www.twitch.tv/smashcentralofficial/v/7108279

Zatchiel · Jul 10, 2015

Shulkamania said:
Hello, everybody I was hoping to get some feedback on a set that I had on Smash Central's stream today. There was some lag, but it wasn't terrible and I was able to adjust. So feel free to call out anything questionable, I'm just trying to get better. Thank you.
http://www.twitch.tv/smashcentralofficial/v/7108279

Good plays. Shulk dittos are always fun to watch.

Practice Speed d-throw -> f-air in training mode. It can be difficult to consistently land as a true combo at low percents, but your opponent should not be escaping it so often. Just to be clear, it's d-throw -> dash into f-air asap. I think you were just going for d-throw -> jump -> f-air.

You seem to like Jump, so as someone who loves it I'd like to make a suggestion: Get used to going crazy offstage, especially with f-air. Just know your limits and you'll be surprised at how deep you can go with f-air and your double jump.

Never use Buster against Smash Shulk unless you're going to show some caution. While you were in Buster he successfully countered twice in less than ten seconds. Thankfully you dodged the second one, when he was in Smash, because it would have killed you.

MarioFireRed · Jul 11, 2015

Oh long time no see video thread

Recently uploaded a friendlies with one of my friends, Kyonn, against his

in 3DS 1.07 version (Since neither character got changed much in 1.08 beyond I figured it's still current) and am hoping to get some feedback if any. We've done other games in this session but this was the only one I went Shulk. Hopefully I've improved since the last time I posted on this board.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DzpTGJ5YVI (Likely the last 3DS replay I'll upload and excuse the potato quality).

Plain Yogurt · Jul 11, 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7q8tBRw_SI&index=2&list=PLPdgvNsDYFXUDCjnzM2FUE23_3GOGv2sN

Here's a match from my most recent tournament vs

I'm actually super bummed this was my only match recorded because I had a lot of intense games that night but what can you do.

Zatchiel · Jul 14, 2015

http://www.twitch.tv/supersmashbroswiiu/v/7562292?t=3h33m22s

Grand finals from today's tourney. Went to game 5. I had a ton of difficulty with ROB's projectiles during every match. I'm dissatisfied with how I couldn't really handle it, but I'm not sour. Made way more mistakes than that to which I'm aware.

Favorite moment was during the Battlefield game to take first stock.

MarioFireRed said:
Oh long time no see video thread

Recently uploaded a friendlies with one of my friends, Kyonn, against his in 3DS 1.07 version (Since neither character got changed much in 1.08 beyond I figured it's still current) and am hoping to get some feedback if any. We've done other games in this session but this was the only one I went Shulk. Hopefully I've improved since the last time I posted on this board.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DzpTGJ5YVI (Likely the last 3DS replay I'll upload and excuse the potato quality).

I'm not noticing anything exactly "wrong" with how you play, although I have big concerns about how you use your arts. I mean no offense, but you seemed to be using them all exactly the same way. You spend a lot of time in the air.

It wasn't much of an issue in the match you posted, as it looked like the Pit was having trouble adapting.

You have a good grasp on MALLC. Very good. You also like Jump and Speed a lot from what I can tell. If you haven't already, start working on short hop MALLC f-air, n-air, and b-air with both arts, since that makes transitioning into them a breeze. It even gives you some nifty combos to work with, as well as making your approach game a bit safer.

Jerm · Jul 14, 2015

Zatchiel said:
http://www.twitch.tv/supersmashbroswiiu/v/7562292?t=3h33m22s

Grand finals from today's tourney. Went to game 5. I had a ton of difficulty with ROB's projectiles during every match. I'm dissatisfied with how I couldn't really handle it, but I'm not sour. Made way more mistakes than that to which I'm aware.

Favorite moment was during the Battlefield game to take first stock.

I'm not noticing anything exactly "wrong" with how you play, although I have big concerns about how you use your arts. I mean no offense, but you seemed to be using them all exactly the same way. You spend a lot of time in the air.

It wasn't much of an issue in the match you posted, as it looked like the Pit was having trouble adapting.

You have a good grasp on MALLC. Very good. You also like Jump and Speed a lot from what I can tell. If you haven't already, start working on short hop MALLC f-air, n-air, and b-air with both arts, since that makes transitioning into them a breeze. It even gives you some nifty combos to work with, as well as making your approach game a bit safer.

Ehhh Miidas still looking very powerful haven't played that man ina while now. Mmmmmm on BF pivot uthrow to usmash Kreygasm. I rarely ever use uthrow very interesting mix up

He actually airdodged after almost all of your Uthrows which is a bad habit on Miidas' part xD

Lots of Dsmash on your part too but every single one pretty much paid off since you used them on those rolls, need to throw that attack back into my arsenal haven't been using it as of late. I noticed on the 2nd last game that you popped on smash when Miidas was at like 30% and you took a huge chunk of damage for it, what were you trying to accomplish with smash when the the ROB was still so healthy? I saw you utilize jump when Rob was off stage so that's good. Rob is extremely vulnerable when trying to recover so it's good to go out in jump every once and a while to try and gimp.

Couple of times when you were in Shield you were definitely having some troubles getting through all those annoying projectiles when Miidas was camping you out. What I like to do in that situation is inch your way up then read the super obvious Gyro toss and jump over it and punish with backslash. It will force the Rob off stage and will give you lots of stage control and much more options! One thing that I didn't see you take advantage of once was buster dthrow to ftilt. Whenever ROB is at like 0-30% you can pop on buster and simply dthrow into ftilt for an EZZZZ 27%. I saw you throw on buster a couple times but you were going really crazy throwing out a bunch of aerial hitboxes xD. All you gotta do is just chill on the ground and run through all of Rob's nonsense to get the grab. It's easier than you think since shield can negate all of his projectiles, especially if you power shield them.

I would say you used too much speed. I find speed not really that useful in this MU since it's much easier to keep getting smacked around by the projectiles. It's also harder to control Shulk in speed, especially online with a bunch of projectiles flying around you. Definitely swap out some speed and switch it with more buster. Buster can do a disgusting amount of percent, especially with them bairs. I saw you the one game just lighting Miidas up with buster bairs, did like 50% sooo good xD. Other than that it was a really good set! Great watch.

*Also loved how you jumped pass people to make them drop their guard and then you would bair them. Beautiful! Might try that out sometime :D It's a much less obvious use of bair.

kenniky · Jul 14, 2015

Jerm said:
Couple of times when you were in Shield you were definitely having some troubles getting through all those annoying projectiles when Miidas was camping you out. What I like to do in that situation is inch your way up then read the super obvious Gyro toss and jump over it and punish with backslash. It will force the Rob off stage and will give you lots of stage control and much more options!

A use for Back Slash!? :O

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