you failed to put him in your strong town pile of Sang/J/Koopy/Sparky.
He's clearly there as the third person.
Sang, J, Kantrip, Spak, and Koops are probably my strong town reads in no order.
What about his intent "screams" townie? What "a lot" is "very easy" to explain from a town PoV? You are the first person to hold these strong stances on Kanty being that townie
He's pretty much sticking to his guns consistently and if you look at any of his posts, there is pretty much no attempt made to cover his tracks or to deviate from scum hunting. He's either playing a strong scum game or he's just playing genuinely town, and I definitely have no reason to assume that he's scum. He's also in the boat where he's gotten semi-constant **** but literally hasn't changed at all regardless. Pressure hasn't changed his gameplay in the slightest, and he's still just trying to figure out information. Like, almost anything he's questioned about I can just look back in his posts and answer the call outs through his posts and a little bit of common sense. I just don't have a reason to scum read a player like this.
On Page 3 he's just trying to get information to start building a read on Koops with his questions in regards to Kary's church. Putting him in a hypothetical situation in which, if actually answered, serves no more than to give more context on Koops mindset (which honestly helped in me reading Koops). At the end, he questions you asking Rake questions in regards to his... usual questions. While I can understand you wanting to get information from it, I can DEFINITELY understand anyone looking at that and thinking "Why is J of all people questioning Rake's RVS questions?" Clear intent on page 3.
I decided it was better to just let Rake respond and see what J has to say about that rather than spelling it out for him. I'll probably learn more that way.
This is one of the few reasons why I would accept him dropping his questioning and backing off entirely in regards to J, because with how J responded, it was clear that J was going after something specific, and with how Kantrip feels about Rake's questions, it was very clear that J would get way more from them than he would. 130 continues to define this in more detail and more consistency.
What were you hoping for? I got what I wanted out of your response and had no further questions.
I am keeping my cards close to my chest because it helps me form stronger opinions rather than spewing thoughts the second they pop into my head.
This post literally does nothing aside from showing more consistency with his play. Whenever he got the information he felt he needed to make reads, he didn't go for a huge follow up, he just stopped. This was with Koops, this was with Soup, this was with J's initial line of questioning...
His J vote wasn't something I can agree with, as I've stated already. Based on his previous posts and line of thinking, the way he presented the vote, however, makes a lot of sense to me along with why he voted J.
That was my thoughts on Kantrip prior to him removing his vote on you. I may have (read: probably did) had bias in regards to his vote on you and are missing some things that may be questionable, but the reasoning prior to his vote and how he has played the game... there is just no reason for me to sit there and think of him as a scummy slot.
Why Spak and Koops? These are the only ones not explained further and are probably the most important of them to have claimed.
I have to explain my town reads????? lakmweflkamwef
Spak is honestly just a strong gut read and I don't have reason to back off of it early, then on top of his 177 literally walking us through his thought process. Parts like this:
I thought his line of questioning with Koops was pretty legit, he was asking all of the questions I was thinking while I was reading through the earlier part of the thread. I'm still concerned about the OMGUS regarding J though, that seemed a bit sudden for a vote. He will probably argue it was to get us out of RVS, and that has townie motives, but I feel like that vote wasn't to contribute to conversation, but rather to try to scare J and shut down conversation. I know that Kantrip knows that scaring J isn't a thing that is accomplished that easily, though, so provoking J like that may have been intending to boost thread activity?
Honestly, I can't see a scum player thinking like this. It's less fence-sitting and more "I'm not quite sure what to think of this player's specific action but here are all of my thoughts on the issue" and I don't know why a scum player would do this in this way.
Koops is just making his intent crystal clear and is playing like a dream townie honestly. J and Spak explained it best. While his posts in the beginning weren't that alignment telling, his intentions were clearly good and he was simply asking the right questions. After the beginning, he hasn't done anything to make me look at him and think "am I town reading a scummy player?" It's more of a "I'm really content with having you in my town reads because you haven't done anything even slightly scummy and you've been really productive, meaning there are tons of priorities in votes before you" more than "You have to be town!!"
(You're currently condemning Soup for not explaining KoopsTown very well, so I'm expecting something substantial)
Nooope.
Soup was giving subpar meta reasoning to null-scum read Koops that couldn't progress the game and couldn't be debated. You can't debate with "I felt Koops was a little less inclined to make idle comments like he has that I don't really feel are necessary." because it's literally just a close-minded meta opinion. Our thoughts on Koops are completely different, not similar.
If you think our reads are similar, you really need to re-read Soup's posts.
~ Gheb ~
