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[PLATINUM7]

I think you mean you are going to take Hearts, since that's what the Phantom Thieves do.

>Hasn't played character or character's game
>Decides to main them

Shiny, I love you like a brother, but calm down my guy.

Imagine people picking mains based on how they play.

 

[Idon]

Yeah, Joker feels like he has a lot of tools but it feels impossible to kill without Arsene and even when I have Arsene, people can camp it out until Arsene leaves (really wish they'd let us choose when to unleash Arsene). Also, the counter gimmick takes some getting used to.

I wish it functioned more like Wii Fit's Deep Breathing where you temporarily access the boost mode of your own free will before having to have a cooldown.

Let's you do it on your own terms, be active in having it, be decisive with it, and in general is a bit more fun than "please hit me so I can go into cool Stando mode." or worse, activating it randomly.

Like one easy change could be say... having the bar full makes it so Arsene only procs when you down B again rather than when Arsene wants to, similar to Cloud limit. In exchange for this, you could potentially nerf his duration or something.

 

[Arthur97]

Okay, so you don't like him. That's fine, but you can't just go full conspiracy theorist and say that he's not the most popular Male FE character when all signs point to the him being just that.

It says a lot that he tops those polls all damn time when BOTH Marth and Roy have been in Smash longer. You don't have to like him, that's ok, but evidence is evidence my friend.

I have pointed out serious flaws with your evidence, and you just cling to quantity over quality. Ever consider that it's probably a lot of the same voters in those Famitsu polls? Would stand to reason it didn't change much. A few thousand do not speak for everyone. Especially when only one region is polled.

Considering Roy and Hector are in the male top five as well, there's no reason to believe fans of older games funneled all their votes onto Ike...

No, but Awakening and Fates easily had the most votes overall yet their votes were more dispersed for their games (having not only all four main characters from Awakening, but also several minor characters in the top 20 of each gender). Meanwhile, the older games mostly stuck with their lords. So it stands to reason a lot of Tellius and Smash fans (it's no coincidence Roy and Ike topped the male side and were the two most memed FE fighters) consolidated.

Everybody got the same amount of votes, seems pretty fair to me. It's not a mystery who's on top, you can quantitatively prove that Ike only with his PoR votes is FE's 2nd most popular character, and with his RD votes FE's most popular character by thousands of votes.

Third. Ike alone came in third. Again though, that's measuring dedication if they're repeats. That would be like saying a cult classic film is as popular as Iron Man just because its fans are quite dedicated and voted for it repeatedly instead of casually voting for several movies they liked.. A lot of newer fans tend to lean toward the casual side and (as the dispersion seems to indicate) spread their votes out more. When you stack both Ike's votes, it becomes even more of an issue as repeats are even more likely. Plus, if you take adding votes to the extreme, then I think Anna might actually be the most popular depending on how you look at them (they are technically separate entities). Does that make Anna the most popular? Doubtful.

Now, these are theories, but they are still valid reasons to take this data with a lot of salt since it's fairly likely that the data is not entirely accurate. Vaguely, sure. It's probably safe to say the top ranking characters are among the most popular, but specifically, it gets much more gray because their collection methods were not really about gathering data as much as it was to play a game with a prize. That alone can skew the results.

And the Famitsu polls have such a narrow collection pool they are hardly worth taking seriously if you want to know how the fanbase feels.

 

[Noipoi]

Any update on that datamine?

 

[KarneraMythos]

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Seriously? Oh well, on the bright side we actually got P3 music in Smash.

Honestly, it's a better alternative to no music lyrics at all, which had a bunch of people worried. I haven't played any of the Persona games (YET), but I have good friends who adore the series and I've been exposed to the music in the past. I for one am glad we get to play a Smash game with Mass Destruction blasting in the background. That is ****ing epic.

 

[Will]

I wish it functioned more like Wii Fit's Deep Breathing where you temporarily access the boost mode of your own free will before having to have a cooldown.

Let's you do it on your own terms, be active in having it, be decisive with it, and in general is a bit more fun than "please hit me so I can go into cool Stando mode." or worse, activating it randomly.

Like one easy change could be say... having the bar full makes it so Arsene only procs when you down B again rather than when Arsene wants to, similar to Cloud limit. In exchange for this, you could potentially nerf his duration or something.

They could've literally copied Heritage to the Future in its entirety to where you could summon Arsene instantly but Arsene could also take direct damage and be temporarily unavailable after being damaged for long enough.

But nah, we got Incineroar's revenge having a baby with Cloud limit

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Finally got Joker, but I ain’t gonna play him until tomorrow...but I gotta listen to the songs real quick

 

[Roberk]

Have you played as him and enjoyed playing as him?

If so, then yes, you can.

The validation of random internet strangers invigorates me.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Any update on that datamine?

The Jane files got scrapped and they buffed Kirby and K.Rool

 

[Idon]

played Nocturne

YOU PLAYED NOCTURNE?

I mean we were before, but now double homeboys.

They could've literally copied Heritage to the Future in its entirety to where you could summon Arsene instantly but Arsene could also take direct damage and be temporarily unavailable after being damaged for long enough.

But nah, we got Incineroar's revenge having a baby with Cloud limit

Yeah, they did something similar with Persona 4 Arena where the Persona comes out for certain attacks and landing any hit on them breaks one of their hitpoints and if all of them get broken you're in dangerous waters.

 

[Roberk]

YOU PLAYED NOCTURNE?
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I mean we were before, but now double homeboys.

Well, started playing, so no spoilers.

 

[Shroob]

The duality of man.


I want Nintendo to stop ****ing up and stop leaking things through internal files. It's 2019, we have the technology to break your encryptions and find what you're hiding.


But I also just want to know who we're getting to put the speculation cycle to bed. We've lived too long.

 

[Noipoi]

The Jane files got scrapped and they buffed Kirby and K.Rool

That it? No codenames?

 

[Hinata]

Oh yeah, i'm gonna get sick of this victory animation.

"duh-nah da da da DA da, duh-duh-nuh duh duh"

 

[Idon]

That it? No codenames?

Well, "Joker" is a codename I suppose.

 

[osby]

Well, started playing, so no spoilers.

Demi-fiend finds a gun and says ****

 

[KarneraMythos]

YOU PLAYED NOCTURNE?
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I mean we were before, but now double homeboys.



Yeah, they did something similar with Persona 4 Arena where the Persona comes out for certain attacks and landing any hit on them breaks one of their hitpoints and if all of them get broken you're in dangerous waters.

Hey, since I've played Nocturne and the Devil May Cry games...does that make all of us Triple hee-homeboys Deluxe Supreme?

 

[Noipoi]

Well, "Joker" is a codename I suppose.

Alright, nothing new for speculation.

E3's around the corner so it shouldn't be too bad.

 

[Idon]

Hey, since I've played Nocturne and the Devil May Cry games...does that make all of us Triple hee-homeboys Deluxe Supreme?

You're goddamn King Frost.

 

[Will]

Alright, nothing new for speculation.

E3's around the corner so it shouldn't be too bad.

What's wrong with hiding filenames so no surprise is ruined?

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

So, a bit of an anlysis.

Joker's gameplay is VERY Fox McCloud. He's a character who you're best bet is to stay away and chip damage with Gun. He has a lot of tools for getting in and out which makes him obscenely tricky to counter. His Gun move in particular has a forward, back, and up dodge that grants slight invincibility AND is VERY fast. Great mix up. His Side B, which I'm not going to try to spell, is a perfect combi tool as well. Pulled off a f-tilt? Side special. Instant chip damage OT. Up B is a pretty good anti air. It has utility but it's very circumstantial. Tether is good though, long reach. His down Special is... bad. Like, it's utility in competitive play is going to be bare minimum. It's basically a counter attack but this counter is substantially more important to Joker than any other characters counter. It's one of the best ways to build up his Rebellion Meter and the Persona is about the only way you're going to get a KO. And that's IF they don't camp you out or out run you to drain your meter. Luckily, all specials are greatly improved with Persona. Gun can gimp much easier and rack up a helk of a lot of damage in no time. His aerials can now be kill moves kuch easier, they're still not amazing but they're decent, his Smash attacks are ludicrous and are still fast, and his tilts are super useful for pressure.

As much as I hate to say it... I think Joker is going to sit right around mid-low. Not awful, and his speed is a BIG boon, but as of now all I can tell is that he depends on the Persona and that thing is not easy to gain. I hope to see people prove me wrong. He's so much damn fun and I'd love to see him in Tournaments but... I dunno. He doesn't seem any higher than mid tier...

 

[Noipoi]

What's wrong with hiding filenames so no surprise is ruined?

Nothing wrong with it at all.

Just wanted to know if Nintendo let it slip again, and what that would entail.

 

[Ultomato]

Damn Arsene autocharges really fast

 

[Idon]

So, a bit of an anlysis.

Joker's gameplay is VERY Fox McCloud. He's a character who you're best bet is to stay away and chip damage with Gun. He has a lot of tools for getting in and out which makes him obscenely tricky to counter. His Gun move in particular has a forward, back, and up dodge that grants slight invincibility AND is VERY fast. Great mix up. His Side B, which I'm not going to try to spell, is a perfect combi tool as well. Pulled off a f-tilt? Side special. Instant chip damage OT. Up B is a pretty good anti air. It has utility but it's very circumstantial. Tether is good though, long reach. His down Special is... bad. Like, it's utility in competitive play is going to be bare minimum. It's basically a counter attack but this counter is substantially more important to Joker than any other characters counter. It's one of the best ways to build up his Rebellion Meter and the Persona is about the only way you're going to get a KO. And that's IF they don't camp you out or out run you to drain your meter. Luckily, all specials are greatly improved with Persona. Gun can gimp much easier and rack up a helk of a lot of damage in no time. His aerials can now be kill moves kuch easier, they're still not amazing but they're decent, his Smash attacks are ludicrous and are still fast, and his tilts are super useful for pressure.

As much as I hate to say it... I think Joker is going to sit right around mid-low. Not awful, and his speed is a BIG boon, but as of now all I can tell is that he depends on the Persona and that thing is not easy to gain. I hope to see people prove me wrong. He's so much damn fun and I'd love to see him in Tournaments but... I dunno. He doesn't seem any higher than mid tier...

It would help if I could get Arsene more than at most once per stock. RANDOMLY.

The Arsene mechanic is so damn cool and it reminds me of DMC4 Nero Devil Trigger so much, so why Sakurai...
Why did you make it so that I got it so scarcely and can't use it when I want to?

LET ME USE MY STANDO POWAHS.

 

[Will]

Nothing wrong with it at all.

Just wanted to know if Nintendo let it slip again, and what that would entail.

So you're on the edge of your seat seeing what Endgame is all about since Marvel slipped too, right? i dont actually know im just making a comparison

 

[Ultomato]

Hey so uhm...
How do those Gun trickerinos work?

 

[Will]

Hey so uhm...
How do those Gun trickerinos work?

same way pit's arrows work

flick a direction and pop a cap in someones ass

 

[Kingslime304]

Joker is now annoying to fight.

 

[Noipoi]

So you're on the edge of your seat seeing what Endgame is all about since Marvel slipped too, right? i dont actually know im just making a comparison

Nah, i'm more serious when it comes to story spoilers.

Smash spoilers are just characters, no plot twists or anything.

 

[Idon]

Hey so uhm...
How do those Gun trickerinos work?

Think of it like a stance.

Press B to go into "Gun stance" and fire one shot.
Then press Back B or Forward B to dodge in that direction and fire a shot forward.
Press Jump and B to go into your jumping downwards gun spin

It also works for the air too.

Press B to fire a shot and go into "gun stance"
Then press down B to do a downwards gun spin.
Press up B to do a spinning gun attack
Press Forward and Back B to airdodge forward or back and fire a shot forward.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

That it? No codenames?

Tbf they deleted evidence of Jack and Brave after they spread online. Then again it might just take some more digging

 

[Captain Fun]

The Jane files got scrapped and they buffed Kirby and K.Rool

Any source on this?

Not that I really expected dataminers to find anything useful but yeah.

Also I'm curious to see how Joker's datamined files match his current ones. I remember the old datamine for jack determined he had a rapid jab, which isn't the case for Joker.

edit: found them
https://twitter.com/Meshima_/status/1118710812162412545

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Only thing I fear about Endgame is my boi Rocket dying. Take anyone else just not him...

 

[Deleted member]

Going through the Persona spirits, already don't know the references. Ann's above Makoto, Futaba, and Haru spirit-level wise, so Sakurai know's what's up, at least.

Boy, hopefully there's a way where I can understand these references in the near future because of Joker's inclusion.

: ^ )

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Think of it like a stance.

Press B to go into "Gun stance" and fire one shot.
Then press Back B or Forward B to dodge in that direction and fire a shot forward.
Press Jump and B to go into your jumping downwards gun spin

It also works for the air too.

Press B to fire a shot and go into gun stance
Then press down B to do a downwards gun spin.
Press up B to do a spinning gun attack
Press Forward and Back B to airdodge forward or back and fire a shot forward.

Wait he can do Rainstorm in the air? Does he at least not get altitude?

 

[Will]

Nah, i'm more serious when it comes to story spoilers.

Smash spoilers are just characters, no plot twists or anything.

Those characters are pretty important to a lot of people though. Since there are only 4 spots left, knowing it would kind of throw away anyone's suspense, hopes, and that type of stuff. If a filename is found and it isn't ambiguous, I'm pro-spoiler hiding in the thread. Just me tho.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I have pointed out serious flaws with your evidence, and you just cling to quantity over quality. Ever consider that it's probably a lot of the same voters in those Famitsu polls? Would stand to reason it didn't change much. A few thousand do not speak for everyone. Especially when only one region is polled.

No, but Awakening and Fates easily had the most votes overall yet their votes were more dispersed for their games (having not only all four main characters from Awakening, but also several minor characters in the top 20 of each gender). Meanwhile, the older games mostly stuck with their lords. So it stands to reason a lot of Tellius and Smash fans (it's no coincidence Roy and Ike topped the male side and were the two most memed FE fighters) consolidated.

Third. Ike alone came in third. Again though, that's measuring dedication if they're repeats. That would be like saying a cult classic film is as popular as Iron Man just because its fans are quite dedicated and voted for it repeatedly instead of casually voting for several movies they liked.. A lot of newer fans tend to lean toward the casual side and (as the dispersion seems to indicate) spread their votes out more. When you stack both Ike's votes, it becomes even more of an issue as repeats are even more likely. Plus, if you take adding votes to the extreme, then I think Anna might actually be the most popular depending on how you look at them (they are technically separate entities). Does that make Anna the most popular? Doubtful.

Now, these are theories, but they are still valid reasons to take this data with a lot of salt since it's fairly likely that the data is not entirely accurate. Vaguely, sure. It's probably safe to say the top ranking characters are among the most popular, but specifically, it gets much more gray because their collection methods were not really about gathering data as much as it was to play a game with a prize. That alone can skew the results.

And the Famitsu polls have such a narrow collection pool they are hardly worth taking seriously if you want to know how the fanbase feels.

So, then what do we say about Lucina? Or Lyn? Or Roy? Hector? Celica? What makes any of their situations different than Ike's because, if what you're saying is true, wouldn't you think that Chrom would've been one of the top contenders?

Literally, you're finding reasons for him NOT to be the most popular and crafting theories that effect EVERY character but are trying to use it ONLY against Ike. That makes no sense. Lyn's placement ABOVE Lucina solidifies that she is more popular of a character than Lucina. Not by much mind you but if you take a look at the details we HAVE and not at a THEORY you crafted because you don't want a character to be popular you will EASILY see that Ike is the most popular Male character in Fire Emblem. Like, I said, you can not like him. That's fine. Even though he's one of the most human, most fleshed out, most characterized characters, in the entire series if you don't like him, that's your business. But you can not just DECIDE that he's not the most popular character because you don't want him to be.

 

[Kingslime304]

Oh noes, joker side b spamming.
The gun gimps.
It’s getting on my nerves honestly.

 

[Idon]

Wait he can do Rainstorm in the air? Does he at least not get altitude?

Yeah if he does the rainstorm in the air, he won't do his high jump like on the ground.

 

[Shroob]

The gun jokes will get stale very quickly.

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But that time is not now