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[Deleted member]

A bad recovery isn't going to make him complete trash if he has a good neutral, just look at Cloud.

tbh wolf would be a be a better example of "godlike neutral but meh recovery" character

cloud is good but he gets consistently beat out the moment a character invades his space

i read "can't think straight" and subconsciously typed a response

dost though ****post tendencies taken over thy mind

 

[Idon]

Bruh these stats aren't final remember when Plant had the worst run speed in the game?

Besides Joker is definitely a jumper, he can leap up and off buildings easy. In fact, one of his signature attacks is leaping on a dude Diddy style and ripping off their mask.

 

[Deleted member]

not to be controversial or anything but

 

[Deleted member]

Bruh these stats aren't final remember when Plant had the worst run speed in the game?

Besides Joker is definitely a jumper, he can leap up and off buildings easy. In fact, one of his signature attacks is leaping on a dude Diddy style and ripping off their mask.

I am really excited to play Joker.

 

[Hinata]

Bruh these stats aren't final remember when Plant had the worst run speed in the game?

Besides Joker is definitely a jumper, he can leap up and off buildings easy. In fact, one of his signature attacks is leaping on a dude Diddy style and ripping off their mask.

That move will be one of his specials.

If you use it on Meta Knight, you instantly win.

 

[allison]

dost though ****post tendencies taken over thy mind

that already happened long ago

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Hot take: Joker will be a low-tier underdog, then patches will overbuff him until he's top 10.

 

[Wunderwaft]

I think cloud is overrated so that's a yikes

and yeah I know that but as the meta progresses, characters with bad recovery get worse over time. Once people edgegaurd more it's over for chrom

I don't see Cloud dropping out of tier lists unless he gets nerfed for no reason. He still has a great neutral with a good approach kit. Regardless of whether you think he's overrated or not, he still carries some punch with his disjoints and limit breaks.

While this is true, his **** recovery is still holding him back a lot.

It does, but it's not a complete deal breaker as some might picture it to be. It's manageable if you know how to recover low, which shouldn't be that hard now as more people have gotten accustomed to the engine.

 

[SneakyLink]

not to be controversial or anything but
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I only wanted one part, but this works better.

 

[Deleted member]

Hot take: Joker will be a low-tier underdog, then patches will overbuff him until he's top 10.

Huh, so he is getting the Smash 4 Lucina, Bowser and Donkey Kong treatment?

 

[Idon]

Hot take: Joker will be a low-tier underdog, then patches will overbuff him until he's top 10.

Implying Sakurai will let that happen.

Just you wait, Joker's going to summon Lucifer and Morning Star everyone into high heaven.

 

[Deleted member]

Joker is merely a sacrifice for the one true god tier

 

[Deleted member]

not to be controversial or anything but
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Science could not figure out this secret at all.
Proof that you are god.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I don't see Cloud dropping out of tier lists unless he gets nerfed for no reason. He still has a great neutral with a good approach kit. Regardless of whether you think he's overrated or not, he still carries some punch with his disjoints and limit breaks.


It does, but it's not a complete deal breaker as some might picture it to be. It's manageable if you know how to recover low, which shouldn't be that hard now as more people have gotten accustomed to the engine.

Also true. Besides, we was considered 2nd best in Smash 4 despite the Mac-tier recovery, so y'know, recovery isn't everything.

And honestly, compared to other Smash 4 top tiers, Cloud got it really easy. Only him and ZSS were relatively spared from the nerf hammer.

 

[Deleted member]

Speaking of FighterZ, how about that last DLC spot.

Pan? Roshi? Janemba? Bojack? Raditz? Zarbon? Dr. Gero? Android 19? Tapion? Pikkon? Who y'all want.

Give me Roshi please as that's the only way I would pick the game up again, I've been waiting for the boy since the day the game released. My boy Roshi would fit perfectly for a Dragon Ball Rep as that's when he was the most important and we don't have an OG DB Rep yet so he'd be the best pick for it.

Unless we get another Goku which wouldn't be very cool as we just got GT Goku so put my boy in there he deserves it and even now in Super he held his own in the ToP which they could pull some of his moves from like his "Final Kamehameha" as a Level 3 for that matter he could be a unique Trapper/Bait and Switch Character with him using the Mafuba and all.

Put my boy in there, He deserves it.

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[Deleted member]

These black hole memes are becoming to powerful.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Huh, so he is getting the Smash 4 Lucina, Bowser and Donkey Kong treatment?

None of those characters ever got to top 10.

I was thinking more like Smash 4 Mewtwo.

 

[Deleted member]

I got cast to voice act for this pretty popular YouTuber and it’s taking 5,000 years for him to get back to me.

 

[Moydow]

I got an arena going for whoever wants in:

ID: 22L7J
Pass: 1456

And the usual stream at http://twitch.tv/moydow

Still three spots open for whoever wants them

 

[staindgrey]

Actually Goku Black is more like Ginyu, Baby is outright possession.

It's more like a fusion, so he'd still be a half since I counted Vegito and Gogeta as halves.

They really took Vegeta saying Goku is better to mean that Vegeta just kind of... gave up training.

Which is totally out of character.

I don't think that's the case. He's still shown to have his training equipment, and he has that conversation with Trunks and Goten about how they've skimped on their training in these times of peace, implying that he, himself, hasn't.

I think they ran with the idea that Vegeta, while still motivated to train, had truly recognized that Goku had something he didn't. We have to remember too that in the context of GT, set fifteen years after the end of Z, Vegeta hasn't seen Goku in five years, nor has he had literally anyone at his level to fight against or threats to thwart. He's become a family man, apparently making his own money as he says Bra is spending all his money, which means he's no longer a freeloader training all day every day. They took that moment where he sacrificed himself against Buu, and then the following moment of internal recognition of Goku's superiority, and made it a turning point for the character into his true maturity. People change as they get older, and unlike Super's Vegeta, GT's Vegeta had fifteen years of peace in which to think about these things and change his ways.

Where Super alters this is by introducing a new way to level the playing field for Vegeta-- the SSG transformation that's given just by having five saiyan friends-- and reverting him back to how he was prior to those revelations at the end of the Buu saga. He and Goku are even again, they have divine ki now, and he gets to skip SS3 and challenge Goku anew, reigniting that spark. Since this all happens within, what, a year or two of Buu's defeat and before Bulla is even born, it's believable. But I'd argue that so is GT's characterization. People change. They realize things about themselves. And in both Super and GT, Vegeta turned from a manchild obsessed with being the prince of an extinct species to a father and husband responsible for his family-- they just went about it two different ways across two believable paths.

EDIT: A further note that I need to praise GT for: The implication that Vegeta can't reach greater heights by training alone.

Aside from his powerup to SS1 offscreen, born of obsession with Goku achieving it, powerups happen either through training with others or story-explained reasons or needs produced by a more powerful threat. In the context of GT, Vegeta had none of those for at minimum five years. If we were playing by Super's rules, he could just "train" offscreen and become a god or whatever. But by stricter DBZ rules, Vegeta had no catalyst to cause a change, no "need instead of a desire". Like the humans who reached their peak, Vegeta had reached his. And nothing was around to propel him past it after Buu was vanquished. We have to remember that Goku willingly said bye to his seemingly only equal to go train alone with the reincarnation of Buu. Ten years after Buu had died. It's possible that both Goku and Vegeta were simply running idle, unable to get any stronger with each other until Baby came and forced both of them to. One through desperation and one through artificial powerups.

 

[Shroob]

The black hole image is now 'controversial'?


What isn't 'controversial' anymore?

 

[Idon]

Still three spots open for whoever wants them

I'll be there in an hour or so.

 

[Gentlepanda]

Joker is merely a sacrifice for the one true god tier

i get to use this twice in one evening?

 

[Deleted member]

Give me Roshi please as that's the only way I would pick the game up again, I've been waiting for the boy since the day the game released. My boy Roshi would fit perfectly for a Dragon Ball Rep as that's when he was the most important and we don't have an OG DB Rep yet so he'd be the best pick for it.

Unless we get another Goku which wouldn't be very cool as we just got GT Goku so put my boy in there he deserves it and even now in Super he held his own in the ToP which they could pull some of his moves from like his "Final Kamehameha" as a Level 3 for that matter he could be a unique Trapper/Bait and Switch Character with him using the Mafuba and all.

Put my boy in there, He deserves it.

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Roshi is probably my next pick down now that kid Goku is in (not in the way that anyone wanted but it's better than nothing). Just any sort of acknowledgement of anything before DBZ would be nice.

 

[Deleted member]

final average of 2.0.2 pro tier lists btw, taken from reddit

pichu sits atop his throne of skulls with peach and daisy either side of him

Hold the **** up. Am I seein' my boy K. Rool in F tier or is my red eye messing with me?

 

[Iridium]

I think we can all accept and come to terms with Joker becoming 2.0 at least.

The black hole image is now 'controversial'?


What isn't 'controversial' anymore?

I think I need context on this one.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Still three spots open for whoever wants them

Make that two spots

 

[Deleted member]

Still three spots open for whoever wants them

Allow me to yeet myself in.

 

[allison]

hashtag new profile pic hashtag black hole meme

 

[ClaTheBae]

Hold the **** up. Am I seein' my boy K. Rool in F tier or is my red eye messing with me?

yeah he sucks

 

[Pyra]

Listen okay I started drawing Jane and Jimmy Neutron put together and ended up drawing someone entirely different in a Jimmy cosplay and I’m confused as to how I got here but **** it

I’m sorry in advance

Cursed image:

Spoiler

Jokes aside though I ended up losing to my internal dialogue about how bad I am at everything so I’ll be taking a break for a bit.

 

[Deleted member]

i get to use this twice in one evening?

Ryuji's face perfectly fits my response towards this.

 

[Deleted member]

I try to join an arena for once and my lofe and it’s full. RIP

When a spot is open, can someone ping me?

 

[Wunderwaft]

Hold the **** up. Am I seein' my boy K. Rool in F tier or is my red eye messing with me?

Well, yeah.
K. Rool is trash, he gets completely blown away by any character that can outrun him and pressure him. He's slow and complete combo food to any character that is faster than him.

 

[Gentlepanda]

Listen okay I started drawing Jane and Jimmy Neutron put together and ended up drawing someone entirely different in a Jimmy cosplay and I’m confused as to how I got here but **** it

I’m sorry in advance

Cursed image:

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Jokes aside though I ended up losing to my internal dialogue about how bad I am at everything so I’ll be taking a break for a bit.

is this the face of god itself?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Why the **** is checking the rules of the goddamn arena an action that takes you out of the waiting queue?

That's so ****ing stupid!

 

[Deleted member]

Listen okay I started drawing Jane and Jimmy Neutron put together and ended up drawing someone entirely different in a Jimmy cosplay and I’m confused as to how I got here but **** it

I’m sorry in advance

Cursed image:

Spoiler

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Jokes aside though I ended up losing to my internal dialogue about how bad I am at everything so I’ll be taking a break for a bit.

I love this thread.

 

[Mythra]

Listen okay I started drawing Jane and Jimmy Neutron put together and ended up drawing someone entirely different in a Jimmy cosplay and I’m confused as to how I got here but **** it

I’m sorry in advance

Cursed image:

Spoiler

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Jokes aside though I ended up losing to my internal dialogue about how bad I am at everything so I’ll be taking a break for a bit.

Im mentally and spiritually traumatized by this.


Please continue; it is amazing.

 

[Deleted member]

user tier list for 4000 pages
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**** you @Shishœ @Smashing Ramen for changing your pfps i refuse to put in effort to remedy that

where would I be tho

 

[Wunderwaft]

Why the **** is checking the rules of the goddamn arena an action that takes out of the waiting queue?

That's so ****ing stupid!

$20