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[Deleted member]

The fact it points to the post is amazing.

only the highest quality ****posts in this joint

like straight up 480p hd

 

[Arcanir]

That's why we're going to get a bonus "promotional" Nintendo character.

And that's going to be the Astral Chain Twins. Mark my words on this one.

I can see it, Nintendo knows the power of Smash and it wouldn't be surprising if they have one character that they'd like to push for promotional or popularity reasons. It's especially the case if the character brings something to the table that would make them enticing from a gameplay perspective, that's part of the reason why Corrin was picked by Sakurai and his team and it would help in making them stand out from the other Third Party characters in the pack.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

I know the "Smash bubble" argument is about thinking that DLC has to be highly conservative, but come on.

That's not what the "Smash Bubble" argument is about at all. Take it from the guy who coined the phrase.

The "Smash Bubble" argument is about looking outside of our little bubble on the internet (consisting of Smashboards, GameFAQs, 4chan, Reddit, etc.) and considering that there are other fanbases and demographics out there.

From that perspective, @Mr. Wario is right. Dixie is largely a core speculation pick, and wouldn't necessarily appeal to a large, wider audience.

TBH I'd rather have Smash Run back.

Mr. Dr. Wario is not right with this statement though.

 

[Deleted member]

I also stand by Ezio being a sleeper pick. I did a whole rant about him. I’m fact, since I am nothing if not repetitive and a shill for myself, here’s that rant in all its glory. Forgive the sudden wall of text. Ahem


“

Ezio is the main character of Assassin’s Creed 2, developed by Ubisoft. As an assassin, his family is killed setting up a revenge quest against the Templar Order. Ezio quickly became a breakout character. Assassin’s Creed 2 was received better than the first, and Ezio would later go onto star in several more games. He is undeniably the series’ most popular character, and the series itself continues to thrive and sell well to this very day. Hell, Assassin’s Creed 2 alone sold over 1.6 million in its very first week, and has sold well over 10 million copies. Ubisoft has famously had a rather strong relationship with Nintendo as of late. Rayman, another of the company’s mascots, was featured as a trophy in Smash 4, one of the only third party trophies without a character in the game. Rayman alongside the Rabbids are featured in Ultimate as spirits, and Rayman legends was pledged to be a Wii U exclusive and wa spublished by Nintendo in Japan. Hell, just look at Mario+Rabbids or Starlink. Nintendo has a tight grip over their IP, so the fact that they trusted Ubisoft with these crossovers, even with their biggest franchise in Mario, just demonstrates their relationship. Needless, to say, negotiations wouldn’t be an issue, and based on datamining it seems Rayman was included as one of the earlier spirits. Ubisoft was one of the first developers to announce a Switch game, alongside Sega(got a new character) and Square(rumoured to get a new character).Now, you may by asking:


Why wouldn’t it be Rayman then?


Here’s the thing, Rayman, while certainly finding success, is just eclipsed by Assassin’s Creed in popularity. Remember, Nintendo is ultimately the one deciding here, and Assassin’s Creed is arguably Ubisoft’s biggest franchise these days. Ezio himself is very iconic, and with the DLC lineup seemingly going for popular third-parties, Ezio fits that lineup quite nicely.
Here’s another thing that’s pretty interesting
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&t=2045&v=VZ8VyX8-PV8
That’s Xander Mobus saying that alongside Rayman, one of the fake names he got given was Altair, protagonist of the first Assassin’s Creed. This suggests two things. One, NOA at least has Assassin’s Creed on the mind. Two, NOA has other Ubisoft franchises apart from Rayman and the Rabbids on the mind. There’s also the question of Rayman being a trophy for two games in a row now which makes me wonder if the Smash team really thinks he should be added.

But Assassin’s Creed isn’t popular in Japan!

That’s another interesting thing. Surprisngly, even to me, while the series initially seems to have sold poorly over in Japan (Assassin’s Creed 2 sold around 250,000 copes in Japan based on the notoriously innacurate VGChartz), the more recent entries seem to have flipped that around. In this interview http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2018/09/12/assassins-creed-odyssey-rpg-series-transformation/ Ubisoft Asia general manager Steve Miller says the series has a “core following” in Japan and is one of the most successful Western series over there. That’s a direct statement from a guy who would know about this. These articles http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2018..._assassins_creed_odyssey_starts_strong_on_ps4
http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2017...rts_assassins_creed_origins_climbs_into_top_5 depict the recent entries in the series topping the sales upon their week of release. With this, I think it’s fair to say that the series at least isn’t a flop over there. For comparison, here’s how Rayman sells over in Japan https://nintendoeverything.com/rayman-legends-sells-under-1500-copies-in-its-first-week-in-japan/ https://gonintendo.com/stories/302881-japan-rayman-legends-definitive-edition-first-day-sell-through
This is just another argument for Ezio being chosen over Rayman. Whether it’s the East or the West, Assassin’s Creed frankly eclipses Rayman in popularity.
Here’s another thing, in Soul Calibur 5, the guest character for that game was our main man Ezio himself.

While Soul Calibur has included characters like Geralt who are far more popular in the West than Japan, this just further demonstrates that Ezio has clout. He’s been noticed by Japanese devs. He’s not an unknown. Ultimately no matter which way you slice it, Ezio is gonna be a bigger name than pretty much anybody else from Ubisoft,

The series has no history with Nintendo!

While the series ain’t exactly known for being on Nintendo, it’s made appearances. There have been several Assassin’s Creed games for the Wii U and 3DS. Just two days ago they announced that Assassin’s Creed 3 and Liberation would be remastered for the Switch. Hell, Assassin’s Creed Odyssey has been ported to the Switch too, albeit through a streaming service and exclusively in Japan. Another thing is that while Joker’s press release mentions SMT’s history with Ninty, Persona itself has never been on a Nintendo console, and with NOJ making decisions here I do have to wonder how big a factor history really is. With the rumoured Erdrick and the confirmed Joker, Nintendo seems to be wanting to draw in new audiences to Smash with the DLC. Ezio certainly does that considering he’s coming from a popular series that doesn’t have much overlap with Smash. I will concede though that this is a blow against him.

He’s too violent!

While Ezio is, y’know, an assassin, his actual weapons aren’t really much more violent than Snake choking someone or Joker using his knife. Plus Ike and Samus are mercenaries! They managed to fit him in Soul Calibur, Smash shouldn’t be too much harder. Again though, this is a bit of a point against him.

In conclusion, while Ezio is held back to an extent by his lack of history and violence, if Ubisoft is gonna get a character, I think it’s gonna be him. While Ubisoft couldvery well just not get a character, I think their (to put it bluntly) sucking up to Nintendo in recent years might just net them something in terms of Smash. Ezio is honestly an underrated character right now imo.”
There, now you know why I think E

I doubt this for one main reason. I still wholeheartedly believe that Rayman was gonna be the Ubisoft rep, and since he's deconfirmed for at least the 1st fighter passI don't think we'll see a Ubisoft rep until at least the 2nd Pass

1. Rayman fits in Smash better, aesthetically. Ubisoft and Nintendo both know this.

2. Although Assassins Creed is more popular, Rayman (and the Rabbids) have always been considered Ubisoft's mascots. Either of them would have likley entered consideration before Ezio

3. Rayman has appeared in Smash previously as a trophy already

4. Rayman has been a fan request for years, now. Ezio's following pales in comparison, and this is something that Nintendo would surely take into consideration.

 

[Deleted member]

Is it selfish to not like the Idea of the DLC being all 3rd party cause you haven't played a lot of third party games?

Cause that's how I feel, I'm a Nintendo fan first and foremost plus all the 3rd party Characters I want have some history with Nintendo (Geno & Banjo) or are some exception (Sans).

Is not selfish but a matter of preference.

My issue with this view is something that I see with many fans, because are you saying actually that franchises like CV, FF, DQ, SF, Contra, Megaman, and so on dont have history with Nintendo? And I would argue that many of them are even more important than many of the og Nintendo franchises.

Plus another thing. I never understood this notion of keeping everything Nintendo as the NES, SNES, and og GB were full of 3rd parties and were crucial for the systems successes.

 

[SuperSonicFlyer]

So, does anyone else think there could be a Direct this week?

 

[KMDP]

Where do you think these moves would fit in his Smash moveset?

While I'm completely unfamiliar with Terry Bogard, I can kinda see where those moves would fit.

Side Special
Down Special or Down Smash
Up Aerial
Neutral Aerial
Either Up Special or Dash Attack

 

[Hinata]

So, does anyone else think there could be a Direct this week?

Funny you mention that, Gaming Intel (who has been right about Direct dates in the past, but not 100%) just claimed there will be one on the 11th.

 

[Luigi The President]

Oh **** I forgot we might get Smash Tour back in 3.0.0...

PLEASE

A better Smash Tour would be amazing.

That's why we're going to get a bonus "promotional" Nintendo character.

And that's going to be the Astral Chain Twins. Mark my words on this one.

Sure a bonus could happen but not part of the 5

 

[Deleted member]

Dr. Wario is not right with this statement though.

I'll have you know that in my expert opinion as a doctor that Smash Run promotes good physical and mental health.

 

[Roberk]

That's not what the "Smash Bubble" argument is about at all. Take it from the guy who coined the phrase.

The "Smash Bubble" argument is about looking outside of our little bubble on the internet (consisting of Smashboards, GameFAQs, 4chan, Reddit, etc.) and considering that there are other fanbases and demographics out there.

From that perspective, @Mr. Wario is right. Dixie is largely a core speculation pick, and wouldn't necessarily appeal to a large, wider audience.

Dr. Wario is not right with this statement though.

>not liking Smash Run and wanting Smash Tour instead
That a yikes from me chief

 

[SuperSonicFlyer]

Funny you mention that, Gaming Intel (who has been right about Direct dates in the past) just claimed there will be one on the 11th.

Really? That actually is pretty funny, then.

 

[KMDP]

From that perspective,

Mr. Wario is right. Dixie is largely a core speculation pick, and wouldn't necessarily appeal to a large, wider audience.

Dixie would appeal to core Nintendo fans, and not much else.

But I don't think Dixie is really a "Smash Bubble" choice, she's more of a "Nintendo Bubble" choice.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

There's a lot of points that you brought up that make a ton of sense for Rayman and against Ezio but Cheif.

1. Rayman fits in Smash better, aesthetically. Ubisoft and Nintendo both know this.

This

Ain't

It

 

[Deleted member]

I want Smash Run back, mainly for the enemies. There are so many new ones they could introduce, like ones from Odyssey, Castlevania, Splatoon and more.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

You want my dream DLC lineup? I know I shilled one version, but I've revised it. Bolded is Fighters Pass 1, Italicized is Fighters Pass 2, Underlined is Ballot

1. Piranha Plant (he's perfect as is)
2. Joker (one of my boys came home)
3. Erdrick (Incentive for the Japanese)
4. Banjo (throw the core fans a bone)
5. Leon Kennedy (New genre, RE is a huge franchise as argued by Scoliosis Jones )
6. Lloyd Irving (Dual. Wielding. Swords. Also it's high time Namco gets another rep)
7. Astral Chain Twins (They look cool. I like them)
8. Kat (Because why not?)
9. Terry Bogard (Let's get SNK in this)
10. 2B (Sakurai really liked Nier: Automata)
11. Rex & Pyra (It's high time they came home)
12. Sora (It'd be perfect if he was revealed last since both of my boys would be coming home

 

[Deleted member]

There's a lot of points that you brought up that make a ton of sense for Rayman and against Ezio but Cheif.

This

Ain't

It

I'm talking in comparison to Rayman. Sega and Capcom already have "Cartoony' characters in Smash, and Ryu seems to fit Smash pretty well already.

 

[allison]

smash 2r: this time, theres uh, i cant think of anything in smash tour to riff off of because i cant remember anything about smash tour at all

 

[Deleted member]

I doubt this for one main reason. I still wholeheartedly believe that Rayman was gonna be the Ubisoft rep, and since he's deconfirmed for at least the 1st fighter passI don't think we'll see a Ubisoft rep until at least the 2nd Pass

1. Rayman fits in Smash better, aesthetically. Ubisoft and Nintendo both know this.

2. Although Assassins Creed is more popular, Rayman (and the Rabbids) have always been considered Ubisoft's mascots. Either of them would have likley entered consideration before Ezio

3. Rayman has appeared in Smash previously as a trophy already

4. Rayman has been a fan request for years, now. Ezio's following pales in comparison, and this is something that Nintendo would surely take into consideration.

Alright here we go.
1. I really don’t feel this argument holds up. It’s a crossover. The entire point is clashing series and aesthetics. We just got anime boy Joker when Jack Frost fits a cartoony style far better.
2. Jack Frost is Atlus’ mascot too. Plus in recent years I’d argue the assassins have become more emblematic of Ubisoft than Rayman, if only due to the series’ overwhelming popularity,
3. I think this hurts Rayman more than anything. He’s been a trophy for two games now, they went to Ubisoft to get the right just to put him as a trophy. It makes me question how strongly the smash team actually considers Rayman as a fighter.
4. Again, we just got Joker, a character who had very little fan support (shoutouts to DaybreakHorizon though). Rayman has more fan support, yes, but fan support can only get you so far. Think of it this way, Nintendo seems to be trying to appeal to mor rout there demographics with the DLC. Assasin’s Creed is one of the biggest global multimedia videogame series ever, with a ton of fans who might not necessarily be interested in Smash. By adding Ezio, you are tapping into that huge market.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Dixie would appeal to core Nintendo fans, and not much else.

But I don't think Dixie is really a "Smash Bubble" choice, she's more of a "Nintendo Bubble" choice.

It's the same difference. Nintendo already has buy in from the "Nintendo Bubble" since Smash Bros. is a Nintendo game.

Dixie is more of a base game pick rather than a DLC pick.

 

[Kingslime304]

Am I the only person who misses the original Naruto Ultimate Ninja series? I remember playing a lot of 2 and 3, and liking its gameplay more than the storm series. Kind of wish there was a reboot to it.

 

[Deleted member]

I Still think that if we're getting a Season 2 and if Sakurai is choosing the Characters (Please let Sakurai choose Season 2/Misc. DLC) Geno has a chance.

Erdrick will probably be our Square Rep for at least the first Season but Geno still has some stuff going for him that no other Square Rep does:

1) He's the easiest Square Rep to get, Sakurai already has the rights to use SMRPG Stuff, Yoko Shimomura the Composer of SMRPG is already on board, Square is already okay with Sakurai using SMRPG Stuff even down to little references such as Megasmilax in PPlant's PG, PPlant's Classic image being a reference to this commercial and other stuff like a Geno + Mallow Spirit, Etc. All of those things prove that Geno may be the easiest to negotiate for.

2) Sakurai has gone on record to state that he likes and wanted Geno in at the very least Brawl if not Brawl and Smash 4, That's a huge plus for Geno.

and more, I think if we get another Square rep after Erdrick and if we get a Season 2/Misc. DLC Geno has a high chance.

And there's nothing saying we won't get another Square Rep in a Season 2 or Misc. DLC cause if Sakurai wants to get another Square Rep regardless of if it's Geno or not he'll try and get it.

 

[Deleted member]

Mr. Dr. Wario is not right with this statement though.

ok I retract my shoutout what the hell is this monstrosity of an opinion

 

[Knight Dude]

It's interesting that you bring up Terry. I'm not going to argue he would be super distinct from Ryu but he's still unique. Fundamentally, compared to Ryu's proper martial arts Terry is mainly a street brawler, which gives him a different style to his punches and kicks and a different personality in the way he animates. Looking at actual moves, Terry's known for his signature moves Burn Knuckle and Power Wave

These I think are somewhat unique in the larger context of Smash, certainly pretty distinct to the street fighters. That's not to mention Terry's acrobatics too

Overall, while I think Terry wouldn't be the most unique character of all time, I'd say he has more than enough to make him feel distinct.

I'm mad at myself missing a Terry Bogard post. But yes, his fighting style is vastly different from Ryu. And unlike Ryu/Ken, Terry's moveset tends to rotate attacks more often between the dozens of KOF and Fatal Fury games, it's an SNK thing. While Ryu and Ken have a few unique special attacks, but still have Hadouken, Shoryuken and Tatsu, being more overall consistent.

Power Wave being a Projectile that moves along the ground would be fairly unique as far as Smash goes.

 

[KMDP]

You want my dream DLC lineup? I know I shilled one version, but I've revised it. Bolded is Fighters Pass 1, Italicized is Fighters Pass 2, Underlined is Ballot

1. Piranha Plant (he's perfect as is)
2. Joker (one of my boys came home)
3. Erdrick (Incentive for the Japanese)
4. Banjo (throw the core fans a bone)
5. Leon Kennedy (New genre, RE is a huge franchise as argued by Scoliosis Jones )
6. Lloyd Irving (Dual. Wielding. Swords. Also it's high time Namco gets another rep)
7. Astral Chain Twins (They look cool. I like them)
8. Kat (Because why not?)
9. Terry Bogard (Let's get SNK in this)
10. 2B (Sakurai really liked Nier: Automata)
11. Rex & Pyra (It's high time they came home)
12. Sora (It'd be perfect if he was revealed last since both of my boys would be coming home

One could say that a Season 2 DLC pack would be better suited to things like Assist Upgrades and Hardcore fan picks (also characters like Rex & Pyra).

Here's my logic.

By the time Season 2 of DLC is released, especially in a fighting game, most of the casual audience has dropped the game to move on to other games, anyone left are hardcore fans who are likely going to be sticking around for the long haul. You can use the DLC as incentive to try to bring back the casual fans (a risky venture), or you can reward the hardcore fans for sticking around so long (while also potentially bringing back casual fans if the choice happen to also appeal to them).

 

[Deleted member]

Here’s a reaction image I made from yours truly

Spoiler

 

[Deleted member]

Is not selfish but a matter of preference.

My issue with this view is something that I see with many fans, because are you saying actually that franchises like CV, FF, DQ, SF, Contra, Megaman, and so on don't have history with Nintendo? And I would argue that many of them are even more important than many of the og Nintendo franchises.

Plus another thing. I never understood this notion of keeping everything Nintendo as the NES, SNES, and og GB were full of 3rd parties and were crucial for the systems successes.

Nah, I understand that those were big games for their respective Consoles and they do have history with Nintendo.

I just prefer Nintendo Characters over most of the likely 3rd Party Characters that people are talking about.

 

[Teeb147]

So, what ever happened to the hunger game from earlier?

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

ok I retract my shoutout what the hell is this monstrosity of an opinion

Smash Run was something you grinded through to unlock the special moves and then quit. It also lacked online so you couldn't really play with friends.

Smash Tour? It's Smash Bros. Mario Party. My best friend and I used to always play Smash Tour and pretty much always had a great time. A refined, better Smash Tour would be so much better than a reshill of Smash Run.

I don't see why we couldn't have both though.

 

[Lenidem]

Alright here we go.
1. I really don’t feel this argument holds up. It’s a crossover. The entire point is clashing series and aesthetics. We just got anime boy Joker when Jack Frost fits a cartoony style far better.
2. Jack Frost is Atlus’ mascot too. Plus in recent years I’d argue the assassins have become more emblematic of Ubisoft than Rayman, if only due to the series’ overwhelming popularity,
3. I think this hurts Rayman more than anything. He’s been a trophy for two games now, they went to Ubisoft to get the right just to put him as a trophy. It makes me question how strongly the smash team actually considers Rayman as a fighter.
4. Again, we just got Joker, a character who had very little fan support (shoutouts to DaybreakHorizon though). Rayman has more fan support, yes, but fan support can only get you so far. Think of it this way, Nintendo seems to be trying to appeal to mor rout there demographics with the DLC. Assasin’s Creed is one of the biggest global multimedia videogame series ever, with a ton of fans who might not necessarily be interested in Smash. By adding Ezio, you are tapping into that huge market.

I would prefer Rayman, if only because he looks more like a Nintendo character. But I think you're right.

It's the same difference. Nintendo already has buy in from the "Nintendo Bubble" since Smash Bros. is a Nintendo game.

Dixie is more of a base game pick rather than a DLC pick.

Unfortunately, I think you're right.

 

[Deleted member]

So, what ever happened to the hunger game from earlier?

Katniss ruined it for everybody by rebelling.

 

[Will]

>walk in thread
>it's another one of those "X is better because it fits Smash better!!!" comments

What the **** do any of us know what's supposed to fit Smash? None of us are named Masahiro Sakurai and born in the 70s.

 

[Teeb147]

Katniss ruined it for everybody by rebelling.

Um. Did the game even happen?

 

[KingofPhantoms]

@TotsBS TheCJBrine KarneraMythos Opossum KMDP @Onereasonanddone Pyra Teeb147 Guh-Huzzah! @Taylor F Alternis UtopianPoyzin

Are you all ready for this?!

Spoiler

District 1
Scott the Woz
John Vitale
Chef Dougher
TotsBS


District 2
Minecraft Creeper
Gengar
7 Grand Dad
Bob the Garo


District 3
Shrek's Cringe Compilation
Dwayne Johnson
Sakurai Dub Voice
2010 Memes


District 4
Lena
Julian
Mae
Boey


District 5
Iridium
Monkey D. Luffy
KMDP
Agumon


District 6
Napoleon Bonaparte
James Bond
Sigma
A Mirror


District 7
Toasterbrains Pyra
Mythra
Morag
Nia


District 8
Teeb147
Shantae
Kirby
Snorlax


District 9
NateVO
Spider-ham
King K. Rool
Sans


District 10
Purple Pikmin
Lubba
Tatsu
Escargoon


District 11
Taylor F.
Breadbear
Default Dancing Sans
Robbie Rotten


District 12
UtopianPoyzin
Mr. Compress
Bandana Dee
The Fields of Machu Picch

Because round two of the Grand Finale begins now!

 

[Noipoi]

One could say that a Season 2 DLC pack would be better suited to things like Assist Upgrades and Hardcore fan picks (also characters like Rex & Pyra).

Here's my logic.

By the time Season 2 of DLC is released, especially in a fighting game, most of the casual audience has dropped the game to move on to other games, anyone left are hardcore fans who are likely going to be sticking around for the long haul. You can use the DLC as incentive to try to bring back the casual fans (a risky venture), or you can reward the hardcore fans for sticking around so long (while also potentially bringing back casual fans if the choice happen to also appeal to them).

Don’t you dare taunt me with assist upgrades.

 

[Kingslime304]

Considering what the current roster is, what exactly DOESNT fit Smash?

 

[Teeb147]

@Bolderousness lol nevermind. did i just arrive right in time or what?

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

WOOT! You called me away from my Ricochet duties to bathe in the light of HG

 

[Deleted member]

Um. Did the game even happen?

No.

@TotsBS TheCJBrine KarneraMythos Opossum KMDP @Onereasonanddone Pyra Teeb147 Guh-Huzzah! @Taylor F Alternis UtopianPoyzin

Are you all ready for this?!

Spoiler

District 1
Scott the Woz
John Vitale
Chef Dougher
TotsBS


District 2
Minecraft Creeper
Gengar
7 Grand Dad
Bob the Garo


District 3
Shrek's Cringe Compilation
Dwayne Johnson
Sakurai Dub Voice
2010 Memes


District 4
Lena
Julian
Mae
Boey


District 5
Iridium
Monkey D. Luffy
KMDP
Agumon


District 6
Napoleon Bonaparte
James Bond
Sigma
A Mirror


District 7
Toasterbrains Pyra
Mythra
Morag
Nia


District 8
Teeb147
Shantae
Kirby
Snorlax


District 9
NateVO
Spider-ham
King K. Rool
Sans


District 10
Purple Pikmin
Lubba
Tatsu
Escargoon


District 11
Taylor F.
Breadbear
Default Dancing Sans
Robbie Rotten


District 12
UtopianPoyzin
Mr. Compress
Bandana Dee
The Fields of Machu Picch

Because round two of the Grand Finale begins now!

Now it is.

 

[Deleted member]

Smash Run was something you grinded through to unlock the special moves and then quit. It also lacked online so you couldn't really play with friends.

Smash Tour? It's Smash Bros. Mario Party. My best friend and I used to always play Smash Tour and pretty much always had a great time. A refined, better Smash Tour would be so much better than a reshill of Smash Run.

I don't see why we couldn't have both though.

You’re I think the first person I’ve ever seen say they derived any enjoyment from smash tour. You do you, but for me I loved how replayable Smash Run was. I found it to fun traverse the map and fight enemies that actually came from the series’ and weren’t ocs. A refined Smash Run with online and the ability to interact with other players would be great imo.