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[Deleted member]

Holy **** the vs matchup is so volatile

Either Pichu dies in 3 hits or Ganon doesn't get to play the game

The vs matchup is rough for Incineroar. :/

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Not sure if it needs to be said for like, the twentieth time, but “We can’t trust Verge” isn’t really the point.

As with most leakers, they aren’t the primary source of information. Verg isn’t the one directly getting the information. He’s the secondary. He is also a secondary that frequently shares his information, at least in comparison to other leakers.

I’ve gotten legitimate information a few times before, but it was like 3rd or fourth hand. Verg is not the only one getting this information, he is simply the person willing to openly say, “Hi, I have information”.

It’s the sources, not Verge, who have credibility issues. For example, Minecraft Steve, who everyone seems to love talking about, was not from the primary source. That source was also the one to say there was a boss. I have it on good authority to not believe any of it and to disregard it, which is probably what Verg is feeling right about.

Basically, questioning Vergebens credibility isn’t really the issue when he isn’t directly involved in seeing the content himself. He would usually get his information from playtesters or people have other connections. It should be highly questionable that his not-so-credible source said Steve was in, and made Verge and Hitagi the only two to hear about it, while other insiders knew nothing of it. Steve and an Ender Dragon Boss would have likely needed to be in a playable state in order to firmly see or know about.

Mind you, a Square character being in is not exclusive to Verge, but a number of sources for various insiders. He isn’t the only one to say, “Yeah, I heard about that”.

Not to tell any of you to not talk about leaks like know it alls, but you’re not looking at it in the proper context. Then there’s the fact that some people latch to leaks they want to be real, and therefore give them unwarranted credibility.

I haven’t seen the latest, but i’m looking into it now.

Honestly, I expect a Dragon Quest character simply based on the DQXI presentation they had in the Direct. They hyped that game up. Either Erdrick or the Luminary will be in Smash, I can feel it.

 

[Will]

i deadass havent played smash in about 2 weeks

i want to but im feelin lazy

 

[Iridium]

Holy **** the vs matchup is so volatile

Either Pichu dies in 3 hits or Ganon doesn't get to play the game

Does Pichu suck when playing Stamina?

 

[Deleted member]

is top tier in Stamina.

 

[staindgrey]

Well, it's not just ports.

The GBC, GBA, PS2 and XB360 (I think) are all straight-up backward compatible with the old games.

If you have a PS2, there is literally no reason to have a PS1 unless you're a collector or you want the original experience (the PS2 increases load times of PS1 games on the whole, making for a better experience).

Same with the GBC and later the GBA.

I get what you're saying. It's just not what I'm saying. (And the Wii, Wii U and 3DS all did the same thing.)

Backwards compatibility is a feature that helps you gravitate from one console to the next one, since you already possibly own a library of games that still work on the new console. Technically those are still sales of the old games that still have value. What I'm saying is that the Switch, despite not being backwards compatible, has ported Bayonetta 1 & 2, NSMBU/NSLU, MK8, DKC:TR, Hyrule Warriors, Pokken Tournament, and Captain Toad as full-purchase new games within just the first two years, and that's not even counting third parties that did the same thing or the large amount of download-only games that are virtually identical on Wii U and Switch, but need to be purchased again to play it.

Visually, the Wii U and Switch are pretty much identical. This isn't some huge console upgrade that demands "remasters" and HD upgrades. They're just reheating their leftovers and selling them at full price and it's working really really well. Any new Switch owner has virtually zero reason to purchase the older console despite no backwards compatibility. The prices for what were Wii U classics plummeted because why the hell would you get it on Wii U if you can get it on Switch? This is, to my mind, totally unprecedented. PS4 did a few hasty remasters of PS3 games early on, but not to this degree.

 

[Deleted member]

The Wii U, in my opinion, was a bad console that had good games. It gave me Splatoon though, so while it is probably one of my least favorite pieces of Nintendo hardware, it did give me something truly inkredible.

 

[Will]

Honestly, I expect a Dragon Quest character simply based on the DQXI presentation they had in the Direct.

So you're saying Three Houses and Astral Chain too?

/s

 

[PsySmasher]

Does Pichu suck when playing Stamina?

Depends on how well you can handle its self-damaging attacks.

 

[Deleted member]

The Wii U, in my opinion, was a bad console that had good games. It gave me Splatoon though, so while it is probably one of my least favorite pieces of Nintendo hardware, it did give me something truly inkredible.

Exactly how I feel. The Wii U was distant compared to the PS4 and even the Xbox One. The Wii U did have great games at the time though.
Also wasn't PC very popular around the Wii U's times?

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

So you're saying Three Houses and Astral Chain too?

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No. Dragon Quest is entirely 3rd party, while the two you mentioned have plenty of hype around them as First Party/Platinum games hype title. It’s entirely different.

Dragon Quest was presented as like, “One of the greatest RPG series of all time is coming to Nintendo Switch”.

 

[Just a penguin]

is top tier in Stamina.

Robin is top tier in casual smash, because he/she can nosferatu assist trophies, gaining a free 15 percent damage back.

 

[Will]

No. Dragon Quest is entirely 3rd party, while the two you mentioned have plenty of hype around them as First Party/Platinum games hype title. It’s entirely different.

Dragon Quest was presented as like, “One do the greatest RPG series of all time is coming to Nintendo Switch”.

dude theres an /s at the end, spare me

 

[Alternis]

Has anyone seen the rumor about Nintendo planning to revive a currently dead franchise? Is it worth discussing?

I should mention that it was first claimed by Imran Khan at Game Informer, and I'm asking because I know nothing of his credibility.

 

[staindgrey]

I remember watching a video about the Wii U's terrible marketing. The guy pointed out that everyone thought the Wii U was just a tablet add-on to the Wii, which is why barely anybody bothered.

Yep. That's what they thought it was when I bought it. And it was the brand new console that year. Crazy.

I remember I had to tell my coworkers-- on multiple occasions-- that the Wii U was a thing. Meanwhile when the Switch came out and you couldn't find it anywhere they were asking me about how to get one. They all wanted to play BOTW but lamented that they couldn't get a Switch and I told them the game also came out on Wii U and they didn't believe me.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

Did Verge even 100% say the VGA awards would be Erdrick?

No. He said with certainty though, that the first DLC character revealed would be the SE rep. Which may I remind the court, he originally said was going to be base content along with that Minecraft stuff before changing it to DLC.

Also, whether or not he's talked about is pretty meaningless to whether or not he's in. Speculation doesn't affect who's chosen, especially when DLC was most likely 100% locked down by December. DQ is a national phenomenon in Japan, if another SE character is coming, DQ most likely has top billing, especially with its heavy presence on Switch this year.

Again, I repeat. The main point is that the only reason speculation has revolved around Erdrick this significantly, all started thanks to Vergeben. If he hadn't suggested him in the first place after his streak with base Smash content, the first ever streak of right info he's gotten, there wouldn't be so many people so dead certain that it's Erdrick of all people to the point where they almost always shut down speculation circles. No other reputable source has really been saying anything and no reputable insider has said anything supporting Erdrick or Minecraft. In fact some have stuff against some of that stuff.

You're kidding yourself if you think that likely or not, DQ would've been this highly touted as likely by Smash speculators as it is now if it didn't start from Verge.

 

[PsySmasher]

The most annoying character I've had to deal with is . ****** gets on my last nerves.

Oof... then you'd probably hate going up against my ...

But I get where you're coming from. A really good can be really hard to deal with. I've had a couple run-ins w/ some near Elite level Wolf players, and they gave some of the most intense matches I've ever had on Quickplay.

 

[---]

I only bought a Wii U for 4 reasons: Smash, Hyrule Warriors, Bayonetta 2, and Xenoblade Chroincles X.

I feel sorry for those that bought a Wii U to be honest. It pretty much is a dead console now that the Switch is out, I'd argue it was dead long before then, but whatever.

Funny thing is that it might become a popular collector's item in the future. Besides being a Nintendo console, it has a reasonably sized library that could be obtained, let's you play Wii/VC games on an HD system without mods, and once gamepads start breaking down it certainly won't be easy to replace them. That said, we're still along ways away from that type of niche market emerging.

In terms of games I think it stands above the N64 (or at the very least was more diverse) but was doomed to a niche audience from the get go like the Saturn/Dreamcast.

 

[staindgrey]

Has anyone seen the rumor about Nintendo planning to revive a currently dead franchise? Is it worth discussing?

I mean, I assume that sort of plan is always in the works but rarely comes to fruition.

Like how there have been rumors on two different occasions that Capcom planned on reviving Dino Crisis, and while they turned out to be true, both projects got cancelled very, very early on.

 

[TheMightyP]

If you guys want to talk about bad matchups, vs anyone. Squirtle and Ivysaur can hold their own, Squirt against Swordies, Ivy against Brawlers, but if you ever switch to Charizard, pray that you are able to switch to Squirtle as fast as you can, otherwise you get comboed into a percent where you can't use Squirtle unless you want to die in one hit, and you can't go to Ivy because it's too slow, so you hope you get a good read with Flare Blitz, grab, or a smash attack, otherwise, just fortfeit the stock.

 

[Graizen]

Says who?

The supporters of the characters, listed?

The 3 comment i think, has the link for this "json file".

The guys were investigating it.

 

[staindgrey]

Funny thing is that it might become a popular collector's item in the future. Besides being a Nintendo console, it has a reasonably sized library that could be obtained, let's you play Wii/VC games on an HD system without mods, and once gamepads start breaking down it certainly won't be easy to replace them. That said, we're still along ways away from that type of niche market emerging.

In terms of games I think it stands above the N64 (or at the very least was more diverse) but was doomed to a niche audience from the get go like the Saturn/Dreamcast.

And it sucks being in that niche audience for the Saturn/Dreamcast. Those games are ****ing expensive.

I have spent a lot of money on my Saturn collection.

 

[KMDP]

Funny thing is that it might become a popular collector's item in the future. Besides being a Nintendo console, it has a reasonably sized library that could be obtained, let's you play Wii/VC games on an HD system without mods, and once gamepads start breaking down it certainly won't be easy to replace them. That said, we're still along ways away from that type of niche market emerging.

In terms of games I think it stands above the N64 (or at the very least was more diverse) but was doomed to a niche audience from the get go like the Saturn/Dreamcast.

The Wii U, the modern day Sega Saturn/Dreamcast.

Oh, god, imagine if the Switch was a commercial bomb!

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Has anyone seen the rumor about Nintendo planning to revive a currently dead franchise? Is it worth discussing?

I should mention that it was first claimed by Imran Khan at Game Informer, and I'm asking because I know nothing of his credibility.

I keep hearing it but idk where it came from originally

but I sure as heck HOPE it's F-Zero, it's 15 years overdue and even if it's just like GX HD I'd be content. That was the first thing I thought of, second being Golden Sun but the outcry for F-Zero's return has been greater I feel

 

[TheMightyP]

The Wii U would be more of a Sega Saturn, not a Dreamcast, in the long run.

 

[Graizen]

Here, a guy made a pastabin with the JSON code : https://pastebin.com/ww0rPThm

 

[staindgrey]

The Wii U, the modern day Sega Saturn/Dreamcast.

Oh, god, imagine if the Switch was a commercial bomb!

Nintendo would've gone the way of Sega and gotten out of the hardware business. Or at the very least restricted themselves to classic consoles and handhelds by making a 4DS or whatever.

 

[Alternis]

I mean, I assume that sort of plan is always in the works but rarely comes to fruition.

Like how there have been rumors on two different occasions that Capcom planned on reviving Dino Crisis, and while they turned out to be true, both projects got cancelled very, very early on.

I edited my post to try and clarify, but I mention all this, because who knows? Maybe this alleged game revival will be one of the mysterious games Nintendo has hinted at for this year? The possibility certainly intrigued me.

 

[staindgrey]

The Wii U would be more of a Sega Saturn, not a Dreamcast, in the long run.

How so?

As a diehard Sega fan with large libraries for both consoles, I'm curious why you think that.

 

[Curious Villager]

I'm mainly using my Wii U for the web browser these days whenever I'm not at the PC but need to check something real quick or watch a live video like Nintendo Directs.
Not really looking forward to the day Nintendo shuts that down...

 

[CroonerMike]

Here, a guy made a pastabin with the JSON code : https://pastebin.com/ww0rPThm

Anyone can make this.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I'm mainly using my Wii U for the web browser these days whenever I'm not at the PC but need to check something real quick.
Not really looking forward to the day Nintendo shuts that down...

if they do, my Smash 4 music mods will be useless too...i hope by the time they do I can do Ultimate music mods, there's some tracks that probably won't be in by normal means

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Again, I repeat. The main point is that the only reason speculation has revolved around Erdrick this significantly, all started thanks to Vergeben. If he hadn't suggested him in the first place after his streak with base Smash content, the first ever streak of right info he's gotten, there wouldn't be so many people so dead certain that it's Erdrick of all people to the point where they almost always shut down speculation circles. No other reputable source has really been saying anything and no reputable insider has said anything supporting Erdrick or Minecraft. In fact some have stuff against some of that stuff.

You're kidding yourself if you think that likely or not, DQ would've been this highly touted as likely by Smash speculators as it is now if it didn't start from Verge.

To be fair, it would still be kinda dumb to ignore the thought of a Dragon Quest character, regardless, as it's basically an icon in Japanese gaming, and one of the landmark gaming franchises...

 

[Deleted member]

Robin is top tier in casual smash, because he/she can nosferatu assist trophies, gaining a free 15 percent damage back.

That is not significant enough to make Robin a top tier in casual play though.

 

[staindgrey]

I'm mainly using my Wii U for the web browser these days whenever I'm not at the PC but need to check something real quick or watch a live video like Nintendo Directs.
Not really looking forward to the day Nintendo shuts that down...

I use mine for a TV remote.

I have it hooked up in my bedroom to an old PS3 3D monitor, the one that only has one remote that's ever been programmed to work with it and they cost like $40. But the Wii U's TV remote function works with it. So I keep the gamepad charge station by my bed and frequently use the gamepad to change the input or raise/lower the volume.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

The image is not the point, he posted a link for the json file in the thread as well.
And some guys are investigating it.

And aparently this thing is real.

Graizen, buddy.

You gotta stop coming here and posting every fake Agumon leak you see.

I get that you want us to discuss stuff like this, and it's exciting for you personally because it has Agumon in it and it could be real.

But it isn't, and discussing it even briefly is a waste of our time.

 

[Pyra]

i interrupt your discourse to present the following:

i think i'm non binary

more news at 11

 

[staindgrey]

i interrupt your discourse to present the following:

i think i'm non binary

more news at 11

Okay you think or you know.

 

[Just a penguin]

That is not significant enough to make Robin a top tier in casual play though.

When it's not a 1 v 1, then easily regaining health while others fight really helps.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

i interrupt your discourse to present the following:

There is discourse happening?
I cant find it, I think It ran away