UK player thoughts on how to improve your game; for the UK :)

[Bullet Bill]

yeaaaa Zeppo although about my commentary, I've been told I've been too factual before and now I'm not factual enough

I agree with the whole pedestal thing. I also agree with the whole negativity thing, it's hard for us to improve when instead of praise and constructive critticism, we're just telling each other that were ****

 

[Fuzzyness]

my falcon is my most enjoyable and serious char when my game is really on, aside my trained falco and shiek but my falcon seemed to do a LOT better against top european players

the only thing i need to learn is the fox/falco matchup tactics

 

[Professor Pro]

I know if you get me in the grand finals Charles and I start ****** your falcon you are gonna change to another character despite you telling me that you're not gonna but I know you will lol.

If you enjoy him the best that's good and all and if you wanna put him in situations where you know he will be forced to win then I guess that will be good training for it so if you do stay falcon then I hope it gets good quick and hopefully I can assist you on the road of improving it.

 

[Retroking2000]

i wanna see how you do aboard ^

 

[J03]

nice to see the occasional useful post in the last few posts >_>.

I'd like to thank P.Pro for mentioning the Uk's no:1 problem. Not using and utilising spacing has kept me out of the top 5 for years. theres a difference between acknowledging spacing and utilising. there are ways or limiting or negating bad spacing (foxes shine for example) but nothing beats spacing properly (except perhaps consistent hounding and sheild pressure). Learning spacing is something that comes naturally to a degree but actually sitting down and watching other peoples games and analysing your own is the best way to see.

For me spacing is most useful on the approach side of melee. I used to approach the approach game (lol) more like chess. as in opponent will most likely do , A, therefore i have enough time to do B before he can do C. which is why ive done ok for myself... because most people are surpreisingly unintelligent. but say i wish to approach Marth, whose dawdling about the place egging me into his range. BE AWARE OF HIS RANGE, simples. i cant really be bothered to go into fine detail, spacing is not a qusetion but a lesson learned in time (thank you greenday).

Lastly i mentioned hounding, which is not giving your oppoenent the time to think, regroup or space properly. its staying at an arms length and punishing any lag they have when they attempt to hit you (of course if youve read above and looked into it, your spacing means there attack will be about 2mm from your nose, and you can do whatever you like.

Spacing makes a good player, such as Edwin.
Hounding makes a good player, such as KDJ

but them both together and you have a great player. (add flashy tech skill for garnishing)

ALSO: this thread is a gold mine, we just need to siv out the **** (most of Bens post and the bickering)

PS: id be happy to commentate again.
PPS: Z you suck for not coming to Eds thing =P

 

[Professor Pro]

Nice post J03 and I agree with everything in it.

 

[VA]

What made you choose falcon Charles? Personally i can see where you're coming from i thought similarly after birmingham, i figured trying to remember 4 or 5 characters match ups and everything about them is alot to have in your head, especially if your trying to concentrate on winning. But i felt after shs1 that only playing luigi had made my game somewhat stagnant, and it also reduces your options and advantages when it comes to counter picking. Hope any of that helps mate.

Also i agree the scene up here needs more effort, i'm going to start ranbats again as of next month. But to be fair i've been hosting in one way or another for like 3 years, but recently i've been unable. The unfortunate thing is in my abscense no one has either been able to or been bothered to keep things running. I'm not pointing the finger or putting blame anywhere, i guess it's kinda johns for not winning my SHS1

Maining Luigi does not mean play only luigi. I'm guessing you don't use him in friendlies only but I assume that you use mostly luigi in friendlies? I've always played every character, just not in tournament. I use every top tier to a decent standard but you don't often see me busting out more than 2 characters in tournament.

I think Charles just needs more certainty (aka consistency) in his game. Instead of switching and blaming a character for the loss if you stick with one it's easier to pin point errors and improve on them.

Swizzy is getting horribley good, it's ****ing disgusting. I still **** him of course but...oh my god...I find myself saying, how can ganon do that? every single time I play him. Eurgh I hate ganon. I don't know how he improves but I think maybe it has something to do with the range of characters I play. when we have a smash session he'll play against falco fox marth sheik peach falcon samus and then some low tiers. I practice against...ganon. It's not fair but I think it's helping him a lot.

 

[FrostByte]

my falcon is my most enjoyable and serious char when my game is really on, aside my trained falco and shiek but my falcon seemed to do a LOT better against top european players

the only thing i need to learn is the fox/falco matchup tactics

I think most European Players would have a problem with your pressure game, seen as they seem to play a slower approach game, just watching and waiting around for an opening. I think your falcon is the best character against people with that style of play because of his speed and unpredictability.

Your sheik is the same way, though that's mainly against characters who don't have fast "gtfo" attacks out of shield like a shine or high priority aerial.

I know if you get me in the grand finals Charles and I start ****** your falcon you are gonna change to another character despite you telling me that you're not gonna but I know you will lol.

Seconded. If you keep losing against a character, try to find out how to counter what ever the hell they're doing to you. Why do you think I always go Falcon against your Falco? There's a risk of getting ***** but I'm willing to take that chance just to find out wtf to do.

Delivering your own attack isn't always the way to counter something, sometimes you have to step back or stay in shield because trying to attack will only get you hurt (you do this with faclon's nair).

 

[Fuzzyness]

i know terrance, want to come round on sunday? prof is coming methinks

 

[FrostByte]

Not sure at the moment. Why sunday?

 

[Fuzzyness]

cause prof isnt back till sunday apparently

 

[Gantz ak-47]

its think its great that you have decided to main falcon, and its also inspiring to up and comming player to see the best in the u.k doesnt have to be top tier. BUT what happens if prof does a Darkrain vs cacutar on you?

 

[Fuzzyness]

we'll see

 

[Professor Pro]

Not sure at the moment. Why sunday?

I am not even in London this saturday as I am going somewhere to do a big performance out of London and i'm not even 100% what day I am coming back, whether it's on saturday or it's sunday morning.

its think its great that you have decided to main falcon, and its also inspiring to up and comming player to see the best in the u.k doesnt have to be top tier. BUT what happens if prof does a Darkrain vs cacutar on you?

lool Maybe it will be like that match .

 

[Bullet Bill]

hmmmm. Maybe two characters Charles? I know that'd still be switching but it'll be better than switching through about 4 or 5 characters. Or you could have a main and a secondary?

 

[VA]

imo sheik falco for charles safe bet for counterpicks and such

 

[Kone]

THIS IS JOE NOT ED =)

Charles im really happy youve decided to settle on one character and im really happy youve chosen Falcon as everyone loves him and hes so much fun to play.

that said hes not the safest character and perhaps VA's advice would help.

i personally see you as too agressive for marth. your falco is really good and id honestly advise using him as a secondary character if not maining him completely. Sheik is alright your sheik doesnt impress me =/.

imo you also need to throw strategy out of the window and settle for someone you really enjoy playing. i wouldnt main fox if i didnt absolutely love him to pieces =P.

lots of luck choosing and i hope weve helped =)

 

[Professor Pro]

imo sheik falco for charles safe bet for counterpicks and such

I wouldn't say his sheik is a safest option tbh.
When I face him I feel more in control of that matchup but he wants to stay Falcon even though I don't think he will stay Falcon when it comes down to it.

THIS IS JOE NOT ED =)

Charles im really happy youve decided to settle on one character and im really happy youve chosen Falcon as everyone loves him and hes so much fun to play.

that said hes not the safest character and perhaps VA's advice would help.

i personally see you as too agressive for marth. your falco is really good and id honestly advise using him as a secondary character if not maining him completely. Sheik is alright your sheik doesnt impress me =/.

imo you also need to throw strategy out of the window and settle for someone you really enjoy playing. i wouldnt main fox if i didnt absolutely love him to pieces =P.

lots of luck choosing and i hope weve helped =)

I agree with this.
I play fox cos he is fun and began to get bored of playing peach and the fact that fox ***** just made it more fun lol.
But this is the first time I have heard Charles saying he is gonna settle down to one character, he says it sometimes but he says it in a more contemplating way but he seems more serious this time but we know what Charles can be like lol sooo......

 

[Jolteon]

Charles, thank god you finally realised that you should stick to one char. Actually me and ed were talking about it a few days ago and I found it ironic to see you mentioned it soon after.

Like Robby said I'd think Sheik/Falco is your best bet, but the way you play Falcon doesn't make him a bad choice either.

 

[Professor Pro]

Charles, thank god you finally realised that you should stick to one char. Actually me and ed were talking about it a few days ago and I found it ironic to see you mentioned it soon after.

Like Robby said I'd think Sheik/Falco is your best bet, but the way you play Falcon doesn't make him a bad choice either.

I know you said something about me and how I have a high sex appeal for a short guy and how my fox is amazing.

 

[Jolteon]

I know you said something about me and how I have a high sex appeal for a short guy and how my fox is amazing.

We were talking about how you would do abroad in comparison to Charles. I think it's possible that you would do better since you stick with one char that you're really consistent with.

Sex appeal was mentioned too.

 

[J03]

not on topic guys, not to be a knob but im gonna start reporting for this as this thread can be of great use to knewer players and a help to all of us, diluting the useful information with posts like -whats happening on sunday will not be tolerated >_>

 

[Jolteon]

joe why not just repost with all the useful posts and get a mod to lock it?

 

[Retroking2000]

Question

also anyone got some tips on consistency ?

i know there is always a alternative to tatics in smash

but say if you desperate to fully remember one specific that will boost odds

but you forget lets say weeks after ~ i remember frostbyte always saying when i came over back in 2007 i wanna play like i used to i didnt get what he meant loool then he started to **** chris in a whole new way later he almost forgot what he did sometimes i had to remind him

i think thats happening with me


anyone got some good advice on how to stay solid ~ change is not always good i have gotten worse in some areas

its really diffcult since sets make you exhausted one match is like over 2mins at least

i would find myself doing amazing all sorts then slam !! it goes

so really , my question is does anyone have this problem or is it just me myself I

i know your mind adapts to something else each moment so its hard to dwell on tatics

since you find new stuff

but how do you guys deal with all this

do you just not think about it like me or have you become solid not so much in the sense of execution but like mentally

?

brother in need lol

 

[J03]

how to stay solid is simply solo practise.

how to stay mentally aware is to play often.

if youve forgotten certain tactics then have a look at some of the recent vids online, they are great for inspiration. but sadly a forgotten tactics stays as suh unless another smasher reminds you =/.

 

[Fuzzyness]

find a style and some combos that suit you, stick to it

don't worry so much about dropping some old stuff, if there's anything important you're not doing you'll prob start doing it again when you really need to

 

[Bullet Bill]

not sure myself cos I'm already v inconsistant, but I'd say just stick to the stuff thats suiting you well like charles said. Nothing wrong with sticking with the ol tried and tested

 

[Professor Pro]

Since I have been playing Gantz fox lately with various characters I find myself trying to smash DI the Up Air from an up throw but always failing.

By smash DI I mean the one when you smash DI the first hit of the Uair so you don't get hit by the second one, not just DI'ing it lol.

I remember VA given a good post on how to do this.
Can anyone give any advice on the timing and the direction to Smash DI in and with the controller stick or C-Stick and controller at the same time and all that kinda stuff.

 

[Retroking2000]

when you see fox curl up during his Uair just smack

regular DI helps aswell

since it alters the path of the throw he might not even get a hit of it ,

but thats how i do it

just pay attention to fox

from getting upaired loads by you guys i had to force myself to do it

Question

does anyone notice z is its stupidly faster/better than the cancelliing with triggers

 

[Gantz ak-47]

has any one got any tips for the marth matchup.

 

[Pickled_No0b]

with regards to getting the smash DI on the uair, have you guys seen the winners finals of TSL between amsah and poilon, because amsah was getting it so consistantly, it basically took away one of foxes main killing moves

 

[J03]

edwin, i use the Z-button and its win. just coz you dont have to press this gigantic button about the place

 

[J03]

excuse me, does this thread say 'post you ****ing stupid brawl combo vids here'?

no coz we have threads for that elsewhere, that said i quite enjoyed it, not a brawl fan but you made it well adn it was fun to watch... play melee

 

[Retroking2000]

mm

with regards to getting the smash DI on the uair, have you guys seen the winners finals of TSL between amsah and poilon, because amsah was getting it so consistantly, it basically took away one of foxes main killing moves

foxes shouldnt relie on upair shine is the way to go ppl dont know how to play fox lol nowdays

has any one got any tips for the marth matchup.

1. since marth is slower he attacks in patterns marths go for the basic space then grab combo
2. lasering will destoy that rythm
3. accept that you have little range
4. wait for the sword swinging marth is hella slow since his hitboxes are big his animations takelong!
5. marths will always attempt a gimp make sure your comfortable off stage
6. what can people do when they are knocked down - cover the lag will shines
7. watch marths jumpinh since fox is stupidly fast only way of escape is jumping with him
8. be alert on whether he uses it or not
9. to add mometum back into your favour try to floor marth by shining/down throwing
10. the middle of the stage is where you wanna be thats your safe point

 

[VA]

Since I have been playing Gantz fox lately with various characters I find myself trying to smash DI the Up Air from an up throw but always failing.

By smash DI I mean the one when you smash DI the first hit of the Uair so you don't get hit by the second one, not just DI'ing it lol.

I remember VA given a good post on how to do this.
Can anyone give any advice on the timing and the direction to Smash DI in and with the controller stick or C-Stick and controller at the same time and all that kinda stuff.

Hi babes, yeah I linked a thread made by kirbykaze explaining how to DI out of uthrow > uair. It's pretty important to be able to do this and not actually rely on it too much, high level play you can't really get away with using it on Peach/Ganon and decent marths DI out of it most times.

Basically I think it goes like this, DI over his head, then during the first hit you smash DI back the other way and this should get you out of the second hit (the damaging one with big knockback).

Don't listen to edwin his post doesn't make much sense. But you cannot smash DI a grab so you just DI as left or right was what he was trying to say I think...

read this yah yah http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=233453

read this also yah but I think it repeats what I said http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=217426

 

[Fuzzyness]

I really like this thread, and good stuff to prof and VA for factual help for people who are learning how to handle stuff =)

If anyone wants advice it's best to ask me in person, I'm better at picking out people's good + bad points and how they can improve their game

 

[Bullet Bill]

Hi babes, yeah I linked a thread made by kirbykaze explaining how to DI out of uthrow > uair. It's pretty important to be able to do this and not actually rely on it too much, high level play you can't really get away with using it on Peach/Ganon and decent marths DI out of it most times.

Basically I think it goes like this, DI over his head, then during the first hit you smash DI back the other way and this should get you out of the second hit (the damaging one with big knockback).

Don't listen to edwin his post doesn't make much sense. But you cannot smash DI a grab so you just DI as left or right was what he was trying to say I think...

read this yah yah http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=233453

read this also yah but I think it repeats what I said http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=217426

Good but lets not start flaming and petty stuff like that. What Edwin said seemed pretty good advice. This thread is about helping people remember- not a contest on who knows the most about smash --> SAAAAAAAAD

 

[VA]

No it's not a contest because I know I do hehehehe.

 

[VA]

P.S I'm watching london marths...spam less random fsmash! also roll from wavelanding onto the edge, it's good!

 

[J03]

P.S I'm watching london marths...spam less random fsmash! also roll from wavelanding onto the edge, it's good!

i couldnt agree more, the amount of useless f-smash is terrible, also it seems to be some peoples basic punishing move, need i remind you that a smash is a kill move, not a combo move