UK player thoughts on how to improve your game; for the UK :)

[Kone]

It is all relative aaron. The level of skill is higher now than it was in the past but that is obvious. However, that does not mean that the actual level of competition is higher. Also, there have been times when other players have made a significant impact as quick as yourself, zeppo is a prime example. His first tournament he made 7th i believe (if not higher) and put me out

I believe post sct4 period for a year was one of the most competitive times to date.


Also - scott in that tournament proved himself top in the uk, he was beaten by two dutch players...rune and mrsilver (top europeans at the time)

 

[Professor Pro]

My first tournament I placed 5th and I already know it's all relative but taking that away and looking at what the skill level has got to I still currently have made the fastest improvement with relativity or not.

 

[Kone]

No u dont and your first tournament was ****ing terrible mate, no one was there. You dont know have a grasp on what became before you and your wrong. Sorry man, others have done it as fast if not faster :/

 

[Professor Pro]

loool Like who exactly???????????

 

[Fuzzyness]

edster was a huge leap on me, i didnt expect to win myself after getting bad placings such as 7th in the past

 

[grayfox]

Yeah I'd say Charles had the fastest rise.

 

[Fuzzyness]

it went from winning teams with zeppo against the doug and darvor to winning edster, i think its a big leap imo. Back then I still thought everyone was better than me

 

[Kone]

Yeah i agree with ryan and what charles was hinting at . I highlighted that I thought post-sct4 was the most competitive era as there were alot of players on similar skills levels that couldve taken doug's crown. Charles did it, at the time, unexpectantly then has very very firmly cemented his no.1 position (at the time it still wasnt expected that he would start stringing tournmanet wins together as he did).

So charles is definetly the quickest player to improve in the UK scene. You could throw likes of z and phil in there as well (behind charles tho, not as direct competition)


Ed

 

[Kone]

Was it sct4 where Z/charles/jake/caleb/ant/ben/stevie/dan/phil made their first appearances properly? when comp/helios/shoe and yuna were around? or was that edster? whatever tournament that was was awesome LOL

 

[Bullet Bill]

Frostbyte imo was also quite a big leaper

Ed- No. For both me and Ant, our first was EDster. BBs first was SCT4

 

[Kone]

Yeah i agree with frost aswell. I dont think BB made sct4 to be honest, maybe edster is what im on aboot ^_^

 

[Cpt.Zeppo]

SCT-4 was my first tournament as well as Charles, Phil, Stevie, Dan, Jake and Caleb(who arrived late to only play crews) and BB's! Remember he got lost on the train??

 

[Kone]

Nah dont remember the BB stuff lol but yeah sct4 was a good tournament. International crews were amazing ^_^ england still hold a 2-0 lead over scotland chuckle adam did scotland very proud

 

[Fuzzyness]

it wasnt my first tourney, taunton was

 

[Kone]

we are talking national tourneys, taunton doesnt really count, it is like ph lol

 

[Bullet Bill]

we are talking national tourneys, taunton doesnt really count, it is like ph lol

lol can you stop saying it doesn't count when you can almost everyone else (everyone from the north of England lol) flaked. Say it one more time and I'll just say SHS doesn't count cos it was swiss

 

[Kone]

alot more than the north of england flaked and im happy for shs not to count lol

 

[Professor Pro]

Not inclduing relativity and only including skill level I am the fastest person in the UK EVER to get to my amazing level.

 

[Kone]

lol no no no no no no you dont listen and your well annoying pro man lol

 

[Professor Pro]

Prob something to do with me being the amazing smasher I am and advancing so quick.

 

[craiigg]

you all make a good case!

I think you make your own circumstances though and i believe if london is a strong community it is because they have attracted the numbers and dedication and that should be what the rest of us aspire to do if we want to make strong scenes where we are or wherever we go in whatever we do! so gj everybody! you've all contributed to what we have atm now let's keep getting better, and help each other and be friends to each other, London improving is good for all of us!

 

[Professor Pro]

Thank you Craiigg

 

[Kone]

try make a community craig then get back to us......me and paul in particular have tried ( in my own regards very hard) to do what london have. sometimes cicrumstance, resource and geography cant be changed. hence, the whole point in this debate, think you missed the point a tad?!




edit - actually this annoyed me quite a bit. In seven years ive done my up most in so many ways to attract a north east community. Ive held countless tournaments that ive advertised on any website/forum i can. Ive advertised via leafletting in local game shops, community centres, church halls and universities. Ive scrolled through the player database contacting UK players (not just in the north east) and pm'd them to join the active uk community. Any msns I could find I got and spoke/cajoled/charmed/bantered or trash talked people to turn up to tournaments. My house has been available to anyone interested in melee for friendlies or larger events. Ive met quite a handful of north eastern players but many stop playing. Generally they have came along in 1 or 2s over various years. Without having others up here for them to play (if you are starting out and only have on person to play who is much better its hard to maintain interest) people have just given up and lost interest. Ive accessed other gaming communities, joined in on their games, in an attempt to infiltrate melee LOL. Lastly, ive got so many of my own mates into melee which over the years has contributed to the number of players in the UK community..................................................

YET THERE IS STILL NO NORTH EAST COMMUNITY.......ive tryed to make a NE community. Sometimes circumstances are against you and you cant change geography (as a geog teacher I should know quite a bit about this ). Give me london/manchester/birmingham/bristol and id have given you a healthy scene in any of them.




Ed

 

[Bullet Bill]

lol no no no no no no you dont listen and your well annoying pro man lol

hooray for the truth. Mr Pro should do us all a favor and get off the boards for good. All in favor?

 

[craiigg]

that wasn't craig sorry this is jam

yea i know you've worked hard obviously man lol but i still think what i do. i'm not moaning i have nobody to play because i have exactly what i need. craig is enough for me to practice in reading and he is a friend to me and puts me up and we can chill and do what we do. and robby is in brighton if i need practice and again he puts me up and is a good host. can you realistically expect more from smash atm especially when you are becoming so busy ed? that's jus what i think i believe we all have what we need to get where we need to get

 

[J03]

Hard times for the north but im afraid im not in the mood for johns. im trying to start something in the NW again but the NW just doesnt seem interested o_0. its hardly like i can move with uni and my other half being here lol.

on topic, Ed: i think we should go to london early august and hold a northern event late august. ive nothing to do but jobhunt and its badtimes so anything i can do that i enjoy myself is goodtimes. if you can confirm i can book immediately! =D.

London: youve got this ranbat right? ive got noone to **** right? 2+2... its clear me and Ed wanna come down and maybe even bring Jam and craig from what Eds thinking =o. we cant without somewhere to stay... you have something like 40-50 players and your telling me none of you can let us stay at yours??? at least pluck up the courage to ask dear old ma and pa, please if not for me, then for the J 0 3

P.S. i can teach yall things youve never thought possible, charles and pro and both amazing spacing and technical players, im pretty ****ed good at being smart and last i heard smash is all about the mix.

 

[Kone]

Hmm i dont know where or what your following comment comes from or means; "can you realistically expect more from smash atm especially when you are becoming so busy ed?". What am I expecting from smash =s? im not instigating or indicating that we need to rebuild the current community, far from it. Me and paul were arguing in regards to the london:rest of the UK divide. To put it bluntly we were saying that they have it a lot easier to get better a lot quicker. Which as you say is a good thing, we werent arguing against that. Re-read what we said and our points.

Your comments so far really haven't been along them lines. Im glad you have people to play etc but isn't the issue. Though in that regards I dont which means I dont have what I need lol. If I had one cool person I could chill out with and play smash that'd be pretty cool like you have. Atm ive no reason to play a hobby i enjoy unless at a tournament.

Also, Im not particularly busy atm so pushing pretty hard the smash front as its one of the few times in a year I get to do so, so, why not?

Lastly, after nexy year, my NQT year im going to be pretty easy going in regards to any freetime activities I opt for. Thats as ill be earning a lot, working 9-5 mon-fri hours and having 13 weeks of a year. Ill also no longer have any additional uni work that I still do have in the next academic year.

So maybe then I can ask more from smash?

 

[craiigg]

you can ask for more smash anytime you like!

i read what everybody had to say and i think what seems like me missing the point is me suggesting you guys are missing something, which could be why you have nobody to play.. jus maybe is all! lol

we can argue geography and misfortune and lack of interest or whatever but what i saw was two londoners in the finals of the last uk tourny when the rest of the country was in the other room not playing melee innit lol maybe that's why their scene is strong? i at least think the fact they outlasted everybody and actually brought out their strongest game 3-4 hours after #almost# everybody else had dropped their game for the day is an indication at why london is what it is..

i have been real lucky though i'm jus dropping a couple cents, craig has motivated me in smash probably a lot more than i have him :D word check out whos account this is lol :D

 

[Kone]

After 7 years or 6 dont know which it is I still cant quote so; you said this "i read what everybody had to say and i think what seems like me missing the point is me suggesting you guys are missing something, which could be why you have nobody to play.. jus maybe is all! lol" Im intrigued by what you mean by this? what are we missing?

Your previous two posts didn't really say 'much' dude and weren't really adding to the conversation.However your last post did and Im happy to take any advice or criticism and your last point is very. . . . poignant? I liked it

Conversation on these boards can be very mind numbing. This thread had seen some of the best and most interesting posts in some time. I really would like to keep it up.

So far I have pretty much highlighted valid reasons as to why the rest of the community, outside of london, have fallen behind competitively. One of my main reasons for doing so is my own gripe with my lack of ability to improve. Personally jam jam you have been consitant over the years, unlike myself, in finding the answer to that question.

So..how do I improve now? I want to, but as Ive noted, my geography seriously limits my possbilities to do so? as do other factors such as the busy-ness you noted. So what do i do?

:embarrass

 

[craiigg]

word brother all i meant to say is i don't see any benefit in thinking of all the ways it's difficult to do something, especially if you want to do it. over all these years everybody has developed at different rates and that's due to whatever it is due, so i think, if it is hard to improve then there is no problem. i believe now we are all a close enough community through the old school players that we aren't going to lose touch so i don't believe there is any rush to improve. if you want specific on how to improve in melee we'll talk about it on msn innit. just look at what you have and think how you can improve it.

if you have nobody to play then you can take one technique you want in your game and take the time to learn it. if you don't enjoy sitting alone learning techniques then learn to enjoy it by thinking about the benefit it will bring in taking you deeper in tournies etc.. if you can't learn to enjoy it then learn to be patient and hold out til you have time to play others. just do what you enjoy and you'll improve does that make sense?

 

[Kone]

I really liked that post jam and hopefully can get on msn at some point when you are on and chat about more specific melee stuff. Ill reply properly to what you said later today, im finished work now (leaving) and got stuff to do in next couple of hours or so.

However, if anyone has read this and has any serious comments please add. This can be specifically on how I could improve lol or in generally ways that you have approached melee or are approaching improving in melee atm. Any conversation that could contribute to improving the skill/competitiveness and mindset of the UK.

Id really really like to hear from joe/ben/pro and charles. Joe and ben in that both have made large strides in their games recently. Pro, and you'll love this, as you are one of the quickest players to rise in the uk community. Be nice for you to post intelligently as to what you merit this to? and lastly charles:you have beaten of all challengers since taken doug's crown. Any advice?

Ed ^______^

 

[Professor Pro]

hooray for the truth. Mr Pro should do us all a favor and get off the boards for good. All in favor?

loool Ben getting upset over everything again.

Just like when you were getting upset at SHS1 when swizzy got invited to SDB and you were saying that you don't like SDB cos they think that they are the 'cool club' of UK smash and everyone who is not in it they think isn't cool and something about not liking Kone for organizing it or some moaning like that loool.
And I think it was Cpt Smashie telling you to stop getting annoyed about everything and just relax, just because I wasn't looking at you and playing a game don't think I didn't hear all your complaining lol.

How about you take a week off of smashboards and comeback without trying to jump in a situation and complain lol.

I really liked that post jam and hopefully can get on msn at some point when you are on and chat about more specific melee stuff. Ill reply properly to what you said later today, im finished work now (leaving) and got stuff to do in next couple of hours or so.

However, if anyone has read this and has any serious comments please add. This can be specifically on how I could improve lol or in generally ways that you have approached melee or are approaching improving in melee atm. Any conversation that could contribute to improving the skill/competitiveness and mindset of the UK.

Id really really like to hear from joe/ben/pro and charles. Joe and ben in that both have made large strides in their games recently. Pro, and you'll love this, as you are one of the quickest players to rise in the uk community. Be nice for you to post intelligently as to what you merit this to? and lastly charles:you have beaten of all challengers since taken doug's crown. Any advice?

Ed ^______^

Yeah that sound goods, I would like to put my input to overall improving in situations where you might not have that much opportunity. I'm watching a film atm so I will contribute later.

 

[grayfox]

Pro, and you'll love this, as you are one of the quickest players to rise in the uk community

LOL

I'd say the reasoning for Ben and Joe's improvements is again circumstancial! With Ben getting his own crew going hes got new people to play, different approaches to the game, and motivation, and Joe moved to Manchester into a pretty piping flat.

It's also not just as simple as having someone to play, the attitudes of the people you're playing with change it completely. I think for Ben it was simply that he was playing people new to the scene, that made him approve. Their attitudes to him would be Bens been about a bit, lets give him some respect, we all have something to learn here, and they all did. Pretty good progress for sure. When Ben was playing with the NW squad, now both Ben and Joe can understand this, both of you were somewhat jokes in the community at one point. Not being disrespectful but we all remember when it was a joke that Joe was improving, a long time ago lol, and Ben even just like a week ago! So when you get out of that negative atmosphere (Ben getting his own new, fresh crew, Joe moving to an entirely new city) look what happens.

Circumstance effects motivation too. Jam brings up an excellent point though with everyone else being in the other room as London is in the finals playing, it is again circumstantial as London pushes London forward. Charles should take almost all the credit for this, as he practially runs the scene. But it was also not unusual to see Pro (don't wanna use peoples alias' right now lol but Pro roles off the tongue too good) alongside Charles watching last dragons (Monrone?) games, and shouting "LONDON!!" when I almost get 4 stocked! They push eachother forward with motivation, along with the game.

If the rest of the UK was to improve at a rate, not only would we all have to have people to play, regularly, we'd all have to motivate eachother as well.

On that note of motivation, anyone else surprised Jam is in top 3 once again?! I'm not.

 

[craiigg]

woooot chosen one! ohio baby! POST SEASON... post season!

 

[grayfox]

Rofl. Paul was the same in the mafia days, played more than anyone else in the UK at the time. Robby is upto it right now also.

 

[Kone]

Really good post ryan. Im going to respond to all this in depth and throw my thoughts into improvement but probs wont happen till 2moro. Off to get drunk at my sissys.

Anyway, more people please post with insights!anything about how to improve at smash or techniques/thoughts/overservations/patterns w/e that they use or implement in their game that has been successful.

Lets share ideas here ^_^

Also @ ben sdb comment. I know thats not what may have been said but either way lol.

 

[Professor Pro]

Also @ ben sdb comment. I know thats not what may have been said but either way lol.

Ben did really say that, I might be cocky and all but I don't lie and I am 100% sure he said he doesn't like SDB cos he thinks that they you lot think you are the 'cool club' of smash lol and some other stuff which I am sure if he isn't cowardly (even though it doesn't take that much courage on the internet) he will say and admit if he chooses to lol.

I was just pointing out how he likes to moan and ***** about everything and jump in every situtation possible to jump in, isn't that right ben lol?

 

[craiigg]

sdb is more like a corporate mechanism... i mean more like a global unethical business... i mean more like a slaveshop full of immigrants...... i mean more like a clinic! yea like a health clinic and stuff.... you know?

edit robby's too good!

and what i meant to say about sdb is it's more like a family.... yeaaa and like... a group! like a facebook group or something... or like a nest! like a bird's nest, eg it's full of beautiful music and eggs

has anybody told swizzy the initiation test ?

 

[grayfox]

lol its jsut a group of mates and people who spend time together at the tourneys. Everyone has their cliques in anything, there is no need for the elitist stigma sdb gets, some of which is understandable given how some things have played out in the past, but there's no need lol. Alls good.

 

[Professor Pro]

I didn't mind that Swizzy was in SDB, I thought it was good. Everyone in the smash community gets along but it is pretty obvious that alot of people come from different backgrounds and Me and Last Dragon could clearly see that Swizzy got along with SDB so we thought that was good that he got an invitation for it, Ben just likes complaining and will ask me to come on msn so he can talk about this situation with me later lol.